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What's up farmers?! Your favorite long-winded, detail oriented, tech personality is back. It's been a bit since I've posted; I think since 2016-ish. I hopped on a rocket ship, and holy shit has it been a ride. This place looks a lot different, don't see many of the faces I'm used to active anymore. Kinda surprised I remembered my login, frankly. Anyways, I'm finally in a place that I think I'll be able to do this right this time.

What's the deal?

If you click on the two microgrow links in my signature, you'll see what I'll be starting with. These seeds, a strain I've continued to refer to as "nothing," have effectively been in storage for roughly ten years. The original story about these genetics is here.

Unfortunately, due to some life-changing events at the end of the last run of these, I'm starting back at the F1's of this hybrid. What this means is a huge level of instability in the genetics on top of the seeds being at least a decade old. Out of the roughly 30 I've tried to germinate this year (had a couple start last year but they didn't fair well starting outdoors), I've had two actually germinate, that are moving along now. I have another 12 in a paper towel now, hoping to bump these numbers up a bit.

I am using a Growstar S-600 LED (cheap, good amazon reviews) to start seedlings under, and they get plenty of time out in the sunlight. So far, it's been working out well. I plan on getting at least one more for the space it's in currently. I bought it to start veggie seedlings under, and it's working well for that (over 60 veggie plants in one raised bed at this point).

This season will be an all out attempt to refresh these genetics, and for the first time attempting to generate some F2's, and hopefully stabilize this strain. I'll also be ramping up the indoor a bit as I've just ordered some other seeds as well, and I want to document the full journey of re-immersing myself into this passion. For now, I'll shut up, and leave you with one pic of the duo at their current state. Admire the mutations -- this shit is unstable af.

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-tobh
 
Just a quick update with better pics of what's in the works. These babies aren't liking the low temps and humidity in their area today. Bit of a force compromise; I work from home and won't be able to focus in a 75+ degree room at 40% or more humidity. So, they're not particularly content right now.

Thinking about up potting this weekend, but split if I want to switch to coco with some jack's to get some good, explosive growth for clones or keep on keepin on in soil. The latter would be easier since everything outside is all organic, no-till methods. Decisions are hard sometimes.
 
Stoked that these came in today.

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The other ladies have been up-potted and are getting some fresh air and sunshine. Running out of vertical room for them in the closet under the LED, which caused some light damage to a couple of the fan leaves. So, I'm looking at some tents now and will probably grab another Growstar S-600.

Thinking a Mars 4x4 will be what I grab. just have to clear some area in the garage for it I guess. Gonna have to grab some T5's or something so I can keep on starting seeds inside for the garden if I go with a tent though. Wish I could just throw everything outside, but living in the city across the river from where it's legal to grow for rec complicates things. Still gotta be kinda guerilla about it 🤫

Either way, things are gonna be popping off here pretty soon!
 
Just a quick update with better pics of what's in the works. These babies aren't liking the low temps and humidity in their area today. Bit of a force compromise; I work from home and won't be able to focus in a 75+ degree room at 40% or more humidity. So, they're not particularly content right now.

Thinking about up potting this weekend, but split if I want to switch to coco with some jack's to get some good, explosive growth for clones or keep on keepin on in soil. The latter would be easier since everything outside is all organic, no-till methods. Decisions are hard sometimes.
I think there is something with the soil?Hot or something?I dont think its a mutation,may be when you transplant in lighter soil it will disappear?
 
I think there is something with the soil?Hot or something?I dont think its a mutation,may be when you transplant in lighter soil it will disappear?
These exhibited similar traits years ago when I was in coco. The soil may be a bit hot, though. It is a local-made organic blend that I added some extra blood meal to, so it's possible. They took off quite a bit since I up-potted last week too and were doing ok until the light damage got to em. I'll post pics later, trying not to get too distracted from work haha
 
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Here's the ladies. You can see the light damage the first five finger leaves. Lesson learned, even an $80 LED can be too intense if they get too close. Not really a heat issue, the leaf temp stays around 74F when under the LED, ambient ~77F. Oh well, they'll survive.
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Raised the light from ~15" from the top of the plants to ~26" from the top. We'll see how they respond overnight. Disregard teh painters tape holding up the reflective material. This closet started as a place to do veggie starts. These ladies just have residence for the moment. Looking at 4x4 tents now, will be grabbing a second light as well.

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How can I purchase some of that dragon flame genetics?
His genetics are through a few seed banks, or check his website. just google dragons flame genetics for the website.

Just thought I'd the outdoor activities a bit. Salad for days.....

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Rutabega, some brocolli, and brussel sprouts. Might've spaced things a bit better had I known brussel sprouts spread like this. First time growing em.
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A couple varieties of tomatoes. Gonna be an interesting year for these, overall have four different types and I mixed up the labels when I transplanted them :D so, we're waiting till they fruit to know who's who.
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Spaghetti squash, carrots, dill, opal basil, and pole beans. Gotta zoom in to see the basil starts.
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Disregard the dead watermelon and cantelope. I started this bed, transplanted them in, then we got rain for like five days straight. This soil works great in containers, not so much outside. Overall this bed with have Papaver Somniferum (Pashiwar, Giant Pod), ipomea purpurea (Morning Glory Flying Saucers), watermelon and cantelope. Gonna be real pretty once I get a couple vines in.
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Poppy starts
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Morning glory start. Expecting lots more of these.
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Quick update, threw four of @Dragonsflame's Blackberry Moonshine BX1 beans in a shot glass last night. Woke up, and all four had already popped. Put em in a paper towel to develop their tap roots a bit and will be dropping them in some Sunshine Mix #4 tomorrow.

I also ordered a second Growstar S600 (will be here Saturday) and a 4'x4' tent, which will be here Friday. That means I'll be running ~1200W equivalent in the 4x4, which seems about right for what these lights are capable of.

Have most of the gear I need for the dutch buckets, just need a return pipe and reservoir now. Still need some accessories too, like a pH and EC meter, fans, humidifier, etc. Also need to figure out where I'm going to put the tent haha. Shit's about to go off either way!

Still on the fence for the nutrients I'll do in the dutch buckets. Really like the idea of Jack's but HR Veg+Bloom looks hella good too. Just pricey for what I imagine I'll need to make it through a full run. Given this will be my first foray into recirculating, I'm trying to keep it simple.

I know a handful of people have used sunshine mix #4. I'd rather not feed if I don't have to, and I've got a bunch of blood meal, bone meal, and lime I can amend with. Given it has the mycos, can I just amend as I would standard organic soil and let 'er rip? If I must use liquid feed, I have some fish fertilizer (15-0-0) I can water in with. Just trying to wrap my head around this -- it was a bit of an impulse buy.

Holler at ya boy, let me know what's up!
 
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Holler at ya boy, let me know what's up!
What's up is you are enjoying :-).

I've been looking at the Dragons Flame recently. Guy is Hawaii now with what's getting to be a really nice set up. Nice to hear every thing is starting right for you.
 
What's up is you are enjoying :-).

I've been looking at the Dragons Flame recently. Guy is Hawaii now with what's getting to be a really nice set up. Nice to hear every thing is starting right for you.
Yeah, I've known dude for a while. He's always been solid, and I'm so happy to see him and his thriving in their new home. That spot is gonna be absolutely nuts. Super stoked to see the work he does now.

So, here's an update. Three out of four of the beans are in sunshine mix #4 now, and they're gettin' used to the world. Still waiting on the fourth to throw a tail so I can get it buried too. If it doesn't, I may end up popping a couple of the Love Stash F1's just so we have some variety come harvest time. The nothing's have found themselves exiled to the outdoors for the remainder of the season. Already starting to smell mighty fine, especially on hot days like today was (85F).

I got the tent set up in my office last night; this will not be its permanent location. Too cramped in here with all that square footage taken up. Thinking I'll put it in the garage once my buddy gets his car out of there, but then that leads to a whole other can of worms. May just suck it up and deal for now. The tent is decent quality, but it has some pinhole leaks on a couple of the zippers and seams. Anyone have tips on sealing those up?

The second Growstar S600 came today, along with a quad pack of yoyo's, so they're hung up and daisy chained (it's a feature, so why not use it?!). In my other thread I mentioned I'd picked up some Front-Row AG salts yesterday, along with some hydroton and a few other tidbits. Was gonna get the dutch bucket system set up outside, but I still need a few more parts before that system will be complete and rather be able to do it all at once instead of throwing pieces together as they're acquired. Either way, I'm almost done spending money for the season, or at least on these projects.

I'll shut up now and show some pics. First up are the nothings. They're much happier now that I'm not blasting them under the LED.

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Blackberry Moonshine babies
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I'll shut up now and show some pics. First up are the nothings. They're much happier now that I'm not blasting them under the LED.

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Now that's a cool name for a strain. "The Nothings". I started some Lucky 13 Love Bud and Hawaiian Puff for the current grow. Really big leaves on the Hawaiian.

Nice to hear that you are finding a way.

Stay safe. Lot's of s*** happening now.
 
It's been a minute, been hanging other places and crazy busy with work. Anyways, here's the skinny.

The blackberry moonshine are doing well. I popped four love stash f1's as well, and took a couple clones from the nothings. Everything received their first dose of front row ag ~0.9 EC @ 6.7 pH, fingers crossed the love stash was ready. None of them are showing any signs of deficiency or anything yet, but the growth rates seem a little slower than I'd like. Still working out some other variables in the environment, my kid's humidifier can't get the humidity above 55% with the circular fan I have running. Time to upgrade I guess. Still having some temperature swings, but it is what it is. Will get it dialed in eventually.

Friday I up-potted the nothing outdoors to their five gallon homes. This round I threw a handful of EWC and a couple handfuls of vermiculite per gallon into the sunshine mix. They've responded well so far, and I hit them with 1oz fish fertilizer with 1/2 oz liquid kelp. They're definitely happy about that.

Not trying to grow monsters out there so they'll live in those for the rest of the season. Need to start doing some LST, so I need to get to the store and pick up some butterfly clips so I have something non-destructive to tie down to on the smart pots.

Now for some pics, first up are the nothing's outside. I've done some LST since these were taken.


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Blackberry moonshine out of the tent for a quick photo op

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All the things

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Been a while since I posted up over here, figured I'd drop a quick update. Things have progressed quite a bit, into flower now as of about two weeks ago.

Wound up taking multiple males and throwing em outside, where they've proceeded to get huge for their root zones. Crazy how big plants can get in just five gallon smart pots. Been feeding those just fish fertilizer, kelp extract, and the occasional front row ag blend.

Everything inside has just had a diet of Front Row AG parts A and B. Not doing any pk booster this run just so i can see the baseline on this nute line. Might pick up MOAB for the next round. Probably gonna bump up the regimen a little as I'm getting lower fan leaves yellowing; been feeding at ~1.2 EC, pH drifting between 5.8 and 6.5 depending how OCD I am with the pH buffer.

Inside things have exploded as well. Glad I got those males outside, the Blackberry Moonshines have definitely taken over. Love Stash is a bit smaller, but that's ok. Have two phenos of each, waiting for further into flower to see what's what for sure. Only regret is I wish I'd done better with canopy management. Hate seeing floor in a grow area that should've been hidden by plant matter.

Nothing just bushed out like crazy. Didn't stretch like she used to, but I think it's just due to the age of the seeds. Gonna collect some pollen from the male outside and pollinate the outdoor girl with it to refresh the genetics a bit.

@Dragonsflame tagging you so I'm not sending pics via the IG. Things are getting interesting now!

Anyways, here's some pics. Enjoy!

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Who's who, going counterclockwise from the front right: Love Stash, Blackberry Moonshine, Love Stash, (can barely see) Nothing, Blackberry Moonshine
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Nearest the fan: Nothing. Right: Blackberry Moonshine. Bottom right: Love Stash. Bottom center: Blackberry Moonshine. Left: Love Stash.
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Been a while since I posted up over here, figured I'd drop a quick update. Things have progressed quite a bit, into flower now as of about two weeks ago.

Wound up taking multiple males and throwing em outside, where they've proceeded to get huge for their root zones. Crazy how big plants can get in just five gallon smart pots. Been feeding those just fish fertilizer, kelp extract, and the occasional front row ag blend.

Everything inside has just had a diet of Front Row AG parts A and B. Not doing any pk booster this run just so i can see the baseline on this nute line. Might pick up MOAB for the next round. Probably gonna bump up the regimen a little as I'm getting lower fan leaves yellowing; been feeding at ~1.2 EC, pH drifting between 5.8 and 6.5 depending how OCD I am with the pH buffer.


@Dragonsflame tagging you so I'm not sending pics via the IG. Things are getting interesting now!

Anyways, here's some pics. Enjoy!
Lookin' good ! Give them a while and there will be less floor showing :-).

It may be a while before you hear from Dragonsflame. His post on this site outlines what he's done the last week getting ready for the hurricane/ tropical storm in Hawaii. With any luck it's going beside him, not over top of. The 120 mph winds might be slowing down.
 
Lookin' good ! Give them a while and there will be less floor showing :-).

It may be a while before you hear from Dragonsflame. His post on this site outlines what he's done the last week getting ready for the hurricane/ tropical storm in Hawaii. With any luck it's going beside him, not over top of. The 120 mph winds might be slowing down.
Yeah, I figured as much. He just likes to see updates on his warez, so I tag him occasionally.
 
Been a minute since I updated this thread. It's been hectic, to say the least.

Fast forward a bit to getting close to finishing up the last round. All in all, it was a bit of a let down yield wise. Having been so long, I disregarded canopy control and training, had inadequate lighting for the area, and due to life, wasn't able to keep up with fertigation like I should have. Regardless, some fire was produced, and will carry me and mine over till next harvest.

DFG gear is excellent. It took all the abuse I dished out, and still produced frosty, tasty product with some pretty colors.

I've since moved away from using promix in fabric pots, and now have a two site dutch bucket system set up in a scrog configuration. I've added an additional set of enfun QB boards, and am running a single growstar as well.

I dropped 18 beans, including DFG love stash f2, DFG blackberry moonshine bx1, katsu's xanadu, Tangie 99 (gifted, not sure origin), cali hemp, and box wine. Most males have been culled, and I'm currently running two clones of love stash pheno A (green stem pheno) in the tent.

We're into week two of veg, and starting to see exponential daily growth. 12 gallons in the res, running ~1,000 PPM and hygrozyme. Lights sitting at 75% power for now. Anyways, onto the pictures.

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Blackberry Moonshine BX1
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Love Stash F2
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Veg closet. F&D, 4" rockwool cubes
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Venturi setup to get rid of that damn air pump hum.
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Tent as of Saturday
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Tent earlier today
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I've done a completely worthless job of keeping this updated, but figured I'd share something I find unbelievably exciting. First person to guess each of what the following plants are, PM me for your prize :D

Rules are simple. Must guess both correctly by Latin names. Prize is a secret.

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