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thanks paulycali. well, the runt is a male, which brings the total to 4 males and 2 females....on an interesting note, i would have to say there are two phenos and i have a male and female of both! one shorter, with tight internodal spacing and the other taller, with a more open structure. this could be interesting...will throw up some pics this weekend. oh, by the way....i flipped em a couple days ago!!!