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Today's story @ HuffPo:
"In Ciudad Juarez, investigators said two men found dead Tuesday – one of them decapitated – might have been involved in the birthday party massacre Friday night. A note left with the bodies accused the men of killing women and children"
"Gunmen killed 15 people at a car wash Wednesday in a Mexican Pacific coast state where drug-gang violence has risen this year. It was the third massacre in Mexico in less than a week."
So please, have faith. Do the right thing and feel good about yourself. Vote YES on Prop 19!
YES we cannabis!
Here's what I'm saying (and you're right, it doesn't make sense that we have this law in effect statewide, but we can't have any dispensaries); even with Proposition 215 being in effect for 14 years, we are not afforded all rights or protections of this law because many jurisdictions choose to interpret and enforce the current law only as they see fit."Kid, I keep saying this, but I guess I'll just have to keep saying it--no county is currently compelled to even allow collectives or co-ops, let alone dispensaries. They're outright banned in my county.
http://www.ledger-dispatch.com/news/...w.asp?c=272356
http://www.ledger-dispatch.com/news/...w.asp?c=269009"
seamaiden i read what u said just cuz u keep saying this doesn't mean it makes sense. if they are banning them everywhere then guess what, all the med shit will stay the same. because no one will be able to open a recreational outlet. so the price wont be able to drop. and if u have to put a 50 dollar tax on everything anyway the med stuff will end up being cheaper.
and if they banned a dispensary before this law passed what does that have to do with prop 19? seems even if the law don't pass they can ban whatever they want.
Well the head of the fuckin DEA said 19 would affect 215....so now what?
Educate me.
Did you seriously just claim that marijuana has anything to do with the violence in mexico?
MJ in mexico is the crumbs on the table, nothing more.
Why don't you leave the computer alone for a while and go read up on the world around you you fucking IDIOT.
There were 72 bodies found on a ranch ninety miles south of the Texas border -- obvious victims of a drug cartel massacre. Bullets have been hitting public buildings in El Paso, and the Washington Post is reporting that at least $20 billion a year in cash is being smuggled across the U. S. border each year. What is it going to take to convince the federal government that current drug policies are not working? The fact is that the current drug laws are contributing to an all-out war on our southern border -- all in the name of a modern-day prohibition that is no more logical or realistic than the one we abandoned 75 years ago.
Mexican drug cartels make at least 60 percent of their revenue from selling marijuana in the United States, according to the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.
Selfish. Greedy. Cowardly. Fear mongering. Unable to comprehend. Overdosing. Oh and Women.
Just a shortlist of the insults thrown at the no people. Good, logical arguments all.
The Los Angeles County sheriff, Lee Baca ... said that the initiative was unconstitutional and vowed to continue enforcing FEDERAL marijuana laws, no matter what voters do in November
REALLY! DOES HE NOT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE OF HIS STATE? ARE WE NOT A GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE? MAJORITY RULES MR. BACA.
JUST A REMINDER MR. BACA, YOU WORK FOR US.. NOT YOUR CHOICE!
POWER HUNGRY PEOPLE LIKE HIM SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF OFFICE!
11303. Seizure.
Notwithstanding Sections 11470 and 11479 of this code or any other provision of law, no state or local law enforcement agency or official shall attempt to, threaten to, or in fact seize or destroy any cannabis plant, cannabis seeds, or cannabis that is lawfully cultivated, processed, transported, possessed, possessed for sale, sold, or used in compliance with this act or any local government ordinance, law, or regulation adopted pursuant to this act.
MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.... and the DEA is known for telling the truth when it comes to MJ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Am I drunk or something.. are there actually growers on this forum that believe the propaganda that the DEA shits out of its mouth daily?
fractil "Did you seriously just claim that marijuana has anything to do with the violence in mexico?
Have you completely forgotten the holy trinity of Cocaine, Heroin, and Meth?
MJ in mexico is the crumbs on the table, nothing more. "
WRONG. You need to do your homework![/QUOTE
Alright so school me then. You misspelled my username, but YOU SCHOOL ME OK? Sorry for saying you're an idiot, just saw you are actually Hawaiian so I should have just gone with that as it explains more.
I'm waiting for you to prove how MJ is more lucrative to Mexican cartels than cocaine, heroin or meth. Whenever you're ready.
You too D. Fader where's your facts that MJ is 60% of mexico's drug revenue? Bulky loads of MJ bring in way less cash than the same sized load of powder. You can argue it, just to argue so go ahead but you're wrong.
fractil "Did you seriously just claim that marijuana has anything to do with the violence in mexico?
Have you completely forgotten the holy trinity of Cocaine, Heroin, and Meth?
MJ in mexico is the crumbs on the table, nothing more. "
WRONG. You need to do your homework![/QUOTE
Alright so school me then. You misspelled my username, but YOU SCHOOL ME OK? Sorry for saying you're an idiot, just saw you are actually Hawaiian so I should have just gone with that as it explains more.
I'm waiting for you to prove how MJ is more lucrative to Mexican cartels than cocaine, heroin or meth. Whenever you're ready.
You too D. Fader where's your facts that MJ is 60% of mexico's drug revenue? Bulky loads of MJ bring in way less cash than the same sized load of powder. You can argue it, just to argue so go ahead but you're wrong.
try using google and you will see that MJ is brings in more money for mexican cartels that any other drug, doesnt mean prop 19 is going to put them out of business, criminals usually dont go back to school and become teachers, they find other ways to be criminals
Kid--you posted before I could. EXACTLY! This is one of the problems a lot of people have with 19. Instead of working on 215's problems or coming up with a method to actually ensure that people, or at least patients, have access, 19 doesn't do any of that. Instead, it makes it great for the few that would receive commercial grower licenses from cities like Oakland that already came up with a plan for that.
Maybe things are different in your state, but Californians are NOTORIOUS for not voting for something because it's too much like a previous prop or they just don't understand the need for it. The effects of 19 are complicated and up for debate even among people who believe in MJ, look at this thread alone. If we can't get on the same page, how do you expect the average voter, non-smoker (MJ supporters couldn't pass the legislation alone. It will definitely take a larger pool to pass 19 or any other prop) to understand why they need another one next year to fix 19 when they just passed 19? The chances of another MJ prop passing anytime soon are slim to none. I don't want to live under this crappy prop until the voters understand the need to pass another one that doesn't let the cities and counties decide individually. I'm voting no for many reasons, but largely, why would I vote for a sad echo of legalization that doesn't even ensure people have access?
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