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'just to be clear for those who may not look closely, UC Roots uses hypochlorous acid (HOCl), and bleach uses sodium hypochlorite (NaClO).
CC is a great company and if you own a business you know how hard it is to make a profit and continue growth.
Don't have much experience with UCroots because I run a live res .
Guess I'm stupid and gullible.....what a joke
Cap. Jeeze. For a guy who actually sells an awesome product at a fair price I'm mortified you would even come rhetorically close to defending this profiteering bullshit product.
I get what you guys at OGBiowar are doing. Methinks you have mighty high hopes. Maybe the premier myco providers in this industry?
But in the meantime CCh20 is way past you folks in the fuck-you-i-want-money-profiteering-department, They are trolling for cash with a shitty mineral based nute line that about stacks up to GH's 3-part.
I would love to break down the relative economics as to how cch20 competes - but it is not on quality of product offerings - it is on the backs of stupid, gullible growers.
Um - if I may -
Well then. You don't need 'experience' - you just need chem101.
'just to be clear for those who may not look closely . . . .
Guess I'm stupid and gullible.....what a joke
Bleach in your reservoirs:
0.5ml/gallon at each reservoir change and about a teaspoon per 25 gallons every 2-3 days after that.
Here are all the notes I took on fatmans take regarding using chlorox (bleach) as a disinfectant. Lots of succ farmers essful using bleach as a sterilizer, and running it in low doses throughout the grow.
"Like I said. The MDS said 5 to 10% Sodium Hypochlorite. Maybe I just got the bad luck of their worse posted MSDS. The calculations are based upon your saying 5.75%. And I calculated based upon 5.75% sodium hypochlorite as chlorox bleach is made with sodium hypochlorite. The calculations merely show that if it is 5.75% sodium chlorite then only 3.9% is actually available as chlorine. I can go to probably 10 differnt sites and be told 10 different amounts in various term as to how much chlorine is in house hold Chlorox Bleach. What I see most often is the number 5.25% on sites that say how to mix chlorox for restaurant surface disinfection. Honestly I don't think Chlorox runs a tight control on the chlorine content of most of their products. As long as they provide the minimum of what they advertise they just plug away with mixing and bottling their at least 50 different products containing sodium hypochlorite. Considering that the caactual material cost of producing their products is their smallest expense I do not think they care a lot.
The ppm concentration is 39675 ppm if the Chlorox was 5.75% sodium hypochlorite. If it was 5.75% aviailble Chlorine then it is 57500 ppm. You want 1 ppm.
That means the Chlorox straight from the bottle will treat either 39675 gallons or 57500 gallons. There are 3785 ml to a gallon. So a ml from the bottle will treat either: (39675/3785) = 10.48 gallons or (57500/3785)= 15.19 gallons As 2 ppm is the maximum allowed residual level of chlorine and the residual is how much is left over after all organics are oxidized that means those water treatment plants started out with adding about 4 ppm. Yes there are that much crap still in our water after water treatment plants are through with it. When who look at a treatment report and it gives a list of things like Bromodichloromethane, Chlorodibromomethane, Chloroform, and Trihalonethanes the ose are all compounds formed by chlorine oxidizing organic compounds in the water.
Many people have used chlororinated tap water on their plants for decades without killing their plants. Chlorine harm to plants iis grossly exaggerated. The commercial green house industry has been using chlorine at the residual 0.5 ppm to 1 ppm rate for decades with the food they grow that we eat. Obviously it is not killing the plants or us. They inject chlorine by auto control to keep the residual level between 0.5 ppm and 1 ppm continously. they do not wait for a problem to arrive first, the use those levels as a preventative against Pythh. So whether 10.48 or 15.19 is the proper number does not matter much as Pythh is easily killed by chlorine at levels as low as 0.2 ppm at tempertures of 75 degrees F. It is even more effective at higher temps but the chlorine out gasses quicker as the temperture increases so it must be added more often.
Personally I would use the 1 ml per 10 gallon number. That means a teaspoon of chlorox straight from the bottle is good for 50 gallons of nutrient water.
The use of bleach is the cheapest aspect of my growing. Thats why I find the cost of retail products sucha s Pythoff so AN ish. Flairform charges something like $10 for a 1 quart bottle of RO water with a few cents of Chlorox added to it sold as Pythoff. Reminds me so much of Advanced Nutrients prices.
I am saying that in reality everyone should shock treat their water with at least a 2 ppm dosage of chlorine before its usage rather than trusting that your water was fully disinfected by the water treatment plant. Water treatment plants disinfect with chlorine at levels need to kill the majority of a ceratin type of intestinal bacteria found in animal and human feces (E Coli), not all other bacteria's or fungi etc. Researchers have found that to kill all Pyth it requires a "residual" doasage of at least 2 ppp be maintained for at least 20 or 30 minutes. Water treatment plants are only reqi uired to treat witha chlorine residual dosage of 0.4 ppm for 20 minutes. They typically only ink ject 2 ppm and almost 75 % of that is used up oxidizing organics in the water. This happens immeditattely upon inject. ie your water arrives with some live Pyth in it usually. Low levels of chloro ine will keep it in small numbers unlees your roots start dying due to low DO and then the low levels ofchlorine are not adequate to keep the low levels of Pyth in check beacuse the low levels are readily used up in oxidizing the dead roots. Therefore you should kill all pyth by adding 2 ppm of chloirine or more say 3 ppm 24 hours before using the water. 30 minutes after adding the chlorine use a small pump in the water or an airstone so the remaining Chlorine will dissipate M Now add 0.5 to 1 ppm of chlorine every two days at least. If yo at any time notice dieing brown roots kick in a single doase at 2 pp. and then go back to the 0.5 to 1 ppm doses. Ant newater you add shouldbe treated with chlorine befiore use. Pyth is not harmful to people so waste water treatment palnts do not disinefct at levels needed to kill Pyth. Pyth is about everywhere there is organic matter, it can also be airborne.
If you have a shallow well you likely will need up to 16 to 20 drops per gallon just to kill the pyth in the water. Then you have to oxidize the dead roots and still have enough remaining ck hlot rine left in thw water to be equivalent to 16 drops per gallon. Without a test kit it would be hard to actually judge the amount required. It will sem like a pain in the ass solution but the best results without a test kit would come from drawing into a seperate container the amount of water your reservoir holds and add 16 drops per gallon to the water. Drain your existing reservoir and add water and 16 drops of chlorine per gallon of water. After this water has run through your system for 30 minutes or so. Drain it and replace with the wother clorinated water. Let it run a half an hour or more before adding your nutrients. Every day for two days after that replace half the water with new water that has has 16 drops per gallon of chlorine added. After that add 8 drops per gallon every other day"
I ghess my questions to cap are invisible:photogenic:, anyone know an alternative to ogbio as I will no longer purchase his products, and go back to my corporate benis for the time being :cigar: What I got will last till the sun comes out then I will need a crap load:cool:
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