[GrandmaGanja]

Hey. Thanks for the reply.

Yes. As I understand, the device does create heat. To mitigate that, I would run the sonicator intermittently. Also, the solution would be at sub-zero during the process. So that will mitigate some heat as well.

I have also considered an ultrasonic cleaner. The vessel containing the solution would be placed in the machine. Cheaper. But I dont know if it would be as effective or efficient.

I'm looking diligently for sonicators and they are hard to come by. I can find plenty that max out at 50ml, which is too small to do anything worthwhile. I can get an ultrasonic bath no problem for cheap, but have the same fear as you. Is it effective and efficient? Is it even worth getting?

 

[jadins_journey]

I'm looking diligently for sonicators and they are hard to come by. I can find plenty that max out at 50ml, which is too small to do anything worthwhile. I can get an ultrasonic bath no problem for cheap, but have the same fear as you. Is it effective and efficient? Is it even worth getting?

Interesting thread. I’ve long thought about the jewelry cleaner but its size ended that quest and I hadn’t looked further. The cleaner from Harbor Freight just might work well for me.

I’m setting here burning some RSO and thinking about starting another batch, some form of agitation will be added to the process for sure

 

[Tincandtoke]

I'm looking diligently for sonicators and they are hard to come by. I can find plenty that max out at 50ml, which is too small to do anything worthwhile. I can get an ultrasonic bath no problem for cheap, but have the same fear as you. Is it effective and efficient? Is it even worth getting?

The tech is getting more home friendly

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ousialabs.com

Hard to say if prices are going to go up or down making the decision to purchase nearly impossible
And its not just the price but the reliability and efficiency that are unknowns at this time

My point is that we are at a crossroads where commercial and homemade cannabis products can be indistinguishable
And the manufacturers are taking notice
Ousia labs sells to large and small operations as well as a counter top version for home

Essential oils and the cosmetics industry have lots of good info on extraction and emulsion
You can pull bits and pieces to help polish your DIY

My dilemma, besides extraction, is emulsion
I want to do nano emulsion to see if onset is as fast as the industry claims
That's where the sonication comes in to play
Not sure if I want to spend a $1000(US) or more just to try it on a simple syrup with gums and have it seize up
Expensive one time lesson

 

[GrandmaGanja]

My dilemma, besides extraction, is emulsion
I want to do nano emulsion to see if onset is as fast as the industry claims
That's where the sonication comes in to play
Not sure if I want to spend a $1000(US) or more just to try it on a simple syrup with gums and have it seize up
Expensive one time lesson

Not sure where you live, but if you live in or near a biotech city check out the auctions. Labs are always going out of business and stuff is sold for pennies on the dollar. I’m watching a few sonicators right now, but they always have ultrasonic baths. High end, lab grade, rates for tens of thousands of hours, cost a few thou brand new, go for less than $100. An auction I’m watching just had a VWR go for $30. That would significantly lighten the cost for the experiment. Then you’d have an ultrasonic bath, and I feel like that would be one of those things that every few years would come in outrageously handy once, and then again in a few more years.

www.ssllc.com if you live in New England. Got a lot of high end lab ware for cheap.

 

[Tincandtoke]

Not sure where you live, but if you live in or near a biotech city check out the auctions. Labs are always going out of business and stuff is sold for pennies on the dollar. I’m watching a few sonicators right now, but they always have ultrasonic baths. High end, lab grade, rates for tens of thousands of hours, cost a few thou brand new, go for less than $100. An auction I’m watching just had a VWR go for $30. That would significantly lighten the cost for the experiment. Then you’d have an ultrasonic bath, and I feel like that would be one of those things that every few years would come in outrageously handy once, and then again in a few more years.

www.ssllc.com if you live in New England. Got a lot of high end lab ware for cheap.

I'm in Boston
I'll check out the site
The site I started on was not into the tech so not much interest

 

[GrandmaGanja]

I'm in Boston
I'll check out the site
The site I started on was not into the tech so not much interest

I'm also in Boston. Let me know if you end up grabbing anything.

 

[Tincandtoke]

Need a few pieces for a lab still as well as the sonication equipment

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If you are bored, think it's on Saturday
They have them several times a year

The CO2 extraction device has my interest
Make a lot of syrup, oil and topical creams
The taste of a heated extraction is not for me

 

[GrandmaGanja]

Hell yeah man, that sounds cool! Maine isn’t so far.

I need a few pieces too, chasing a sonicator right now.

 

[cronicoldguy]

A proper sonicator such as the Hielscher UP400St cant be had for less than $3000CAD......USED! Hell, one on ebay is going for $9,999.00-USED.
Can anyone point me towards something affordable?

So here is what I am thinking of. Please chime in and tell me what you guys think.

Before you all say "NO DONT DO IT!", I am well aware of the fire/explosion hazard. This would be performed outdoors in sub-zero temps.

Anyway I would use an utrasonic cleaner such as this one:
VEVOR Ultrasonic Cleaner with Digital Timer & Heater

- Batch sizes would be 0.5LB-1.0LB
- Flower in cheesecloth bag placed in basket inside
- Fill with solvent and soak/extract with ultrasonic effect
- Drain and repeat as desired.
- Heating would not be used.

Would this machine even be powerful enough to work?

There are commercial explosion-proof machines for cleaning. But expensive.

 

[Tincandtoke]

Was going to inquire about using olive oil or mct oil for the extraction. Not sure how well olive oil stands up in outside temps

Discussed using a jewelry cleaner and different solvents on another site some years ago but most info warned of the hazards, even without heat. Neither of us had much chemistry knowledge so it was dumb and dumber trying to piece together the info to see if the risk was worth it. Your outside idea is a good one, with decent containment.

Have you ever considered probe sonication

Was looking at one for nano emulsion for infused simple syrup but saw it may be able to do extractions giving it more reason to buy

Among edible oils, olive oil is excellent to effectively retain the terpene fraction of Cannabis upon heating [18]. The extraction process in olive oil can be based on maceration and ultrasonic assisted extraction (UAE). The latter is gaining increasing attention as an alternative since UAE is efficient in terms of time and final yield [19,20]. UAE is suggested to overcome some drawbacks of other extraction techniques. The effect of cavitation energy leads to the destruction of plant cells and, thus, improves the release of intracellular substances in the solvent [21]. UAE can be carried out using two types of ultrasound equipment: (a) an ultrasonic water bath, or (b) an ultrasonic probe system fitted to horn transducers, the sonotrode. This is reported to be an efficient extraction technique because the direct contact with the sample allows the development of a power up to 100 times more than that provided in the ultrasonic bath, which leads to shorter extraction times when compared to the ultrasonic bath [22]. As ultrasound-catalyzed reactions and degradation of the extracted molecules due to free radicals formed in the extraction solvent may occur, an extensive study of extraction parameters (i.e., temperature, the dielectric constant of the solvent, power, intensity, frequency and the time of application of the ultrasounds) is required [23,24,25,26] and also in the function of the equipment used [16,27]. In the case of extraction of cannabinoids, previously reported results obtained using UAE were performed only using an ultrasonic bath [27,28,29,30].

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9785504/ for the whole research paper

Interested in your work
Good luck