Wanna become a millionaire?

[Cat Jockey]

I almost jumped in head first like CJ is talking about doing, but goddamn be careful if you decide to do so.

Talking about? Fuck, I am flying through the air head first, still looking for a landing spot that looks safe. I'm in it to win it.

Security is on my brain fofuckin' sure. No way to hide a grow location from bad guys if they wanna knwo where it is. No way to get into the building unless the stick a gun in a growers face, and on and on. Grows in inudustrial zones where building entrances are hidden from the street. super low traffic. Blocks of nothing but grows and know one around to call 911.

There is the story of two guys in the woods that come across a bear. When one guy sees the other bending over and tightening his shoelaces he says,

"Are ya fuckin' daffy? You can't outrun that bear."

The other guy replied:

"I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you. See, ya, wouldn't wanna be ya."

I make sure that I don't appear to be an easy target.

I am more worried about the average criminal then mafia at this point. The State is checking where current disp. got there invetment money. They want books and they are looking for the sketchy mafia shit.

I bet no small amount of apps are going to be denied because of shitty book keeping.

Mafia won't be able to hide in this system for long. This isn't a dry cleaning store. Those guys don't turn over POS systems and their books to the State every year for close scrutiny. If you launder money in this system or any other sketchy bullshit, you will get caught.

 

[sky high]

LOL...I bought a chamber pipe and 2 - $40 ounces of Columbian Gold right off a stand @ the Fisherman's Wharf in 1976 when I was 18..... so your stories about Oakland aren't all that surprising.

but as open as it is in one place in CA...they are poppin people in other places. Look at the dispensary gig in LA. Who is carrying out those raids @ this point in time? I read the DEA. Maybe I read it wrong?

A few folks getting away with murder doesn't make it legal and doesn't blanket everyone with protection. Until I see the laws change I'm gonna believe that anything can happen over believing that nothing will happen.

be safe, bro

s h

 

[true grit]

I'm not trying to surprise folks with stories of being able to openly buy pot, I'm trying to say I was able to walk into a legitimate business, not a stand, that follows all guidelines and operates correctly and free and clear in todays political climate. Oakland is on another level than ol hollywood. Oakland is comparable to what we are doing here now, LA is comparable to how its been for the last year of so called "out of control"...

And the dispensaries gettin busted in LA are ones that tried to blow it up like we refer to here. Many did not get appropriate shit (paperwork) done in time, many had shady businesses, yada yada...and notice just like every other dispensary raid they don't arrest- just seize shit. Way different than what we are talking about here. There may be good folks gettin screwed with out there, but I've heard its a paperwork/legality/moratorium issue. Then when you choose to operate illegally with a proper business plan available- you get dumped on. It's still complete bullshit though imo.

CJ- I love your openness and honesty. Get down brother and best of luck to you. :passingjoint:

 

[sky high]

I agree that what is going on is complete bullshit (on both sides, IMO). Time will tell if the model will stand overall and folks will happily pony up for high-priced weed as this quasi- "legality" is established. After all...the illegality of the product is what made it command such a high price. Now, under the dispensary model, folks are still paying high prices (aka paying the store's rent/taxes/wages/etc/) when there's a glut of pot on the market and more to come?

I'm hopin the patient-to-patient networking comes back full force in response to the monopoly that is quickly taking ahold of the market. The patients will always be able to undercut the dispensaries on price and as many have pointed out....will have the BEST product to offer. Folks are gonna figure this out soon....IMO.

maybe. LOL.

s h

 

[Cat Jockey]

About the 75 g's the disp. owes. That dispensary is fucked. Not because of the mafia but because of the State. The state wnats to know the source of the 75 g's.

Lisc. DENIED.

Thanks for playing.

12 months personal bank statements
6 months credit card statements
2 years of income tax returns

Every other little fuckin' thing you own or owe on. Trusts, stocks, mortgages, etc.

Very risky if you ask me. I agree that if you pay your taxes and keep yourself 100% legit that it shouldn't be an issue, but I have a feeling the fed will not be so lenient and accepting of the industry in a couple of years.

There is a tipping point dude. New York is watching how this plays out here in CO as far as the business model. Too many states need too much money because they are fucking bankrupt. The eastern seaboard is starting to get it.

The electoral votes are stored in california and the eastern seaboard. That is a lot to put at stake to bust a few business and a lot of local and state governments that will actively defend their windfall taxes and fees from the industry. If you are following state rules, I feel pretty safe from the feds. Every aspect of our business including my background is open to State scrutiny and inspection. That will back the feds off of me and onto guys like you - guys growing dope out of their houses, selling a good portion on the black market and claiming none of it in taxes. :tongue0011:

Not us legitimate business men following the rules to a tee and paying taxes.

 

[Cat Jockey]

CJ- I love your openness and honesty. Get down brother and best of luck to you.

Just walking around the world being me, man, even on da net.

 

[rockymtnbuds]

A friend was offering top put up the money for me to open a dispensary but the deal is his name can not be listed anywhere. He has a Top Secret security clearance and can't take the chance.
We just got done looking over the application form and its insane! This is almost the same form required for casino applications. The financial disclosure makes it impossible for a silent partner to finance a dispensary. They want bank statements and credit card statements going back 3 years. You must pass a CBI and FBI background check, etc etc.
I'm going to bet a hell of a lot of people are never going to pass muster on all these checks. Look for a lot of dispensaries to be closing their doors real soon.
SH you can expect to see things revert to the way they were real soon. With shops being required to grow 70% of their own meds you can expect to see big shortages in these places real soon. Caregivers are about to become as valuable as gold!

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

Not us legitimate business men following the rules to a tee and paying taxes.

It will be a legitimate business once the schedule changes. Until then, it's still an illegitimate business risk. Feds don't mess with small potatoes unless they are trying to make an example of someone. Feds go for the money pot. you won't find me advertising MMJ in the yellow pages. It's nice to remain anonymous. I pay my MMJ taxes (holistic healing) so I can use my money.

 

[sky high]

LOL, Rocky. Glad you didn't go over to the Dark Side...

sounds like it's time to wallpaper the shitter with that application form and get back to growing that dankage, my friend! If the dispensaries can loophole themselves into existence the patients can do the same thing with P-to-P sales! I mean....I've never been formally notified as a patient that Amendment 20 is null and void...have you?

Maybe it will come with my license? Yeah...that's probably it. Until then...

may this farce be with you!

s h

 

[bdawgburner]

Ok sorry if this has been answered, but I'm a little confused as to how the new laws will affect the people who only want to be a caregiver for 5 or less people. My very good friend just moved to Vail and wants me to move out there to supply him and his couple friends. My question is would I need to have my card and be signed up as their caregiver by the 1st? Or do the new laws only pertain to those who want to go big?

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

bdawg, it only applies to commercial business. If you live in a county or area that bans MMJ enterprise commercially, you can apply to care for more than 5 patients and you most likely won't be denied.

you can still make patient to patient sales, but you're "not supposed to profit" whatever that means.

this brings up a good point. If every broke county wants to make money on MMJ, then why don't we see more of an acceptance of MMJ? How many places in CO are actually accepting of marijuana enterprise? I know of more bans than acceptance. you're looking at a small and saturated market in places that accept commercial MMJ. Look at Logan county, that place is broke as you can get and shooting down commercial MMJ enterprise. Not every broke place in the USA wants to see big ass weed leaves and elf bitches. If the commercial scene wasn't made up of 90% degenerate assholes then I might feel different. Look at the caviar thread that just popped up. If you have to soak your herb in extract to make it potent enough to get people high then you're ghetto rigging the fact you can't grow good herb. Hippy crack. Nothing medical about that shit and look at who's defending its $1,400 an oz "awesomeness". You know what's $60 a gram as well? Coke. Fucking barf. I'll be easy on you. Show me a dispensary that has a 12 week sativa that was actually grown for 12 weeks. There you'll find my 10%, the people who aren't degenerate assholes in this scene.

 

[pikes peak 69]

As a Caregiver the different dates don't really effect you. You can get a card and become up to 5 other patients cg at anytime. The new law sets dates for Disp, grow operations and edible producers. There are parts of the new laws that effect patients and cg but they don't stop you fom becoming one or the other.

Here's a link to State home page on MMJ. Look through it and you'll see links to new laws read them and become informed.



Also Depart of Rev site.


Good Luck,
pp69

Ok sorry if this has been answered, but I'm a little confused as to how the new laws will affect the people who only want to be a caregiver for 5 or less people. My very good friend just moved to Vail and wants me to move out there to supply him and his couple friends. My question is would I need to have my card and be signed up as their caregiver by the 1st? Or do the new laws only pertain to those who want to go big?

 

[bdawgburner]

Thanks guys!

 

[sky high]

Get here soon so you can enjoy a bit of summer, bdawg.

s h

 

[Cat Jockey]

It will be a legitimate business once the schedule changes. Until then, it's still an illegitimate business risk.

It is becoming an even more substantial political risk. It is not just California anymore dude. Not only that, Colorado just did something Cali hasn't. State wide regs. Books under constant scrutiny.

States and local muncipalities are broke dude. More states going med and watching, not Cali, but good 'ol Rocky Mountain Mudder Fuckin' high dude.

That is NOT a small thing if New york copies our dispensary model. It is the final nail in the security from the feds of dispensary owners following state laws and regs.

Say bye, bye to DEA busts for legitimate grows, regardless of the Legislative schedule. The Executive Branch, will ignore the Legislative Branch so as not to lose Electoral College votes.

I'm going to bet a hell of a lot of people are never going to pass muster on all these checks. Look for a lot of dispensaries to be closing their doors real soon.

You get it. The Russkies are fucked. Done. That is one good thing. You think those guys are keeping accurate books? Residents for 2 years?

I printed out that app and whole bunch 'o mother fucking fuckers came out. Infuckingsane. Should be able to get the nod though. I ain't quite squeaky clean, but lawyer tells me I got nothing to worry about. Always have a couple back up plans though, and don't need disp. owner approval to do what I need to do, legally.

But you know what? A lot of the state guys aren't that bad, if you follow the rules, you are cool. If you have been a dumbass with you disp. books up to this point, you are fucked.

That is probably a dbl digit % number of disp I would guess to be denied for books alone.

 

[Cat Jockey]

Any one who signs paperwork and submits to an investigation is one trusting individual. And you are trusting the same people who make a living off your misery.

If you have sketch shit, like tax evasion, a fat bank account and cooked books, yea. Look the fuck out.

They don't want disp miserable ... they want their doors open at this point. This shit is in the hands of the Dept of Revune. Da tax man.

Da tax man no likey unemployed tax payers. They are cleaning out the riff raff, but if you pass muster, I gaurantee you will not be made miserable. If these people, the bureaucrat inspectors and regulators, go around making everyone miserable and out of the market, they are out on the street looking for a new job. They now need dispensaries.

Jobs have been created. Government jobs. Those don't go away. Neither will dispensaries. The State will make a hell of an uproar as well if the feds come in now, for now the State Government has to lay people off if the feds come in.

The tide is turning ...

A few more years and Sweet Lady Jane will be recreationally leagal in several States and ignored by the Executive Branch, regardless of what Congress does.

Budgets have been granted and those aren't handed back - ever. The Dept of Revenue will not come down on people following the rules after this intial anal exam.

I got the fuckin' balls. I am a solider in the WOD ladies. If that tour of duty requires a State anal exam, so be it, I'm there, not cowering in a shadowy basement, hovering over a couple thowies and 36 plants.

No offense basements growers, I was just on a roll there ...

Front fuckin' lines for Sweet Lady Jane for me ladies, this is a war, and I am going to do everything I can to put as much weed on in the hands of Coloradoans as I can.

And I am going to keep money out of the hands of the drug cartels. And the more people like me there are, the safer the people of Phoenix are from citizens of a foreign nation.

This is a real deal fuckin' war, with real deal risks and casualities.

It's the whole Lorenz attractor thing ... A butterfly flaps its wings in Brazil and there is a hurricane in Florida, or some shit like that. Chaos Theory. One small input can filter through a very, very large system and have a very real and very large effect somewhere else.

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

I wish :) I would actually pay to have a good pure sativa that made my day fly instead of putting me to sleep, I just haven't been able to make a pure one perform indoors. I'm waiting for swerve to release his Jamacian strain :)

If you can find the celestial temple sativa from federation seeds, that was a really really good one. The typical indoor 100% sativa choice is Durban. I've had good results with pure sativas in DWC indoors, some going as long as 16 weeks. feed them just enough to rid off a deficiency and you'll be fine, they like low nutrient levels and medium to high levels of humic acid. They don't like PH below 6.2 (typically) and they need at least 1000w light or you'll get runny airy buds. try the Nigerian from afropips, reeferman's columbian gold, or cannabiogen's destroyer. Seedsman's indian haze too.

 

[rockymtnbuds]

I was discussing this with a pot lawyer yesterday. She said that in her opinion, Dept of Revenue will never issue a single license. I had a little trouble following her line of reasoning, seemed a little convoluted to me. Application form states the application fee is non-refundable so I don't see how the State could accept hundreds of applications and hundreds of thousands of dollars and then not follow through.
I'm amazed that no lawsuits have been filed yet over the wording of the app. By signing this you basically waive all right to privacy. Also, if I'm reading this correctly, the cut off date was actually July 1.
Theres already several dispensaries here in town that have gone up for sale in the past week and I expect to see many more in the coming days.

 

[Cat Jockey]

I was discussing this with a pot lawyer yesterday. She said that in her opinion, Dept of Revenue will never issue a single license

It was Warren Edson who told me about how closely the State of New York was watching how the for profit dispensary model works out here. Forgetting Waren, I think her opinion is way off base. The State is holding classes, going over with disp. owners how to properly fill out the app and shit like that.

She is saying they are going to deny them all and no dispensaries will be in business?

Did you ask her what kind of law she would practice then, when she lost all of her customers?

I don't get it.

I'm amazed that no lawsuits have been filed yet over the wording of the app.

Lawsuits are rolling. One has to do with the moritorium.

 

[AlienBoyD7]

The King he wants to get our gold, The Queen she wants our lands to hold, and The writ Quo Warranto will give us all enough to do. 17-5-17 veg and 5-40-17 flower... nutra culture worked for years.