I count day 1 as the day the pads open. Others wait a week or two or three. IDK why they all want to be different.Hello Farmers,
Longtime lurker, love to read. Now my question: When does veg begin in the timeline frame. I mean you germ your seeds, ie; paper towels, then cups of whatever your medium is, and then the little boogers sprout. OK, now when do you start counting as Veg? I hope I am clear, and thanks for taking the time for a reply.
Bless you all..
PatientOne
Thanks. I've been using my sprayer, and I've draped them with paper towels. I used some saran rap for the first day, but been doing towels since, and lightly spraying a few times daily.Some seeds, especially older, I give a week to 10 days before I start looking.
a sprayer to gently moisten is key to keeping ideal conditions, along with soil temps.
Why 3 nodes? Why not 2 or 4? WTF comes up with this crap?Veg starts if its seedling when it has 3 nodes. Veg stars for clones soon as it gets roots. Thats exactly how they do it usally. Some do it bye how ever they want to...its really up to u. But thats how its normally done...
People always confuse seedling stage with veg stage.Why 3 nodes? Why not 2 or 4? WTF comes up with this crap?
Heres what the scientists sayI agree with Greenthumb here. Those that come up with that "crap" are scientist, biologist, horticulturist. It's a set rule for delineating growth stages across the entire plant kingdom.
I'm not disputing that, my guess would be that the germination phase is actually a sub-unit of the veg stage. I don't know exactly how it's divided for sake of learning, but it's all part of the same stage to some degree.Heres what the scientists say
"The period of growth between germination and flowering is known as the vegetative phase of plant development. During the vegetative phase, plants are busy carrying out photosynthesis and accumulating resources that will be needed for flowering and reproduction."
Germination is what happenes before the plant sprouts. When the plant starts photosynthesis its in the veg stage.I'm not disputing that, my guess would be that the germination phase is actually a sub-unit of the veg stage. I don't know exactly how it's divided for sake of learning, but it's all part of the same stage to some degree.
I suppose we can debate the fine intricacies of plant development. That's not exactly my cup of tea, but it's certainly a fascinating subject. I would argue that germination happens as the plant sprouts, it is one and the same thing. I believe germination encompasses everything form the point where it's dormant, until it becomes a full fledged "sprout"Germination is what happenes before the plant sprouts. When the plant starts photosynthesis its in the veg stage.
I treat mine exactly the same except light intensity. Plant in cocoloco and use plain water first month. Start about 8-10K clf and gradually to15k at day8 and 20k day 15. 75-80f and 40-60rh.Regardless Of when you determine your plant is no longer a seedling, or is ever a seedling
I don’t treat little 1 to 2 week babies, like I do when their established.
food, light, airflow, humidity. Is much different for the girls the first 2 weeks of their life.
seedlings!!
Who decided 7 is the magic number of blades a plant is supposed to have? I grown everything from 5 blades to 13. What about plants that never get 7 blades?I've been working my way through a great scholarly article that mentions this. I'm not a scientist, and probably barely understand much of it, but the plant's needs determine stage. Not the wills and wants of growers. What one person or another considers is not the proper way to approach this. Due to its illegal past, the science stopped and the bro-grow folks swear by this and that. If you want cannabis to lose the "under the dark of night" feeling it has, we need to get out of the habit of "but I've grown a hundred years and always called it so-n-so". There is sound reason to label and delineate the stages. Scientific reasons.
Till they get the internal signal to grow leaves with the right number of lobes (often 7) certain lights cause one thing, but in the next stage may be detrimental. Certain temps, humidity and root development occur in the different stages, we need to be able to say a word, like veg stage, and all accept the scientific definitions, no matter what we like to call it. For instance, if I asked about red and low red and purpose in veg, the set of conditions for after those leaves appear and before are different, and newly being researched in science using the delineations established by science, not what you call it. In Metter GA, we call a large mouth bass a trout, let me tell you, it doesn't work well! (Other things besides light, but that is just one specific they have actually got peer reviewed cannabis studies on.).
I'm all for each person doing any thing that they want, but the problem arises when groups want to discuss something but have to spend the first 20 pages establishing what joe grower wants to name a stage, then the next community uses some other word and, 20 more pages on that. Communication relies on words having meanings, not each person assigning their own meaning. Growers will always be considered just playing around if they don't at least get the words right.
As I said, for many it is 7. But I said it's, the plants normal number of lobesWho decided 7 is the magic number of blades a plant is supposed to have? I grown everything from 5 blades to 13. What about plants that never get 7 blades?
If everyone wants to be on the same page, the only place to start counting that makes sense is from sprout.
So this delineates between sprout/seedling and "true veg", correct? True vegetative growth requires a full set of leaves.As I said, for many it is 7. But I said it's, the plants normal number of lobes
From a scholarly article, discussing the difference some light lengths in seedling stage, have on a plants whole life
...plants grown under canopy shade conditions or in the proximity of other plants show a range of responses to changes in R:FR ratios of ambient light. This response, known as shade avoidance or the near neighbor detection response, is characterized by an acceleration of flowering time (i.e., becoming visible within the expanded floral bud) and rapid elongation of stems and leaves (Halliday et al., 1994; Smith, 1994). Kasperbauer (1988) determined that FR light reflected from neighboring seedlings increased the R:FR ratio plants received, inducing a density-dependent increase in stem length, chloroplast content, chlorophyll a/b ratio, and CO2 fixation rate, along with decreased leaf thickness. In recent years, the effect of FR light (or a low R:FR ratio) has been intensively investigated in different plant species and development stages”
So it specifically delineated seedling from veg, because the markers are established in the seedling phase for the rest of its life. Then, when it actually reaches the veg state, those same conditions are detrimental. So, huge difference in veg and seedling, and people can read it and know the definition of each stage and LEARN.
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