no, we have muddle genetics most breeders bread for c5 genes it's genetic and can be breed to be c3 if you find genes. Because our profit side has historically been the former not latter to sales. Is nothing that unlocks it growing more but pheno hunting and proper breeding technique to up the quality of that trait.
Half the people here won't even know what you're talking about. But you ain't getting the secret thcv genetics. Truly the good pheno hunters, They are hoarded as the next big wave by cultivators. I do have low C3 strains that show some propyl traits in genetics. I have a coffee can full of thcv marked ones I do nothing with. But you're going to have to pheno hunt and do a bunch of testing to find the ones worth isolating. It's not a matter of simply finding landrace strains. it's going to take mass testing and pheno hunting specifically to cultivate and breed/stabilize a thcv strain. Honestly, some strains if you look at consumer reports and their testing is many that can't even achieves the genetic potential of thcv marketed strains.
Look at Durban poison supposed to be great everyone still grows and harvests it and propagates the lineage for c5 genes not c3.
maybe it helps to share see some of the genetic info?
https://www.researchgate.net/public...nnabinoid_ratio_completion_of_a_genetic_model
But if they were able to achieve pc3 up to 96% mean you can easily try to isolate the trait.
Because I don't think you will find a commercial strain that has been stabilized for this...
YET. because profit-wise you could sell something stabilized for a million or better with THCV.
There is nothing special about Vidalia onions it's growing onions with no sulfur. We just live in a corporatized world where we can say "true Vidalia onions only come from Vidalia Georgia" and people think it's science. Not because of greed where we have a law that says only 20 counties can be officially Vidalias under the "
Vidalia Onion Act of 1986" That's not science it's a marketing gimmick.
All I grow is sativas for my genetics and you will get the rare one that shows the trait at least you will think so in effect. Could be a completely pseudo effect. But honestly, I have way too much integrity to jump on this bandwagon with THCV as a personal breeder searching when its 10000% going to be used for the next cannabis marketing gimmick. Mostly I won't bother because money is an object and I don't have enough for a thcv pheno hunt. If you arent one of the people who has been nurturing this curve with strains for several years already we will have to wait for the market offering.
Because I know most breeders' purpose with THCV I'm 100% out. Cannabis has enough gimmicks. I've heard money people say from the sales side about waiting for CBD to peak and then push THCV. You are seeing more dispensaries push this.
but to your point and the medical side of those on the quest. the questions, you bring up. Yes, there is underground networks. Yes, you can ask breeders to help you cue for phenos before they discard. Like everything in bud though is no magical gathering place. It's simply making the connections of breeders pheno hunting. By our nature as breeders and growers, we live in the shadows and many people should embrace this whether legal or not for safety far greater than just the legal ramifications. But good luck finding those breeders directly or at the home grower level when most of them with the resources to be effective believe THCV going to be the new CBD on getting them to give up anything that might be a prized thcv genetic. there are people out there spending millions on this hunt. The best people tend to have layers between their work and the public. you will see their work through some brand or distributor/dispensary never seeing the magic person making it happen. Most breeders work outside the law even when they work within the law in most places. Because the laws don't come close to the numbers that you truly need to do for good breeding for genetic collection. Im not talking about the people who pump out seeds and call them genetics. But true genetic pheno hunters. That try to plant 1000 at a time or so per year.
I had this discussion with a friend and the problem to true thcv genetic collection and isolation is how much testing it takes and its a trait you can only truly mark at the finished product. You cant tell 2 weeks into flower if its going to be good/great value you're looking for like other pheno traits. Takes lots of lab equipment. Most of the bud to be wasted so it takes someone with resources to waste on the profits they can accumulate by finding that true strain. Even if you think you found a visual trait to cue it can be a false positive. So it takes people with the financial resources to commit to that level of hunting. Which can easily hit a 100k-500k cost when it's all said and done at the minimum mark having to use 3rd party labs and such before you found something you isolated you could call new(with integrity, plenty of breeders will claim it's new).
Honestly, I believe with all my soul that a true THCV strain will not ever come from a seed and will be a prized clone. Because many people I have discussed in their work and from what I've gathered from others. You can have an amazing one and it just doesn't stabilize to the offspring. without still being that random one. It's not to say it won't happen over time. But our time focused on C5 has hidden our ability to go for c3 and we have to wait for the probability of genetic rates to come into play with time to unlock them again.
In my opinion. This is a very complex issue because of that reason alone. durban poison tends to be proof of that. Honestly, most strains you see with high THCV are going to be muddle pheno isolations of something like that or some afghani strains possibly. I would start with landrace and go with pure Sativa but something that isn't popularly isolated for the c5 vs c3. this is why you see places selling thcv they say "strain has achieved up to 1% THCV" or whatever it is. Because odds are that one in the jar you want to buy a gram of didn't have any or minimal and not enough to be an agnostic without mass consumption.
THCV is very complex to discuss as a breeder on an open forum even if we discuss THCv research because of those implications right now and trends in the industry. it really opens oneself up to be identified by others in the industry if they don't want to be. The only people I imagine that would truly discuss thcv genetics right now are people not trying to do it
YET! Because we are talking potentially millions in exclusivity distribution through legal channels. Most wont share this information.
But 100% the unlock is in random genetic material propagation.
I'm not saying any of this as a negative. I'm just giving my thoughts into the idea about your concept of "cracking the code" or "why isn't it readily available". Is lots more to it. So no one takes any of this as me attacking anything. I'm just discussing the concept of greed in relation to THCV and genetic hoarding. So don't take it negative.
even if you had a thcv strain the best one. You wouldn't find it in seed form without serious $$ for 2-3 years is my belief. Because of the profit side, it will generate through exclusive distribution channels. So that's why you don't see people rushing to give you their stock on this or truly "potential stock".
Edit: I'm not 100% calling it greed. if someone spends 2 million on trying to isolate thcv strain to offer it to people for their medicine and it costs 4x as much to grow that strain to offer it to others over another then they fully deserve to be compensated for their contribution to society. But many people don't seek fair rewarding compensation they seek fortunes.