I am a first time indoor grower, only ordered seeds once. White Widow regular. From MSNL I ordered 10 regular ww seeds for around $35, got 5 free big bud seeds. With shipping it was a little over $50.I tried germing 5 of the ww, 0 popped. I tried 3 of the big bud, all 3 popped, which is what I am currently growing, 1 female. I contacted MSNL via e-mail about the 5 not germing and after a few pics of the big bud and basically what I just told yall, they sent me 10 more ww seeds for free. I am in the deep south, growing is not legal here so the stealthy packaging was great. It took me a while to find them. So far, 4 of the 8 replacements have popped. I just picked the company at random, my luck could have been worse.