Winterizing To Purify Rso

Two.Bears · Sep 17, 2016

rmoltis said:
Didn't forget. The poster I was responding to said the chlorophyll upsets their stomach.

It sounds like this person is more interested in eating it.

I think clorophyll iz only part of the problems. The 84 cannabinoids iz a LOT of complex chemicals to break down.

rmoltis · Sep 17, 2016

Two.Bears said:
I think clorophyll iz only part of the problems. The 84 cannabinoids iz a LOT of complex chemicals to break down.

There ya go.
Now your cooking with fire.

greggboy · Sep 8, 2017

Hi there, this thread is great. I am planning to winterizing my house, heater, pipes and purifier. While discussing with my friend, he suggested me to visit NYC moving company who provides winterizing service. Do you have any suggestions?

Graywolf · Sep 9, 2017

greggboy said:
Hi there, this thread is great. I am planning to winterizing my house, heater, pipes and purifier. While discussing with my friend, he suggested me to visit NYC moving company who provides winterizing service. Do you have any suggestions?

Have you checked Craig's list for home winterizing service?

greggboy · Sep 9, 2017

Hello, I have not checked the Craig's list, but I have decided to go with it.

Two.Bears · Sep 10, 2017

Natural said:
What you want to do is quicker washes with polar solvents. Chlorophyll will upset stomachs.

Absolutely correct. Chlorophyll makes RSO taste horrible. Ò

Two.Bears · Sep 10, 2017

rmoltis said:
Does this mean anytime you eat vegetables like lettuce, celery, kale etc you get an upset stomach? They also have chlorophyll.

I'm just curious about how online it says chlorophyll in weed upsets people stomach. Yet people eat vegetables and plants with chlorophyll all the time.

I think this is just another myth.
I've eaten 40+ fresh cannabis leaves at once full of live fresh chlorophyll and if anything it only made my farts smell like straight up chronic.

And I've got a very sensitive stomach.
I'd like to believe it's another compound in cannabis causing the upset stomach.

(Just my opinion)

Sorry I didn't add anything constructive to this thread

The problem is the amount of chlorophyll. In RSO the chlorophyll us highly concentrated

Arty · Oct 29, 2017

DGP said:
What exactly is filtered out of the alcohol when you do the winterizing step. The process is to put the alcohol solution in the freezer for a day or so and then cold filter through a coffee filter in the freezer keeping it cold the whole time. The stuff that comes out looks really awful. I am just curious if it is mostly chlorphyl or just other plant material that is not needed?

Any suggestions on how to make RSO cleaner?

I currently farm very carefully and am not using any pesticides/fungicides at all. If I need some help with bugs during past grows I have been going to good bugs and then OMRI/KIND rated natural pesticides only when absolutely needed.

Thanks!

DP

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Hey DP!
I recently tried making RSO the other day.
I did a long run (3 Hours) and a short 10min run.
I winterized the long run before filtration and used a 2 micron filter. This step pulls fats lipids that stick together but not chlorophyl. I always prefer to winterize but not neccasary. I was able to reduce some color through media filtration and then use a roto vap to remove the 99 iso

jewsh808 · Oct 30, 2017

Natural said:
Freeze everything (material and alcohol) separately before the wash. Then do a 30 second wash. Put that aside and do a 2nd and 3rd wash and keep them separate. That way you can see when the chlorophyl starts to emerge in the alcohol. Don't shake..stir. Not necessary to winterize.

Decarb the material first? Or no need when doing this freeze method?

Shantdavid · Feb 20, 2018

DGP said:
What exactly is filtered out of the alcohol when you do the winterizing step. The process is to put the alcohol solution in the freezer for a day or so and then cold filter through a coffee filter in the freezer keeping it cold the whole time. The stuff that comes out looks really awful. I am just curious if it is mostly chlorphyl or just other plant material that is not needed?

Any suggestions on how to make RSO cleaner?

I currently farm very carefully and am not using any pesticides/fungicides at all. If I need some help with bugs during past grows I have been going to good bugs and then OMRI/KIND rated natural pesticides only when absolutely needed.

Thanks!

DP

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Leaving the solution in the Sun for 15 minutes will destroy all chlorophyll.

DGP · Feb 20, 2018

I read in a couple of different places that leaving it in the sun can damage some of the beneficial constituents of the oil such as some of the terpenes but IDK, I suppose the trichs with all the good stuff in them see sun all the time (before they are harvested) so I wonder about the accuracy of what I read.

DGP · Feb 20, 2018

One of the reasons I am so interested in the chemicals in the oil (and preserving them) other than just the THC and CBD/CBN is there are literally hundreds of medical studies listed in the NIH library that show terpenes and other phytochemicals have incredible properties for treating illnesses especially cancer. Many of the terpenes that have been studied are exactly the same ones that show up in quality cannabis. According to many of the articles it looks like they may be a key part of why RSO and the ingredients (not just THC and CBD) in cannabis are so promising for cancer and dozens of other diseases. It seems like anytime the researchers isolate and test one of these chemicals alone the results are disappointing but when used together the way they are presented to us in nature seems to be where the magic happens.

D

Graywolf · Feb 21, 2018

rmoltis said:
Does this mean anytime you eat vegetables like lettuce, celery, kale etc you get an upset stomach? They also have chlorophyll.

I'm just curious about how online it says chlorophyll in weed upsets people stomach. Yet people eat vegetables and plants with chlorophyll all the time.

I think this is just another myth.
I've eaten 40+ fresh cannabis leaves at once full of live fresh chlorophyll and if anything it only made my farts smell like straight up chronic.

And I've got a very sensitive stomach.
I'd like to believe it's another compound in cannabis causing the upset stomach.

(Just my opinion)

Sorry I didn't add anything constructive to this thread

The issue is chlorophyll concentration. Look at symptoms of chlorophyll poisoning:

https://www.dovemed.com/healthy-living/first-aid/first-aid-chlorophyll-poisoning/

Graywolf · Feb 21, 2018

DGP said:
What exactly is filtered out of the alcohol when you do the winterizing step. The process is to put the alcohol solution in the freezer for a day or so and then cold filter through a coffee filter in the freezer keeping it cold the whole time. The stuff that comes out looks really awful. I am just curious if it is mostly chlorphyl or just other plant material that is not needed?

Any suggestions on how to make RSO cleaner?

I currently farm very carefully and am not using any pesticides/fungicides at all. If I need some help with bugs during past grows I have been going to good bugs and then OMRI/KIND rated natural pesticides only when absolutely needed.

Thanks!

DP

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Winterizing removes the C-21 through about C-34 plant fatty acids and plant waxes.

The chlorophyll stays in solution and is not removed by the process, though if saturated may leave some behind from the drop in temperature and solubility.

Chlorophyll is polar due to the magnesium ion in its head, so polar solvents like alcohol readily dissolve it and hold it in solution, but the polarity of ethanol drops with temperature as well.

Chlorophyll is not easy to remove without giving up some of the good stuff, so better to avoid extracting it in the first place.

Graywolf · Feb 21, 2018

Simple Alkane extraction, such as propane, butane, pentane, or hexane extract very little chlorophyll unless they are saturated with water, of which they hold very little. Subsequent winterizing with ethanol typically does leave an amber extraction.

ISO or Ethanol on the other hand extract copious quantities of chlorophyll and require fairly extreme measures to separate.

Also, once the polar chlorophyll is deprotonated, it becomes non polar pheophytin, which is olive brown and which doesn't have the same love affair with the alcohol, so may precipitate out of solution along with the fats and waxes.

DGP · Feb 21, 2018

Graywolf said:
Winterizing removes the C-21 through about C-34 plant fatty acids and plant waxes.

The chlorophyll stays in solution and is not removed by the process, though if saturated may leave some behind from the drop in temperature and solubility.

Chlorophyll is polar due to the magnesium ion in its head, so polar solvents like alcohol readily dissolve it and hold it in solution, but the polarity of ethanol drops with temperature as well.

Chlorophyll is not easy to remove without giving up some of the good stuff, so better to avoid extracting it in the first place.

Next time I'll freeze the plant material and ethenol as well. Hopefully that well help. Been studying Chemistry at a big university online and it is super interesting and I am starting to understand the effects of solvents etc.

Good gawd if high school had not killed every subject that I took including chemistry I wonder how much more I could have learned already.

Thanks!

D

Graywolf · Feb 21, 2018

DGP said:
One of the reasons I am so interested in the chemicals in the oil (and preserving them) other than just the THC and CBD/CBN is there are literally hundreds of medical studies listed in the NIH library that show terpenes and other phytochemicals have incredible properties for treating illnesses especially cancer. Many of the terpenes that have been studied are exactly the same ones that show up in quality cannabis. According to many of the articles it looks like they may be a key part of why RSO and the ingredients (not just THC and CBD) in cannabis are so promising for cancer and dozens of other diseases. It seems like anytime the researchers isolate and test one of these chemicals alone the results are disappointing but when used together the way they are presented to us in nature seems to be where the magic happens.

D

Unfortunately the tables don't copy gracefully, and the site is off line, but here is the opening to Sweet Mary's Charms, which provides a link to an article identifying 421 compounds on cannabis, far beyond just terpenes and cannabinoids.

3.8 Sweet Mary's Charms II

A summary of the extensive work done on the paper Constituents of Cannabis Sativa L XVII, A Review of the Natural Constituents, by Turner, Elsohly, and Boeren at the Research Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences, School of Pharmacy,University of Mississippi.

Dr. Fischedick was kind enough to provide me with a copy of a paper done at Old Miss, as part of my research on the THC and CBN cycles. A lengthy tome, which details the 421 compounds they found in Sweet Mary, ranging from our beloved cannabinoids, terpenes, and flavonoids, to alkaloids and Alkane hydrocarbons.

To say that I was blown away, would be an understatement, and puts new meaning to the term "Whole Plant Extract."

ASP Publications can provide the whole article at: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np50008a001

DGP · Feb 21, 2018

So, one reason I have used ethanol is the low toxicity. Isn't hexane and pentane quite toxic. The attraction of using a low toxicity solvent is you don't have to worry about perfect purging.

Lately I have been using extract that was just made with dry ice and a 120 micron bag because it is basically solvent-less.....no worry about fire or purging. Then it is mixed with some coconut oil and an emulsifier such as a tiny amount of lecithin. I have often wondered if this is a better way to make an "RSO like" material with the same benefits and a lot less clorophyll (if it is shaken out carefully).

D

Graywolf · Feb 21, 2018

DGP said:
Next time I'll freeze the plant material and ethenol as well. Hopefully that well help. Been studying Chemistry at a big university online and it is super interesting and I am starting to understand the effects of solvents etc.

Good gawd if high school had not killed every subject that I took including chemistry I wonder how much more I could have learned already.

Thanks!

D

If you lower the temperature of the ethanol to below -50C by dropping dry ice in it, you can soak and agitate the material in it, without picking up much chlorophyll or plant waxes.

Consider that if the protective plant waxes stay in place, that the alcohol has minimal access to the chlorophyll in the plant cells.

DGP · Feb 21, 2018

Graywolf said:
Unfortunately the tables don't copy gracefully, and the site is off line, but here is the opening to Sweet Mary's Charms, which provides a link to an article identifying 421 compounds on cannabis, far beyond just terpenes and cannabinoids.

3.8 Sweet Mary's Charms II

A summary of the extensive work done on the paper Constituents of Cannabis Sativa L XVII, A Review of the Natural Constituents, by Turner, Elsohly, and Boeren at the Research Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences, School of Pharmacy,University of Mississippi.

Dr. Fischedick was kind enough to provide me with a copy of a paper done at Old Miss, as part of my research on the THC and CBN cycles. A lengthy tome, which details the 421 compounds they found in Sweet Mary, ranging from our beloved cannabinoids, terpenes, and flavonoids, to alkaloids and Alkane hydrocarbons.

To say that I was blown away, would be an understatement, and puts new meaning to the term "Whole Plant Extract."

ASP Publications can provide the whole article at: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np50008a001

Very cool. My original motivation in using RSO is that it is the whole plant extract (well probably close). Any benefit nature put in to the combination of chemicals is mostly there then (my hope). It has been very effective for me......lost 70lbs, no longer diabetic, sleep apnea gone, Fibro Myalgia pain completely controlled, migraines reduced and on and on.

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