Y r the Y's Unhappy?

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Without going on a rant: Balance the budget by only spending what the gov't takes in. Quit living above our means. Quit being the world policeman. Quit pumping 85 billion a month into the economy. Hold our gov't accountable by reducing the huge amounts of waste. Make the politicians work for the people not the corporations. The people should be able to inspect what the expect and hold law makers, rather elected or appointed, accountable.


All well and good. The problem is that the average voter isn't informed enough to properly choose among who is most likely to do this.

As it stands now you won't get this solution from either party (or the tea partiers or independents for that matter).

Eventually what's going to happen is the country is going to wise up and elect a majority of total unknowns with no party affiliation to get in there and shake shit up. We actually have a pretty long and storied history of doing exactly this after a long period of disillusionment (and also a fairly good history of going into economic boom shortly thereafter).

All that we are seeing is really a failure of parliamentary process because either party has found its own way to circumvent the rules which are currently in place (which are ultimately meant to force them to WORK TOGETHER).

I disagree that we can stop pumping money into the economy, but I agree with everything else.

The fact is really that if we were to address all of your concerns here, it wouldn't seem so silly to pump money into the economy because we would actually HAVE money to spend. In principle I understand why you say we shouldn't spend what we don't have, but the problem here (in my opinion) is really the fact that most people see it as money that we don't have versus money that we DO have, which is currently being massively misappropriated in other inefficient areas.
 
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All well and good. The problem is that the average voter isn't informed enough to properly choose among who is most likely to do this.

As it stands now you won't get this solution from either party (or the tea partiers or independents for that matter).

Eventually what's going to happen is the country is going to wise up and elect a majority of total unknowns with no party affiliation to get in there and shake shit up. We actually have a pretty long and storied history of doing exactly this after a long period of disillusionment (and also a fairly good history of going into economic boom shortly thereafter).

All that we are seeing is really a failure of parliamentary process because either party has found its own way to circumvent the rules which are currently in place (which are ultimately meant to force them to WORK TOGETHER).

I disagree that we can stop pumping money into the economy, but I agree with everything else.

The fact is really that if we were to address all of your concerns here, it wouldn't seem so silly to pump money into the economy because we would actually HAVE money to spend. In principle I understand why you say we shouldn't spend what we don't have, but the problem here (in my opinion) is really the fact that most people see it as money that we don't have versus money that we DO have, which is currently being massively misappropriated in other inefficient areas.
Wow squig, we agree! Nothing will happen of course as we are such a divided country. I think Obama is to far left....Clinton would not have the country in this position. Compromise.
 
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Too much politics and not enough government.
Million dollars is louder than a million voices, and politicians are being held accountable- to the people who pay for their campaigns. Keeping our head down and maintaining employment isn't enough in our day and it wasn't enough during anyone's day who posts here, clearly, since it is the cumulative inaction of an entire population for the last 50 years that led us here. In that same 50 years overwhelming efforts succeeded in lowering the standard of education and self respect of the average human in America. We don't even have the option of keeping our head down and maintaining employment. Maybe this is the collapse of American capitalism- or the inevitable result of promoting individualism above other ideologies...it makes me laugh that in a capitalist system the people most often placed with blame for the current situation are those with the least capital- without ever considering that the drastic economic disparity in this country is a symptom of its flaws not a reflection of a lazy population. Our wealthy population in America is immature and sociopathic and don't give a fuck about you unless you have more money than they do- and they want you to feel the same about the people around you. And with ever more industrial processes becoming automated- the need for specialized employees is lessening- the need for worker bees is diminishing and the utopian dream of electric cars and fancy Nikola Tesla/Wilhelm Reich inspired technology is right around the corner once all the fat pathetic non producing wastes of energy die of general malnutrition/disease associated with 25 years of the standard American diet. Cancer is now the leading cause of child death in America, in case any here missed it in the news recently. I don't know about apocalypse, but plenty of genocidal processes seem well underway to me.

Without going on a rant: Balance the budget by only spending what the gov't takes in. Quit living above our means. Quit being the world policeman. Quit pumping 85 billion a month into the economy. Hold our gov't accountable by reducing the huge amounts of waste. Make the politicians work for the people not the corporations. The people should be able to inspect what the expect and hold law makers, rather elected or appointed, accountable.
That sounds good but how?

If this government stops acting as world policeman it loses it token to take the massive liberties it has over the last decade- all the way-... Then some of our politicians will have to start facing war crimes tribunals (rightfully so in my mind), so they're gonna keep fighting for that token. Seems to me industrial war and household spending are the only things the American economy has going now, we have been so far out-sourced. No one outside the country cares about American sports - people don't trust American gold, or beef....they dig American porn though, and the general willingness to degrade oneself for an increasingly low amount of money you encounter here.

Basically we are Disneyland with heavy soy and corn production to feed the human and undulate cattle populous.. The corporations run the show- not the government- and people act like they know this yet still call for petitions to the government- which are inherently useless when governments are beholden to corporations.. Didn't anyone catch Jimmy Carter in the news saying there is no functioning democracy in America? I wish I knew what the answer was.. I know not shopping at Walmart is part of it though.

Revolutions only happen when rich people get angry too- and it's never been so easy to be wealthy as it is right now in America. The wealthiest folks in Manhattan (who also make up the a number of the wealthiest Americans) are taxed lower rates than the volunteer fire fighters there.

So food is toxic, water is toxic, air is toxic- simple household items are toxic. Education is taxed outside the realm of possibility for most of the population- as is health care... Entertainments boast only redundant themes and industry all but disappears, right in line with calls for tougher gun possession legislation, and the introduction of biometric ID technology innocuously introduced into the single most popular personal consumer device worldwide ((you really have to give Apple credit for creating the single largest name to fingerprint database in existence, without any nefarious legislation or any real dissent in general)).

... Seems like all the hallmarks of a population control program to me. I'll repeat- Cancer is the leading cause of death of those who die before 18 in America- and of those who survive, 50% will at least develop cancer and undergo treatment in their lifetime. Genocide is just the thing this country needs to trim the fat, worked 500 years ago why not give it another round? But this time it will happen with no fight or false promises of diplomacy. Just an ever increasing amount of sick people paying their last dollars to pharmaceutical and insurance companies.
 
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Good post NP, had to read it twice. Could happen! Probably will, were fucked, but if we could all just work together....but we won't! When it comes down to it, we are a species of war like blood suckers. The rich always have and always will fuck over the poor....even to the point of their own demise.
 
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I guess The Crash of the 1920-30's never happened either.


And unfortunately that one was all to similar to what we have going on in the country now. The stock market is being used as a financial algorithm to essentially skim profits from all of the world's business. It's so much less about liquidity and giving promising firms the money to grow.

It was similar back then. You had financial guys and lawyers working around the margins and sucking money from nowhere.

The stock market aids the economy big time so long as it's doing it's job and not being used like an instrument.

Meanwhile there was this sort of public feeling that income equality had been flushed down the toilet and everyone was getting pretty fed up--and this is really what I was addressing before. It's been shown that we sort of go through these periods of boom and recession and that public opinion tends to sway back and forth in an ordered way according to which one we're in.
 
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I guess in the end we all pretty much agree, we have milked this sucker dry and now it's time to pay. If you can survive you will probably come out better tomorrow than today. Just a matter of how long this economy will hold on.
 
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Right on, Squiggs.

and I could mention other similar (if not identical) situations which happened in other countries. What is it that they say about history :)
 
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Instead of singling out a group of people (Y's) or groups of people (races, gays, etc) why not ask the question, "Why are the majority of ALL people unhappy? I don't know about anyone else but I see people of all ages very unhappy. And the fact that a huge percentage of people take feel-good pharma drugs and/or use "recreational drugs to escape and find happiness is a clear sign that a very large majority of ALL people are very unhappy.
This is the point that must be driven home the most; THE SYSTEM HAS FAILED. PERIOD. In every way possible the system has failed; corruption in local and federal gov. is no longer something done in a rooom with no windows, it's done in the publics faces and the public doesn't care b/c their chasing monopoly money. The school systems are an absolute joke that is becoming so fair beyond repair that demolition looks more and more like the only cure......People need to quit focusing on money and start focusing on whats important; unfortunatly i truely feel the system is on a run-a-way train heading for a cliff and everyone sitting in the kaboose is screaming "faster! faster!". I feel like the only thing that is gonna make people wake up now is for the train to go off the cliff.......and it gets slowly closer every day.
 
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So when is the apocalypse coming, guys? (everyone is so full of....information I figured someone here might know)

Does this mean you don't save for your future/retirement...'cus there isn't gonna be one?

Or if you do, are you stuffing a matress/etc. 'cus you don't trust the "banks"/"federal reserve"/GOVERNMENT???

Jus' wonderin what you think/how you are proceeding if you truly think we are all fucked. What's yer plan? (other than broadcasting that the end is near)


I don't think the end is near. I don't really think we're heading for some sort of revolution around the world (every country is bankrupt, not just USA...finance...sheesh). That would require effort. I think we'll keep going along with short bubbles that bump the economy for awhile and then burst it 3 years later...it's just a matter of which and who will be affected. Medical and water are the next bubbles I'm guessing. We already see how big the bottled water business is. Water's becoming more and more of a commodity and I'm pretty ecstatic about living in Michigan with the world's largest supply of the fresh stuff. But either way, I'm proceeding by trying to build my wealth (property, assets and cashflow) while learning as much as possible about everything (survival, science, history, whatever). With how fast the world moves, I don't want to be useless or left behind at any point in the future because I was lazy and satisfied with where my life was at a certain point. Always strive for more knowledge, that's my motto. Then, if something happens and we find ourselves in a situation where we're sent back into the dark ages, I'll be able to adapt. Just my thought process on life.
 
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What we are seeing is a slow re-distribution of wealth.

And I don't see any type of "revolution" ever happening in this country.
 
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What we are seeing is a slow re-distribution of wealth.

And I don't see any type of "revolution" ever happening in this country.


I'd actually disagree on this one. Currently income inequality is climbing at its highest ever rate--and tax indemnity is still at nearly an all time low.

If there is a trend in the direction of redistribution it is much more than slow--it's glacial.
 
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There is Nothing that Limits what you can "Make" the problem lies in "What They (Fed) can Take" and How it is Spent / Justified... Skewed Tax Rates (The Rich still pay "More" overall any way you look @ it, No surprise #'s are in their Favor as A Collective Group Tax wise) Wasteful Spending (Washington Takes Care of Their Own and Refuses to be "Held Accountable" Even when Confronted with Corruption and the Blatant "Pissing Away" of Tax Payer $$$ ) I.R.S. (Corrupt in it's self and "Still" wields Power and Fear and the Ability to Target and Destroy Individuals "Without Just Cause") Ever Increasing Debt Ceiling (Every "FUCKING" Year "WE" (Fed) NEED MORE!!!) Who Cares "What We Waste"... Until "Government Spending" is Realed In We Will Continue On the Downward Spiral...

P.S. Nice Video above but "Lacks" the Support Necessary to Arrive @ the Conclusion... The Basic Rule in Displaying A Theory or Hypothesis is "Show Your Work" and Always has been... Without, It's just A Video, Nothing more.
 
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Remember the "Golden Rule"... "The One with All the Gold, Makes the Rule"
Last time "I" checked... "Washington" has "All the Gold", They can Print their own $$$, They Make and Break "All" the Rules... So What and Who is at Fault???

Keep Your Eye on the Ball People, All the Rest is "Dis Information and Distraction" Designed to Redirect where the Responsibility Lies... :cigar:
 
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