Zimmerman

[baba G]

I guess we could have outsourced the Jury from China, prob would have been more fair

 

[Seamaiden]

His defense had to accept the jurors, right? I'm a mother of sons, and could potentially identify strongly with TM's mother. There was one non-whitey, a female whom reporters speculate was Hispanic (like me).

 

[baba G]

His defense had to accept the jurors, right? I'm a mother of sons, and could potentially identify strongly with TM's mother. There was one non-whitey, a female whom reporters speculate was Hispanic (like me).

Really wasn't impressed with his Defense, it was pretty dismal and they lost a slam dunk case by the facts, imho

 

[baba G]

People can speculate all they want, but we know that Zimmerman had a gun with him and we know someone was shot at his hands. Other than that, we don't know shit unfortunately. WE know heresay but without unadulterated video we can't be sure how it happened, but take away the gun or Zimmerman and we don't have a case or tragedy. Take away Martin and we have nothing close to the same as taking Zimmerman out of the equation, imo Zimmerman could have killed any black guy he thought was being shady, but Martin wasn't out stalking people in cars...

 

[Cort]

People can speculate all they want, but we know that Zimmerman had a gun with him and we know someone was shot at his hands. Other than that, we don't know shit unfortunately. WE know heresay but without unadulterated video we can't be sure how it happened, but take away the gun or Zimmerman and we don't have a case or tragedy. Take away Martin and we have nothing close to the same as taking Zimmerman out of the equation, imo Zimmerman could have killed any black guy he thought was being shady, but Martin wasn't out stalking people in cars...

If GZ is to be believed, there still may have been a tragedy. How many times can your head impact concrete before lasting damage/death occurs?

 

[baba G]

If GZ is to be believed, there still may have been a tragedy. How many times can your head impact concrete before lasting damage/death occurs?

If GZ hadn't gotten out of his car and followed or confronted someone he wouldn't have had to worry about his soft matter!!!
Walking, no matter how the FUCK YOU look is not a crime and shouldn't be enforced by civilians.

 

[baba G]

If GZ is to be believed, there still may have been a tragedy. How many times can your head impact concrete before lasting damage/death occurs?

Would you follow someone and disobey the 911 operator? Why did he do it? Cause he wanted to be friendly to Martin?? Hardly, he had vindictiveness and violence on his mind, GZ did that is!!

 

[baba G]

If GZ is to be believed, there still may have been a tragedy. How many times can your head impact concrete before lasting damage/death occurs?

If this was the case, did GZ have stitches to put his head back together or did he have a bloody head or hospital visits?? If GZ was close to being beaten to death, might we have seen those pics of the damage?

 

[baba G]

If GZ is to be believed, there still may have been a tragedy. How many times can your head impact concrete before lasting damage/death occurs?

Here say or do we see the damage and medical attention he received?

 

[shawnskush]

Wait a sec is zimmerman white?

 

[baba G]

Wait a sec is zimmerman white?

I don't care what ethnicity either person is, that is the least of the facts imo

 

[baba G]

Wait a sec is zimmerman white?

white father, hispanic mother

 

[dirk d]

Florida's Stand Your Ground Law 2005
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

 

[dirk d]

they basically say that if you're feeling threatened you can use deadly force. nothing else really matters. I would recommend everyone start packing if you plan on going to Florida or any state with a "stand your ground law". What used to be a home invasion clause is now full on wild west gunfight at the ok corral.

 

[baba G]

It's wild that you can instigate something and then claim standing your ground as a defense. TReating people the way you wanna be treated would have saved GZ a long life of hiding and feeling like a douche.

 

[shawnskush]

they basically say that if you're feeling threatened you can use deadly force. nothing else really matters. I would recommend everyone start packing if you plan on going to Florida or any state with a "stand your ground law". What used to be a home invasion clause is now full on wild west gunfight at the ok corral.

LOL better stay outta AZ damn near everyone there carries! I know I sure did

 

[dirk d]

It's wild that you can instigate something and then claim standing your ground as a defense. TReating people the way you wanna be treated would have saved GZ a long life of hiding and feeling like a douche.

except that Florida is the Douche of the Country. Isn't that where Dick Cheney lives??

 

[baba G]

Yeah dirk, and the capital of the "we can't count" when it comes to voting...lmao

 

[shawnskush]

It's wild that you can instigate something and then claim standing your ground as a defense. TReating people the way you wanna be treated would have saved GZ a long life of hiding and feeling like a douche.

Only one who can say for sure what happened is zimmerman and if he really did act unnecessarily he will have to live with the guilt of that forever.

 

[dirk d]