The History of OG Kush

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Dean Martin & Jerry Lewis ladies and gents, thank you goodnight!
 
oahno

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just found the ads show with dave mann. really incredible stuff that i've wondered about for 20 years now.

as an outsider looking in (and a tremendous, well-traveled pot snob) i was thinking maybe i could add an interesting viewpoint.

original og kush, nothing compares. the best stone ever, other than maybe a perfect old school northern lights. its all its cracked up to be obviously.

the only variations, knock-offs, whatever, that compare even in the slightest to the original og are ghost og, and tahoe og. and all 3 are so similar that its more than likely all the same cut.

Chemdog d is in another league all its own. no other weed on the planet can get me "too high", that i've smoked, ever. this trait is evident in the dawgwalker og, clearly. but dawgwalker is a clearly inferior plant, as is every single other og i have ever tried (probably another 20-30). all were complete weak sauce compared to the original, tahoe, and ghost. all 3 of which were slightly different, but 95% the same. evidence of differences in nutes/enviro likely.

which leads me to the other thing about the dave mann interview that was spot-on. he mentions it is mainly genetics, and he couldn't be more right. all this shit about grower talent and bla bla bla is chalked up to one thing. 95% of people dont know how to fucking grow, or they use shitty fucking nutes. the 5% that know how to actually grow (it's not rocket-science really), their cuts will turn out remarkably similar.

some of the best weed i've ever smoked, to this day, was original 90s sensi seed stock of short blueberry and neville nl. and they were both grown with exactly two things....miracle grow soil....and water. its genetics, and og genetics have been played out for 15 years now. i welcome the people like dave that are gonna pop up and change the game, for real, going forward.
 
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sorry for the flood, just passionate about the subject. forgot to add a couple of things.

sour diesel is some amazing tasting/smelling weed and is probably the best plant ever for producing hash. but its potency is quite weak in my opinion. light years from Chemdog D and og.

bubba kush i dont have experience with the so called green or katsu cut. i have smoked some of the purple pheno a couple times from insanely good og growers and no matter what the high is just boring heavy thc afghan to me. i hear the green or katsu is much more like the og but different, and that it yielded absolutely awful, like the worst of anything in the family by far. anyone here know more? can't find info on this one. why are there two distinct phenos, perhaps two different stories for two different plants thats why the conflicted stories?

nyc diesel bares no real resemblance to the og family that i can see. i smoked stuff perfectly grown by soma himself around 2004 or so. probably the best hawaiian x thai or whatever ive ever smoked but its weak as hell. thing is, this it he one weed i've smoked, in my life, that i would literally pay full price for just to smoke out of taste/smell. if it had 5% thc/etc i would not care. just beautiful stuff

gsc is an awesome "og" i guess but its so far removed from actual og and seems to actually have some amount of real breeding behind it. hermies like a mofo though because the genetics are just so awful at this point. i think the entire og breeding shit should just stop with gsc....we get it guys.
 
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just to chime in, i have listened to the podcast, think theres good info in it. I've been smoking in los angeles since 1991. heavy daily smoker and used to go buy "dub sacks" 20 dollar bags that were about a gram. during that era, everything was referred to as "chronic" some people would use the term "dank" "skunk" or "indo". they were all terms used to describe AAA grade top shelf cannabis. people were not using strain names to identify their product. unless you met a grower, you were not going to hear anything referred to as northern lights or silver haze or bubblegum etc. i started selling small amounts 1/8 to oz around that same time. i came across a lot of different cannabis. a lot of different batches. i would buy from many different folks i knew, 1/4 lbs to 1/2 lbs. out of all these batches from 1991/1992 all the way through 2000 i never saw, smelled, or tasted anything that was similar to what we now call OG KUSH. mind you i also would smoke from other peoples stashes, other sellers batches, i would buy personal amounts from all over because i love to smoke and i love variety. los angeles, south bay, san fernando valley. these were the areas i bought from, smoked from, sold in. so i will not speak about florida or norcal. i never came across the trademark og flavor profile and aroma until 2001. it pretty much appeared out of nowhere. i had a buddy who i used to buy my 1/2 lb from tell me to light up this half of an already burned joint that was sitting in his ashtray. the flavor was ridiculous. pungent, sweet, skunky, tasted better at the half way burned point than ANY fresh bud i had ever smoked. it was not the classic lemon/fuel that you find in the tahoe, sfv, ghost etc line it was like a combo of the bubba which at the time i had also never seen, but am familiar with now, and the faintest hint of that citrus fuel. it was more sweet and skunky but absolutely had the fuel in there somewhere. it was 550 bucks an oz and it was damn near impossible to get any. i ended up buying an ounce whenever it was available, once a month, once every two months, sold 1/8 for 80 bucks just to close friends. the flowers were not OG looking. they were small, sticky, dark green, very fluorescent looking trichs, red hairs...looks mostly like bubba, but thee most pungent, insane aroma. at the end of 2002/beginning of 2003 is the first time i tasted and smelled the classic OG KUSH lemony, citrus, fuel, skunk smell. another 550 per oz variety with the best examples being grown in sylmar by a crew of mexican guys, they called their particular variety CRACK KUSH and it went for 30 a gram by the time i got my hands on it from a persian girl i knew. best smoke I've ever tried to this day. also was getting some from the cal state northridge area. by the time 2004 rolled around i was in a crew of a couple growers, one of whom STAUBACH had been one of the original valley boys running the cut. rockwool, super nutes, pro silicate, super oxy, powder kool bloom. 1 lb per 1000 watt 56-63 day cycle, no co2, recirculating, hand watered. absolute fire. by day 42 it was so greasy that touching a flower would first make your fingers slippery then two rubs later upon oxidation so sticky you couldn't pull your fingers apart. scissor hash was so shiny it looked wet. absolute monstrous oil production on this variety. he said this variety had come from new york to florida to lake tahoe to the san fenando valley. this was before anybody ever thought of the name TAHOE OG. we used to call it the pk for PURE KUSH..even though the growth pattern was the opposite of a kush indic a. so as far back as 2004 I've heard of this strain coming from florida through lake tahoe which corroborates many different versions of the history of this strain, the one variance in this version is his claiming it came from new york originally. i know the new york to florida routes are heavily trafficked so it could be possible that the strain made its way down south. ands then from florida out west. this is just a story I'm passing on from a reputable source who was growing this strain as early as 2001 in the sfv. the rest of this is my version of history. now days you've got 100 different 0g cuts. i say they are of two distinct variations....citrus(FIRE OG, TAHOE, SFV, GHOST etc) the other variation i call soapy(LOUIS XIII) louis is the only named variation I've tried that gives me this soapy, skunky flavor. anybody notice this flavor difference?
 
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couple of things. while your experience is unique, some of it is quite slanted with misinformation.

tahoe, ghost & the original og are all exactly the same cut. and it happened in 96-99. this was confirmed by oregonkid on one of the episodes.

the diesel line doesn't actually smell like fuel or citrus. the only one that smells like citrus is nyc which has very little resemblance to og. its called diesel because the weed was gas. your nose may differ of course but the whole "fuel" thing is really just people wanting it to smell like the name.

again there aren't two distinct variations. theres the original (tahoe, ghost, ogers, original), and then about 100 knocks offs/s1s.

as for the "crack kush" you describe. likely a green crack/og kush hybrid. which sounds amazing. both have resin production off the charts.
 
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& oregon kid was full of poop / kaka from day one, so take his history for what it's worth. bird cage liner .....

but ..... many of the hype strains come from his original S1 drop ...... the problem is not bubba or his gear it's the b.s. stories carved out, marketing crap that started with him on icmag. he had some good gear and became a sales pimp.

take a look at ortega. looks just like og kush on a stick. but who crossed what with who not sure that will ever be answered..... ? many closet breeders in the 80-90's ....
 
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SpiderK said:
& oregon kid was full of poop / kaka from day one, so take his history for what it's worth. bird cage liner .....

but ..... many of the hype strains come from his original S1 drop ...... the problem is not bubba or his gear it's the b.s. stories carved out, marketing crap that started with him on icmag. he had some good gear and became a sales pimp.

take a look at ortega. looks just like og kush on a stick. but who crossed what with who not sure that will ever be answered..... ? many closet breeders in the 80-90's ....
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did you even listen to the episodes? explain to me what oregonkid is lying about? he got the cut from florida, paid 5k and 5 pounds for it, and the people in florida got it from the dogbud, same place chemdog got his cuts. the dogbud was being made/developed in underground bunkers in the 80s, until it was busted around 91.

any similarities to ortega are likely due to the same breeding lines mainly skunk and nl.
 
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he " sold " .... " bubba " - ( landrace ibl ) as bubble gum cross ..... LOL'

ortega & n.l. are not related. baba selling his new ortega as nl1/5 is a mislabel .... nevil popped seeds and built his northern lights line. he then landed the west coast version n.l. 5 later and was not as good as his.

his 88/89 drop of n.l. 5 - haze was using the original n.l. he made. think he was given 11 seeds.
 
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i am not talking about baba ortega. all of these cuts, all the elites, stem from haze, nl, skunk, landraces. if you don't understand this, you are clueless on cannabis history.

oregonkid had no idea of the origins of bubba, who cares? it has been verified about a 1000x over which cuts he had and distributed, by all the people he gave it to.

it seems you have a bug up your butt about oregonkid, and a bone to pick. his place in the history of og kush is very minimal, but very important. the cut didn't really exist outside of florida before him.

and you can't prove any of that wrong. other than your personal slanted hearsay i assume...

you obviously haven't listened to the two adam dunn show episodes, i would suggest you do before trying to argue your points any further.
 
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