Spectrum King Leds - Anybod Using These?

[DrFever]

here another one 76 plants 2000 watts 112 oz or 7 pounds your Beating hid ??? thems were mag ballasts to boot :) Afghanistan kush sealed co2

 

[sixstring]

Both nice grows dr fever.

 

[DrFever]

You know its the same shit over n over they scream efficiency i say blow it out your nose cobs led any of that truth is tests have not been done on spectrums after 1 - year on these units know one really knows how fast they deteriorate or know one mentions how the internals rust from RH areas its always the same shit over n over led's cobs produce a better quality how far from the truth or how fucking stupid does that sound strain right enviroments , temps nutrients all play a crucial roll
but at the end of the day here is a test put 30 plants ( clones in 5 gallon lids and see how that cob or led grows them all the tests you see is so BS its not even funny yeah throw a old 4 year old bulb in the hid and put it up against a LED hahaha truth is comercially speaking Hid is the king put up a DE unit to a cob or any other led it will kill it in yield growth thems are facts enough with the BS efficiency sure COBS / LEDS have its place but for some Hid's do 1 - 3 grows and have enough weed for a full year where as these cob growers and led growing non stop again thems are facts
Growing MJ is not cheap in electricity but again who gives a shit when you haul in 10 - 20 - 30 pounds in 2 - 3 grows keep 10 pounds for your self and unload 20 that's a easy 45 ,000 in profit

 

[tags420]

You know its the same shit over n over they scream efficiency i say blow it out your nose cobs led any of that truth is tests have not been done on spectrums after 1 - year on these units know one really knows how fast they deteriorate or know one mentions how the internals rust from RH areas its always the same shit over n over led's cobs produce a better quality how far from the truth or how fucking stupid does that sound strain right enviroments , temps nutrients all play a crucial roll
but at the end of the day here is a test put 30 plants ( clones in 5 gallon lids and see how that cob or led grows them all the tests you see is so BS its not even funny yeah throw a old 4 year old bulb in the hid and put it up against a LED hahaha truth is comercially speaking Hid is the king put up a DE unit to a cob or any other led it will kill it in yield growth thems are facts enough with the BS efficiency sure COBS / LEDS have its place but for some Hid's do 1 - 3 grows and have enough weed for a full year where as these cob growers and led growing non stop again thems are facts
Growing MJ is not cheap in electricity but again who gives a shit when you haul in 10 - 20 - 30 pounds in 2 - 3. grows keep 10 pounds for your self and unload 20 that's a easy 45 ,000 in profit

Great...your a better grower than me. Not sure why because I grow less with the same equipment you do...my results are invalid. You would do just as good with less wattage from a top end led. If you added more hps...could it be better? More light is more light...and led's are capable of creating more light with every watt than any other lighting...meaning less wattage can be used to get the same results...because it's the same amount of light. The same concept that makes DE's better than moguls. They are more efficient...producing more light with the same energy. You think of efficiency like a prius...when it's actually more like a corvette that gets 60mpg.

If leds were 100$ cheaper than sodium you would be such a troll on led's. You would actually get one and see for your self. Which is all fine and dandy...your money, spend it how you choose. But that doesn't change the fact that they are doing what they are doing for me and others...and you if you wanted....whether you want to believe it or not.

You told us all you were going to build one and do the only proper side by side. Then you disappeared. What happened and where is your light. With all your grows, whats a few hundred to build something that would give you the absolute and ultimate of proof...or are you afraid it won't go the way you think.

 

[Junk]

Oh i was just thinking you could do a side by side with your diy led vs the apache led.i pretty much just blurt out my thoughts when im high,which is mostly only when my eyes are open haha.
The side by side was 2 clones from same plant right? Cant really argue with the lab numbers

That I would love to see. What area is that Apache covering?

 

[Junk]

You know its the same shit over n over they scream efficiency i say blow it out your nose cobs led any of that truth is tests have not been done on spectrums after 1 - year on these units know one really knows how fast they deteriorate or know one mentions how the internals rust from RH areas its always the same shit over n over led's cobs produce a better quality how far from the truth or how fucking stupid does that sound strain right enviroments , temps nutrients all play a crucial roll
but at the end of the day here is a test put 30 plants ( clones in 5 gallon lids and see how that cob or led grows them all the tests you see is so BS its not even funny yeah throw a old 4 year old bulb in the hid and put it up against a LED hahaha truth is comercially speaking Hid is the king put up a DE unit to a cob or any other led it will kill it in yield growth thems are facts enough with the BS efficiency sure COBS / LEDS have its place but for some Hid's do 1 - 3 grows and have enough weed for a full year where as these cob growers and led growing non stop again thems are facts
Growing MJ is not cheap in electricity but again who gives a shit when you haul in 10 - 20 - 30 pounds in 2 - 3 grows keep 10 pounds for your self and unload 20 that's a easy 45 ,000 in profit

I think you are forgetting we are not comparing watt for watt. Also, not sure if you noticed the test results of the samples he sent in. The samples he sent in look pretty comparable to me,


We could figure it out further, donate to help me build a 1kw led, and we'll compare it to any hid you like ;)

We can't really say that one is superior because we aren't giving them equal power. But seeing both in action, I'd bet that a 1kw led would crush an equally powered hid.

Then the discussion will turn to cost vs. product quality. Plenty of people, like myself, would choose better product and higher cost. It's the same argument you are making in saying you should stick with hid.

So it doesn't get uncivil, that plant you pictured, what strain is that? And how long did you veg that for? That thing is a beast! No matter how you grew it....wow, good job man.

I've never vegged a plant out that large, how often did you have to water and feed? It must have been a thirsty and hungry plant.

 

[tags420]

Oh i was just thinking you could do a side by side with your diy led vs the apache led.i pretty much just blurt out my thoughts when im high,which is mostly only when my eyes are open haha.
The side by side was 2 clones from same plant right? Cant really argue with the lab numbers

for the hps and apache side by side...yes, 12 dream clones from the same mom. vegged 4 weeks under the same light source. Final spaces were 4x4 with extra room to flop a tad.

As for DIY vs apache...I don't need to do a perfect side by side and make my garden take a yield hit by sectioning off the garden(yes...I do care about yield...get over it). The DIY covers more because of the physical size. But does also throw more light overall. But I also put more plants under it. Yield was about the same, specially considering the plant count difference(diy=9 apache=6 plants). about a 50g difference. Nothing that couldn't have gone the other way on a different run or an actual side by side.




All comes down to the the light output. I would rather know what that is before I buy anything, so I don't have to hope...I can go in knowing pretty much exactly what it's capable of. LED, HPS, CMH...I don't really care where or what makes the light...I just want as much light as possible(within ideal thresholds). But improvements have been made to the DIY since just the last few runs, CXB upgrade(~15% increase in output), reflectors, driver efficiency increase...the gap is getting bigger. I have moved to COB's for a reason, output being the number one...cost second.

 

[DrFever]

people have started to get some great results with diy and other Led;s the problem is that with the LED making advancements there is really no tests on actual performance i mean any light brand new once powered up will start the decline in actual performance with cob / led they have not really tested light spectrums after so many hrs or what ever else .. And reason is the major advancements of course there power companies and light companies are looking for
the problem or lack of area now sure as many mentioned diy you can make it so it covers more of a area But the problem is the gap inbetween sure you can place a few plants right under it and it will grow ,, but when you start spreading plants or plants on outsides of the zone will stretch like a mofo your not going to get a rectangular made unit cover a 5 x 5 area again although it will grow they will be weak compared to whats right under them so this means you need more lights to make up the difference and that becomes costly
People are pulling 3 pounds per 1 k well its becoming pretty normal these days 2 - 3 pounds per
And what gets me is these companies claiming the 1k equivalent led unit and Growers are not coming close and why the lack of penetration is one sure any one can smudge a umol test but facts remain most 1 k led replacements are not coming in with the Gavita's or nanolux or dimlux DE units
then like you said well watt per watt excuse or something went wrong

Junk as for veg times its always been 5 - 5 1/2 weeks veg with lots of training indoor here is a blue berry strain i will be working on the line seed grow F2's vegged under T5 ho's until sexed then worked them outside she is a monster :)

 

[tags420]

No one getting positive results was pulling more with hps than they are top end led. I have said it many times and you choose to ignore it...YOU will pull the same yield YOU do now with hps with a top led that supply the same amount of actual light.
So until a guy who pulls 2-3 with hps goes to top end led does it you won't be happy then fucking do it. Seriously big guy...what's 800$ for ultimate proof and to shut me and real up.
I can't pull thos numbers with hps, otherwise I would and I have shown you multiple times how constituent I am with any lighting. Maybe not king yields...but great quality and respectable yield. But I do pull just as much with less wattage using a top end led. Facts.

 

[Wisher619]

I have to agree with Tags....I've watched his YouTube videos....and I have to say....what I saw was exactly what I see from HPS users....

Whether anyone may or may not like SpectrumKing they have 3 new videos that I really like...they even say basically you will pull more weight with an HPS .....but.....not gram per watt.....with high powered full spectrum LEDs gram per watt is higher.....Tags showed it in his videos so does Spectrum King ....,

I understand it's a beat around the bush sales pitch.....but all the information is "The Truth" in my opinion....especially since I use the sun exclusively and never have to change the suns bulb and or spectrum to finish my plants...
even in the videos they admit that HPS kills it....they just feel that natural light with same intensity is better

 

[sixstring]

One thing i have noticed with the mars is you need to adjust your feeds to match the spectrum imo,my trusty mk is asking me for much more food now under led.and its hard to see if she is deficient under the mars so it took me about 2 weeks to catch it.but i went from 600 to 700ppm to 900 to 1000ppm and it took me hitting her 1 x at 1400 to really catch her up.seems good now at 900 with some extra calmag plus 2%N.nice you can just shut off the led any time and take a look.wonder if those method 7 glasses would help?prolly not aye :)

 

[iceman3000]

Im looking to buy a custom diy cree cob led can anyone help 600w+ 240 volts.. fixture needs to be 36x36 and best of the best parts please chime in..

 

[Wisher619]

http://www.ledsupply.com/diy-makersled-led-grow-light
You can always swap out the parts for better parts such as the power supply and drivers as well as getting the spectrum you want with whatever leds you choose or say in the spectrum you want...I would go half 5k and the other half 3k and mix them instead of what they recommend
3 20" panels bracketed with aluminum tubes at each end would be super killer spaced 6" apart

I think would hella kill it

The kit now comes solderless now

 

[iceman3000]

so 3590 4 per heatsink 36inch long? trying to knock off (tags) super panel was going to buy a SK 450 for test 3x3 want to know for my self if this is the way to run.. if you could remove 8 1k open bulb with 12 660w and still only pulling 7920w from the wall and up weight 20% with 1/3 cooling and less watts on fixture as 8 1k pull 8720 watts would be a blow out, why doing it all on the same foot print 6 x 18... looking for some one to build it for me... i have been watch for a yr now all the info cumming out its all over the place.. buying a perfab not what im looking for, as price is way out their bml 3k neosole 3k at600 1.8k ect diy 900 parts and fine some one to build it 3hr or so 250 bucks sounds right... i might be off by a few buck but not much and you get the best of the best...

 

[Wisher619]

I think the SK450 would smash thou......with 90* angle it would kill a 3x3 space....

 

[Toaster79]

http://www.ledil.com/products?ds=1&...tr=&tp=&fr=&st=0&pg=0&lo=&ol=0&of=0&od=0&oh=0

;)

 

[FruityNutBar]

I'm obviously in know way as knowledgeable as all you guys but I find these forums really informative, and with me being ocd I've spent a great deal of time viewing various sites and forums, and I must say 99% of the time I find everybody's post's informative, but I do get frustrated when all of a sudden it turns into the equivalent of dickhead nobs fighting over there dick size. You guys are all very intelligent (shit sorry girl's too :) ) but it's really annoying for a guy like me that's got a 10 incher (honest) when what I can best describe it as IQ battles that insue, now I'm all up for people disagreeing and explaining there own opinion etc, but I think leave the egos at the door and the posts "I was the one that showed you the possibilities of leds" but that is not informative it benefitted no one. What's crazier is that at some point you showed/introduced, passed on knowledge that had such an affect that he bloody built his own and I think you should have a go at starting a small buisness, now I'd be buzzing if I had inspired someone to do that. I'm sorry for me rant, and also the pictures you guys post are just wrong, in so many good ways. Soz one last thing, I know that this particular thread is light oriented, but if anyone posts any more works of art it be great if you maybe added your grow method and get length if supplemented with co2 and maybe if there was a specific additive that you'd swear by or strongly recommend. Very last thing anybody heard of this? mini Subsonic Harmonic Wave Machine. I know one of ya said if it sound's or looks to good to be true it probably is, and I agree that is 99% the case, but sometimes there are exceptions, now if this thing that only uses 40 watts to run and there saying in the 3 or 5 years they've tested it and there worst result is a 12% increase, that's one mighty bold statement, if that ever gets independently verified then although outta my price range, I can't think of anything that comes close to having such a significant impact for a meet 40 watts. If I don't get banned or something and anyone bothers to read this I'd love to hear any thoughts. Much love to all, I think we all need it in the world today.

 

[Wisher619]

@FruityNutBar
I'm not sure why you posted to talk shit and then ask a question and why you are so into dicks...I don't think anyone here care about how big you are either....
But to answer your question...
I don't believe that a harmonic wave machine could hurt but probably a waste of money

 

[iceman3000]

Ok im going to make a diy my self some input from the brains would be great looking at the cxb 3590 think i will go with a mix of the 3500k and 4000k can you guy let me know what the top bins are right now and should i use the meanwells 185 and if so how may can i run per driver and fan size (how many per heatsink) using 8x36 heatsink (3) 4 cob's per.. cob placement 2 inches off the end and every 8 inches after that.. i know all the info is all over the net but dam i get lost at times some help would be great
thanks

 

[tags420]

Ok im going to make a diy my self some input from the brains would be great looking at the cxb 3590 think i will go with a mix of the 3500k and 4000k can you guy let me know what the top bins are right now and should i use the meanwells 185 and if so how may can i run per driver and fan size (how many per heatsink) using 8x36 heatsink (3) 4 cob's per.. cob placement 2 inches off the end and every 8 inches after that.. i know all the info is all over the net but dam i get lost at times some help would be great
thanks

8" profiles? Are you going passive?
I use 5.8" profiles at 36" and more than enough with a single 140mm fan at 12v.