Taking Cannabis To The Extreme Lets See What She's Got!!!

[jumpincactus]

Well it's 8:30pm where I am so I'm getting a little impatient ;)

Hey wassup toasty Hey I'm sorry your livin on the wrong side o the pond. :) Look at it this way, when you wake up tomorrow have some breakfast, read the Sunday paper , do a proper wake n bake and wallahhh cactus will have your update ready. :p LOL

 

[jumpincactus]

Much love man :)

 

[Purpletrain]

Just admit it your plants turned grey like everything else out there does

 

[jumpincactus]

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LOL fukk off Prince :) I said prince cause you handle reminds me of purplerain a song he did. All in good humor bro. Much love. No surprisingly they are still kicking as update later this evening!!!!

 

[jumpincactus]

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ya including me I forgot to add that.

 

[Purpletrain]

 

[jumpincactus]

Well after much ado and some of you eager for an update. @Seamaiden @Toaster79 @rmoltis @thunderfudge @Purpletrain @Moto @Papa Indica @G gnome and any others I forgot to add.

So my first observation is for the length of time sine cracking the dirt they are way behind in vegetative growth. The pics today are at approx 6 weeks since they broke soil on the 3rd of August. In my mind, that is to be expected, considering the temps and arid conditions along with hot dry wind they spent the majority of the veg stages just trying to hold on and survive. I would imagine most of their veg energy was spent transpiring. So I expected this going in. Based on vegging inside I would guesstimate they are behind approx 50% right out of the gate.

They actually cracked soil when temps were hovering around 108/109 they endured triple digits for another 3 weeks averaging around 105 the last week we have enjoyed some (chilly) lol 95/97 degrees. While the monsoon was rolling in the average Rh ran approx 45-50% when it wasn't monsooning (is that even a word) LOL Rh ran about 12% At the time of today's pics the temps are 100 and 11% Rh. We wont truly get under triple digits with any consistency until mid to late October. Just when the rest of you outdoor folks are bringing home your harvest.

The 1st 3 pics are my little hillbilly POdunk shaded planter structure I pieced together with 1" PCV and some garden shade screen from Home Depot. The dimensions of the planter are 32" W x 10' L x 34 " deep. The soil is ROLS with lots of goodies and has been cooking and aging since last season when I started this project. I wanted to give the critters/herd time to mineralize the azomite and other amendments along with my own compost and a friends home made worm castings. I did use somewhat of a light cover crop to keep the microbiology going until they get transplanted. I also used regular waterings of the bed with AACT to keep the critters fed.

Just for shits n grins, I used my digital temp gun however inaccurate they can be and when it was high noon and the temps were 105 in the shade the plants were clocking in at leaf surface of 120 d F even under the shade screen

So as you can see they took about as much abuse as a fella could throw at them. Cannabis is a extremely resilient plant :)

I'm thinking next summer I will do my starts inside in my new veg tent my boy @rmoltis got me for my birthday. He sent me a 5 x5 x 6.5 Secret Jardin Thank you so much son!!! I love it.

Tomorrow morning they will all go into the planter bed for their final resting place. I will continue to use supplemental lighting to keep the photoperiod at 16 hrs for approx 2 more weeks then let them begin to flower. This should give them plenty of time to adjust to any transplant shock and allow them to spread out with the rootzone. I am hoping that by the end stages of flower the evening temps will be around 65 deg and hopefuully bring out some autumn fade in the gentics.

Overall from my vantage point the plants that seemed to do the best are as follows. 1. SLP sour larry pebbles from my buddy in WA he knows who is I love you man. Thank you. 2. The jack herer 3. My boys random bag seed from pa and lastly the Cornbread from the @Nspecta Overall other than lacking in size and veg growth they all look very healthy. I have been hitting them with neem oil to help keep pests at bay. So far it seems to be working.

I may have to split the pics as there is a limit on images per post. I will just daisy chain the remainder in another post. Keep in mind I was nervous as fukk and didnt have a lot of time for pics as I live in a flight line and I didnt want them out from under cover for too long. So they were snapped in a hurry. There are 10 plants 4 CB 2 RBS bag seed 2 jack herer and 2 SLP sour larry pebbles.

In closing I did this little experiment to see if I can come up with a way to do outdoors here in the summer successfully as I cannot handle the stress, paranoia and physical endeavors of growing up north in some of my old time favorite temperate spots such the Verde Valley, Jerome, The Mogollon Rim and several others.

So farmers the proof of the pudding will be getting them sexed and bring home the harvest before I can do an overall appraisal and a smoke report. Updates will follow ob\nce sexed and into flower mode. Much love to you all and thanks for following along.

First up Cornbread group shot the 4 in the middle of pick followed by 2 shots of CB from the top down

Jack Herer Fire pheno from a friend here in phx

jack herer top down shots

Sour larry pebbles

SLP top down

lastly my sons RBS random bagseed

RBS top down

 

[Purpletrain]

I think you need to get them out of them black pots and transferred into some totes... root temps probably cooking the look healthy other wise 50 percent behind ?? prob not here is a 6 week from seed and showed sex guessing your maybe 1 - 2 weeks behind as for later growth its
Have they pulled down there pants and showed you there genitials lol ..

 

[GT21]

So have been working on my raised bed for some time actually 2 years now to get the herd and humus and all of the other goodies ready for an outdoor run. Strains that I am playing with for this experiment are

"Cornbread Bubba" by @Nspecta of CSI
" Jack Herer" From a dear friend absolute fire pheno
" Sour Larry Pebbles" courtesy of my family in WA state
" RBS which is some mystery bag seed my son sent me from PA

the reason I call this an experiment is, well cause it is. I have been hamstringed into thinking you could not grow good cannabis in a arid desert enviro and have always had to do outdoor grows in AZ up in the north country where the temps and enviro are more suitable for the parameters we are told we need to maintain to have superior cannabis. I am attempting to dispell all the myths that to have excellent herb it has to be done indoors and pampered.

If all goes well I will be able to start growing outdoors without the long treks up north and do so locally here in the brutal AZ desert. So far all looks like it just may work.

The beans were planted on Aug 3 they crowned the soil on 8/5 2 days all 10 beanz popped planted directly in soil outside. The temps the day they broke ground were a 98 d F humidity that day was around 20%

The following day which would be day 2 of breaking soil on 8/6 temps hit a blistering 106 however the monsoon had moved in and Rh was double at 45% . So far so good.

Day 3 the 7th temps 109
Day 4 the 8th temps 110
Today the 9th day 5 temps 97

Projected temps for the balance of August will run from highs 90's to 105, 106 110

For anyone that has ever lived here you know that the plants will be in for a hell of a ride as temps dont drop below triple digits until mid Oct.

Right now they are in solo cups as evidenced by the pics I will post at the end of the thread. The only precaution I have taken during the initial germination and sprouting is I put all the solo cups in tubs and have kept about a 1/2 " of ph adjusted water so the starts can draw water from the bottom keeping the soil wet/moist up thru the top of the soil column. I will plant them in their home in another couple of days and will use some supplemental lighting to keep them in veg for approx 6 weeks at which time I will stop the supp lights and allow the plants to begin flowering as the day length will be just about right at this time. The length of day currently is 13 hrs 33 min by the time another 6 weeks gets by us the photo-period will initiate flowering.

Some may ask why are you doing this and the answer is simple. Cost savings due to the extreme cooling bills I have in summer and I have been shutting down my grows during the summers here due to that fact. Also I think we have all been told so many times that we need to keep perfect temps, RH and all sorts of other parameters to grow quality cannabis and I am not convinced this is always true. So I am taking our beloved plant to the extreme to see the results. I hope some of you will join my on my journey as this could be a game changer for me and possibly others as well.

Here are the pics. The tub with 4 in it are the Cornbread and the tub with 6 are the 2 bagseed from my boy the 2 JH and the 2 Sour Larry Pebbles from WA. From what I am seeing this very well could be a success. But I have a lot more extreme temps and pests that may very well be my undoing. Proof of the pudding will be come harvest I guess. Thanks for checking this Cannabis Ironwoman event!!!

@rmoltis wanted to follow along so heres a shout out as he was the bagseed donor and wanted me to post up in his bagseed thread and thought I would do a separate thread and not clutter up his. All you gotta do @rmoltis is set your user panel to watch this thread and you will get an alert when I do updates.

Plants look pretty healthy considering what they are enduring. please send me good grow karma and positive energy thruout this endeavor. Will keep a journal as it goes.

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These plants do great in the desert brotha!!! Best wishes to ya!!!

 

[Seamaiden]

They look really good IMO. I know how drying the wind can be, how destructive, and I've seen lots of garden plants that are just HAMMERED by the wind. Now that we're getting nearer October, I think you may see some good growth kicking in. Expect for me to start hitting you up about desert growing within the next year, fo' sho'!

 

[GT21]

They look really good IMO. I know how drying the wind can be, how destructive, and I've seen lots of garden plants that are just HAMMERED by the wind. Now that we're getting nearer October, I think you may see some good growth kicking in. Expect for me to start hitting you up about desert growing within the next year, fo' sho'!

This is why physical manipulation is key in the very beginning of life. I always recommend using a stick or a broom handle and hit your plants from day one. It strengthens the stalk and root system without silly silica additives. It actually tears fibrous roots and turn them into huge tap roots. We get wind bad out here in the valley. A good tissue tear and rebuild AND LOW NUTRIENT INPUT is key to dealing with 100 degree days and 80 mile an hour wind gusts.

 

[jumpincactus]

They look really good IMO. I know how drying the wind can be, how destructive, and I've seen lots of garden plants that are just HAMMERED by the wind. Now that we're getting nearer October, I think you may see some good growth kicking in. Expect for me to start hitting you up about desert growing within the next year, fo' sho'!

Anytime for sure

 

[jumpincactus]

This is why physical manipulation is key in the very beginning of life. I always recommend using a stick or a broom handle and hit your plants from day one. It strengthens the stalk and root system without silly silica additives. It actually tears fibrous roots and turn them into huge tap roots. We get wind bad out here in the valley. A good tissue tear and rebuild AND LOW NUTRIENT INPUT is key to dealing with 100 degree days and 80 mile an hour wind gusts.

Fukk yes man. Very respectable!!!! Are you in AZ az well brother. We used to grow some 12 footers up on the Rim and in the Verde Valley, but as you know the weather is much more temperate up in the higher desert. I had never given it a go down at sea level as I always thought without maintaining a good VPD and plenty of water and the 110-115 deg temps we can hit here in the valley I didn't think it was possible. That also goes without saying that here on the valley floor there are too many rippers, tweakers and whirlybirds so my paranoia levels just wouldn't let me try it here. At least where I'm at now it is a more rural setting away from Phx Metro area.

Thanks for the pics be sure if these are current pics that you post up some of the final finished flower pics here as well. I would not mind a bit. Thanks for stopping in.

 

[jumpincactus]

This is why physical manipulation is key in the very beginning of life. I always recommend using a stick or a broom handle and hit your plants from day one. It strengthens the stalk and root system without silly silica additives. It actually tears fibrous roots and turn them into huge tap roots. We get wind bad out here in the valley. A good tissue tear and rebuild AND LOW NUTRIENT INPUT is key to dealing with 100 degree days and 80 mile an hour wind gusts.

Ya I agree with you, I knew going in the key was to keep nutes low in the extreme heat. So they got no added nutes at watering only the nutes that were already in the soil.

 

[GT21]

Fukk yes man. Very respectable!!!! Are you in AZ az well brother. We used to grow some 12 footers up on the Rim and in the Verde Valley, but as you know the weather is much more temperate up in the higher desert. I had never given it a go down at sea level as I always thought without maintaining a good VPD and plenty of water and the 110-115 deg temps we can hit here in the valley I didn't think it was possible. That also goes without saying that here on the valley floor there are too many rippers, tweakers and whirlybirds so my paranoia levels just wouldn't let me try it here. At least where I'm at now it is a more rural setting away from Phx Metro area.

Thanks for the pics be sure if these are current pics that you post up some of the final finished flower pics here as well. I would not mind a bit. hanks for stopping in.

Im in the high desert in California. Huge temp swings but an extremely dry climate all year... that vpd chart is garbage(for pot) in my opinion because stoma adapts in harsh climate to allow excess transpiration. 0% humidity all the time... that means these plants are in the red for months LMAO. I see a lot of people add too many nutrients and additives and completely blow off the fact that the plant needs to be handled... i like to beat them like dirty hookers... just like a bad wind gust.

 

[GT21]

Ya I agree with you, I knew going in the key was to keep nutes low in the extreme heat. So they got no added nutes at watering only the nutes that were already in the soil.

A lot of guys will run a dripper constantly and add a tea once a week or something.

 

[jumpincactus]

Im in the high desert in California. Huge temp swings but an extremely dry climate all year... that vpd chart is garbage(for pot) in my opinion because stoma adapts in harsh climate to allow excess transpiration. 0% humidity all the time... that means these plants are in the red for months LMAO. I see a lot of people add too many nutrients and additives and completely blow off the fact that the plant needs to be handled... i like to beat them like dirty hookers... just like a bad wind gust.

LMAO oh man I love that. Beat em like a dirty hooker or a bad dog right. My buddy/ mentor used to drive a huge nail thru the middle of the stalk down low. He claimed it created strength in the main stem to harden up and withstand the monsoon winds. Good to see another farmer using this type of manipulation. Its not much different than supercropping really just at a more extreme level.

 

[Stumpy420]

Well after much ado and some of you eager for an update. @Seamaiden @Toaster79 @rmoltis @thunderfudge @Purpletrain @Moto @Papa Indica @G gnome and any others I forgot to add.

So my first observation is for the length of time sine cracking the dirt they are way behind in vegetative growth. The pics today are at approx 6 weeks since they broke soil on the 3rd of August. In my mind, that is to be expected, considering the temps and arid conditions along with hot dry wind they spent the majority of the veg stages just trying to hold on and survive. I would imagine most of their veg energy was spent transpiring. So I expected this going in. Based on vegging inside I would guesstimate they are behind approx 50% right out of the gate.

They actually cracked soil when temps were hovering around 108/109 they endured triple digits for another 3 weeks averaging around 105 the last week we have enjoyed some (chilly) lol 95/97 degrees. While the monsoon was rolling in the average Rh ran approx 45-50% when it wasn't monsooning (is that even a word) LOL Rh ran about 12% At the time of today's pics the temps are 100 and 11% Rh. We wont truly get under triple digits with any consistency until mid to late October. Just when the rest of you outdoor folks are bringing home your harvest.

The 1st 3 pics are my little hillbilly POdunk shaded planter structure I pieced together with 1" PCV and some garden shade screen from Home Depot. The dimensions of the planter are 32" W x 10' L x 34 " deep. The soil is ROLS with lots of goodies and has been cooking and aging since last season when I started this project. I wanted to give the critters/herd time to mineralize the azomite and other amendments along with my own compost and a friends home made worm castings. I did use somewhat of a light cover crop to keep the microbiology going until they get transplanted. I also used regular waterings of the bed with AACT to keep the critters fed.

Just for shits n grins, I used my digital temp gun however inaccurate they can be and when it was high noon and the temps were 105 in the shade the plants were clocking in at leaf surface of 120 d F even under the shade screen

So as you can see they took about as much abuse as a fella could throw at them. Cannabis is a extremely resilient plant :)

I'm thinking next summer I will do my starts inside in my new veg tent my boy @rmoltis got me for my birthday. He sent me a 5 x5 x 6.5 Secret Jardin Thank you so much son!!! I love it.

Tomorrow morning they will all go into the planter bed for their final resting place. I will continue to use supplemental lighting to keep the photoperiod at 16 hrs for approx 2 more weeks then let them begin to flower. This should give them plenty of time to adjust to any transplant shock and allow them to spread out with the rootzone. I am hoping that by the end stages of flower the evening temps will be around 65 deg and hopefuully bring out some autumn fade in the gentics.

Overall from my vantage point the plants that seemed to do the best are as follows. 1. SLP sour larry pebbles from my buddy in WA he knows who is I love you man. Thank you. 2. The jack herer 3. My boys random bag seed from pittsburgh and lastly the Cornbread from the @Nspecta Overall other than lacking in size and veg growth they all look very healthy. I have been hitting them with neem oil to help keep pests at bay. So far it seems to be working.

I may have to split the pics as there is a limit on images per post. I will just daisy chain the remainder in another post. Keep in mind I was nervous as fukk and didnt have a lot of time for pics as I live in a flight line and I didnt want them out from under cover for too long. So they were snapped in a hurry. There are 10 plants 4 CB 2 RBS bag seed 2 jack herer and 2 SLP sour larry pebbles.

In closing I did this little experiment to see if I can come up with a way to do outdoors here in the summer successfully as I cannot handle the stress, paranoia and physical endeavors of growing up north in some of my old time favorite temperate spots such the Verde Valley, Jerome, The Mogollon Rim and several others.

So farmers the proof of the pudding will be getting them sexed and bring home the harvest before I can do an overall appraisal and a smoke report. Updates will follow ob\nce sexed and into flower mode. Much love to you all and thanks for following along.

First up Cornbread group shot the 4 in the middle of pick followed by 2 shots of CB from the top down

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Jack Herer Fire pheno from a friend here in phx

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jack herer top down shots

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Sour larry pebbles

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SLP top down

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lastly my sons RBS random bagseed
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RBS top down

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Seeing your plants shows me how shitty my plants look. I'm in dire need of a soil/less overhaul. I have a small amount of compost but it wasn't started until this past spring. Ugh I feel like...:banghead: your plants took that heat like some Champs. Beautiful green color @jumpincactus...

 

[jumpincactus]

Seeing your plants shows me how shitty my plants look. I'm in dire need of a soil/less overhaul. I have a small amount of compost but it wasn't started until this past spring. Ugh I feel like...:banghead: your plants took that heat like some Champs. Beautiful green color @jumpincactus...

Thank you man. Hey dont beat yourself up brother. your doin the best you can with what you got. Thank you for the props.

 

[GT21]

LMAO oh man I love that. Beat em like a dirty hooker or a bad dog right. My buddy/ mentor used to drive a huge nail thru the middle of the stalk down low. He claimed it created strength in the main stem to harden up and withstand the monsoon winds. Good to see another farmer using this type of manipulation. Its not much different than supercropping really just at a more extreme level.

Ya the nail in the stalk is an old school trick... once you have about a 5 footer you can shove a screw driver through the trunk about half way down and leave it for a week then pull it out and the plant will blow up... no nutes needed