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Wisher619

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despite the hightimes jibberish seeds were always and still are fderally illegal to buy and ship from holland or anywhere
Nevil was not invisible and the DOJ and FBI knew exactly where he was.....sitting in prison in Aussie land
but he bailed before they could extradite him

get YO facts right!!
 
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why give Watson a permit?

He never got a permit, he applied for one and was denied.

Sam always was -and still is- a puppet, he and Michael Rich never had anything to say.
Both him and Nevil got screwed by a typical action of the KLPD, a Dutch police department.
The guy behind that is now director of a MMJ company currently worth 116.43 million on the stockmarket.

The plot thickens..
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At the time 5 institutions* had permits for growing cannabis.
Hortapharm B.V. applied for it several times and was denied again and again.
So the story they got a permit to grow and were the only one who did is a complete lie,
still kept alive by professional liars, who unfortunately dominate most weedforums.

From 16 september 1994 untill 17 september 1997 they did have a permit for scientific research, which took them more than 3 years to get. This allowed them to have a maximum of 10 grams THC, not to grow any plants, which officially was supposed to happen abroad.
That permit wasn't extended, because they didn't stick to the conditions, but untill July 1997 it was “gedoogd” to grow cannabis for medical purposes which they did, just like our coffeeshops are “gedoogd”.
Hortapharm B.V. went in appeal against that decision and then politics got even more involved.

First on 3 oktober 1997 there was the manipulative radio program implying Sam was working for the DEA. Very nasty, because people have been killed for less.

Shortly before the decision of the appeal in March 1998, Maripharm, supplier of MMJ to more than 200 pharmacies, was busted and at the same time a new drug called Marinol (Dronabinol) was introduced.

6 March 1998 there was a second radio show, connecting Hortapharm with whitewash operations, tax fraude and stockmarket fraude. Obviously they then lost the appeal shortly afterwards.

26 May 1998 they applied for a new permit this time for “analytisch-chemische doelen, veredeling en instandhouding van plantenrassen en in- en export”

Based on a tip they had continued their illegal activities the Justice Department was asked April 1999 to investigate this claim. On 13 April 1999 Hortapharm was busted and their permit was denied the next day.


Mind you I am not a fan of Sam at all and I hate the way he tries to change history, among other things.
My friends still think he is DEA, including Wernard who invited him to Holland in the first place.
But fact is he got screwed badly and Nevil got screwed as well.
The first is easy to proof, the last you need to understand politics and how Dutch police works.

Speaking of Dutch police and politics, check out what became of Mario Lap.




* These 5 were:
1. Centrum voor Plantenveredelings en reproductieonderzoek (CPRO-DLO).
2. Instituut voor Agrotechnologisch Onderzoek (ATO-DLO).
3. Institute for Human Psychopharmacology.
4. Vakgroep Agronomie Landbouwuniversiteit Wageningen.
5. Stichting Kwaliteitsbewaking Klinische Geneesmiddelenanalyse en Toxicologie.

All facts about Hortapharm B.V. permits (in Dutch)
 
Sativied

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Hate to say it lol but I'm actually with you on a couple of points.

As obvious in the indeed manipulative vpro radio show Mario Lap felt passed over. He is a major source behind many of the stories and rumors. But then so is Nevil ( and mns camp) who helped spread and parrot the stories, often referring to findings of Mario Lap. Who has been advising the cops for years, a self-proclaimed cannabis expert. Our cops are pretty dumb when it comes to cannabis growing so he obviously didn't do his job very well. Whining about how someone who was arrested in the US got a permit, but maripharm didn't. What he was rally whining about is that he wasn't involved, he even mentions how surprised he was to find out about it. Sneaky bastard that one.

Your friends are absurd to even suggest Wernard is DEA, that's just insulting. And stupid. Founder of first coffeeshop and growshop, the peace and love kind of hippie that didn't even care enough about money to survive the initial green rush.

The fact remains he got a permit, the only one at the time, and the limitation of having 10 gram thc doesn't mean you can't grow plants even though it's obviously limited. Exceeding that is what among others got him into trouble. Changing that piece of history because of the restrictions in it is just antfucking.

Mind you I am not a fan of Sam at all and I hate the way he tries to change history, among other things.
Funny, I got that especially with Nevil and MNS camp. Sam deserves credit for his pioneer work. Nevil was just the first commercial pollenchucker using Sam's collection.

Professional liars who dominate weedforums... Well you definitely verified you're the real BubbleBlower with that comment.
 
LocalGrowGuy

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Hate to say it lol but I'm actually with you on a couple of points.

As obvious in the indeed manipulative vpro radio show Mario Lap felt passed over. He is a major source behind many of the stories and rumors. But then so is Nevil ( and mns camp) who helped spread and parrot the stories, often referring to findings of Mario Lap. Who has been advising the cops for years, a self-proclaimed cannabis expert. Our cops are pretty dumb when it comes to cannabis growing so he obviously didn't do his job very well. Whining about how someone who was arrested in the US got a permit, but maripharm didn't. What he was rally whining about is that he wasn't involved, he even mentions how surprised he was to find out about it. Sneaky bastard that one.

Your friends are absurd to even suggest Wernard is DEA, that's just insulting. And stupid. Founder of first coffeeshop and growshop, the peace and love kind of hippie that didn't even care enough about money to survive the initial green rush.

The fact remains he got a permit, the only one at the time, and the limitation of having 10 gram thc doesn't mean you can't grow plants even though it's obviously limited. Exceeding that is what among others got him into trouble. Changing that piece of history because of the restrictions in it is just antfucking.

Funny, I got that especially with Nevil and MNS camp. Sam deserves credit for his pioneer work. Nevil was just the first commercial pollenchucker using Sam's collection.

Professional liars who dominate weedforums... Well you definitely verified you're the real BubbleBlower with that comment.
This thread and your whorling posts are fascinating to me, and I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to be poaching the term 'antfucking' for my own personal use. You'll get credit but no royalties.
 
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No credit or royalties apply, Google translates it to nitpicking instead of litterally to antfucking but it's proper dutch, in the dictionaries too, and widely used.



"A motorist who constituted a parking attendant in Alkmaar in 2005 mierenneuker [antfucker] was verbalized by the latter because of insult , for which a fine of € 220 was imposed, which the man refused to pay. The magistrate then concluded with an appeal to the dictionary that the term does not necessarily offensive to be understood, though it usually does."

Main usage guideline: antfucker is offensive, antfucking isn't. :D
 
LocalGrowGuy

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No credit or royalties apply, Google translates it to nitpicking instead of litterally to antfucking but it's proper dutch, in the dictionaries too, and widely used.



"A motorist who constituted a parking attendant in Alkmaar in 2005 mierenneuker [antfucker] was verbalized by the latter because of insult , for which a fine of € 220 was imposed, which the man refused to pay. The magistrate then concluded with an appeal to the dictionary that the term does not necessarily offensive to be understood, though it usually does."

Main usage guideline: antfucker is offensive, antfucking isn't. :D
I never thought learning a new word would bring so much glee. I laughed out loud at the bolded, and my family refers to morning bathroom trips as 'morning constitutionals'. I thought you were going to tell a story about shitting in a parking lot.

Sorry to get off-topic, back to antfucking this insurance application I am working on.
 
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Hate to say it lol but I'm actually with you on a couple of points.
You have never disagreed with anything I actually said, you have only disagreed with what I said according to others or when you read with your nose.
The fact remains he got a permit, the only one at the time
Are you saying Minister Els Borst was lying?
Vragen gesteld door de leden der Kamer, met de daarop door de regering gegeven antwoorden
Twice?
and the limitation of having 10 gram thc doesn't mean you can't grow plants
But the limitation of not having a permit to grow does.


Your friends are absurd to even suggest Wernard is DEA, that's just insulting. And stupid.
Wernard IS a friend of mine and my friends ARE his friends, who actually helped him start the “first” coffeeshop in the Netherlands, which of course it wasn't, but technically it was the first to get a license in 1976.
As obvious in the indeed manipulative vpro radio show Mario Lap felt passed over. He is a major source behind many of the stories and rumors. But then so is Nevil ( and mns camp) who helped spread and parrot the stories, often referring to findings of Mario Lap. Sneaky bastard that one.
Indeed. The previous link didn't work, but he is now European president of the company morningdewd is pushing in another thread and on all the forums. Jerry turns around in his grave. Hope this link works better.
The way Nevil reacted after he was shown these documents is totally understandable, I would have done the same.


Funny, I got that especially with Nevil and MNS camp. Sam deserves credit for his pioneer work.
Yes, but certainly not the huge amount he is taking now. The Afghan we got from the Russians was thousand times better than his skunk, which was always the cheapest on our menu's. What was good about the skunk was it brought stability to crossings, but that didn't make it unique. Sam can never be a good breeder, because he isn't a good grower.

He and Shanti are in the same camp now by the way. Both of them can't stand in the shadow of Nevil when it comes to breeding, simply because he has a much bigger nose.
 
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I still think you're antfucking about the permit. They knew he grew plants, they suspected he was exporting seeds too, but since that wasn't illegal they couldn't do anything about it. He did not explicitly have a permit to grow, produce, and supply medicinal cannabis.

but technically it was the first to get a license in 1976.
If I remember correctlty, "technically" coffeeshop Russia got the first coffeeshop license, nr 001.

As for you being friends with Wernard, you being able to determine how well Sam can or can't grow and breed, Nevil casting a shadow on other breeders... that's all just too ludicrous. I read a lot from both Sam and Nevil and there is no mystery about who is a breeder and who isn't. I've seen one pic from you, a small bud, over 7 years lol...

Yes, but certainly not the huge amount he is taking now.
I think that may partially be a natural response of compensating for the accusations where he doesn't just get a lack of credit but a lot of negativity.

And skunk wasn't always the cheapest on the menus. That comment suggest you go back a little less far than you like to imply. Orange, hindu kush, afghan, purple and several others were several guilders cheaper per gram than skunk.
 
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He never got a permit, he applied for one and was denied.

Sam always was -and still is- a puppet, he and Michael Rich never had anything to say.
Both him and Nevil got screwed by a typical action of the KLPD, a Dutch police department.
The guy behind that is now director of a MMJ company currently worth 116.43 million on the stockmarket.

The plot thickens..
popcorn.gif
nevil was already working with the dutch police helping them to moniter heroin in the coffeeshop and why do you fools keep protecting nevil you let hightimes influence your goddamn brain nevilgot screwed ? lol nevil screwed you
 
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You have never disagreed with anything I actually said, you have only disagreed with what I said according to others or when you read with your nose.

Are you saying Minister Els Borst was lying?
Vragen gesteld door de leden der Kamer, met de daarop door de regering gegeven antwoorden
Twice?

But the limitation of not having a permit to grow does.



Wernard IS a friend of mine and my friends ARE his friends, who actually helped him start the “first” coffeeshop in the Netherlands, which of course it wasn't, but technically it was the first to get a license in 1976.

Indeed. The previous link didn't work, but he is now European president of the company morningdewd is pushing in another thread and on all the forums. Jerry turns around in his grave. Hope this link works better.
The way Nevil reacted after he was shown these documents is totally understandable, I would have done the same.



Yes, but certainly not the huge amount he is taking now. The Afghan we got from the Russians was thousand times better than his skunk, which was always the cheapest on our menu's. What was good about the skunk was it brought stability to crossings, but that didn't make it unique. Sam can never be a good breeder, because he isn't a good grower.

He and Shanti are in the same camp now by the way. Both of them can't stand in the shadow of Nevil when it comes to breeding, simply because he has a much bigger nose.
 
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mario lap was working with and handling nevil at the time look at zoom and u willsee who he is
 
Wisher619

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mario lap was working with and handling nevil at the time look at zoom and u willsee who he is
wasnt Mario Lap the guy that found out that Dave Watson was an American Spook and helped the dutch shut down Hortifarm?

As far as I have heard Mario Lap isnt bad or good........just someone who worked for the Dutch as a liaison for Cannabis

seems there are 2 sides to the propaganda machine......that is how people like George Soros play things

they own both sides of a movement and play against each other and place big bets that each will loose and then when they do he wins no matter what
Kinda like when he crashed the brittish pound
and from what I have researched Soros was actually backing both Nevil and Dave
so backing both sides
 
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why dont you go look up mario lap resme on zoom and see who he is
 
Wisher619

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why dont you go look up mario lap resme on zoom and see who he is
Director Cannabis Science inc
Pres European division Endocan Corp

worked for Law Enforcement as well as for the Dutch Gov

he also helped Nevil shut down Sam's Hortifarm BV
when Nevil hired him to look into Sam and found he was an "American Spook"
Supposedly Sam came to Nevil and asked to give all the lineage of seeds sold to Aus so the gov can Genetic trace plants and if he did in turn the Aus gov will go easy on him
so he turned to Lap and Lap got Sam shut down
what is the point of Mario Lap and your conspiracy

all of them have worked for the GOV
the World GOV are the largest import/exporters of elicit drugs and Cannabis in the world

just look into
"American Soldiers stand guard in Poppy Fields Afghanistan"
who cares who is bad or good anymore

does it even matter
 
LocalGrowGuy

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Director Cannabis Science inc
Pres European division Endocan Corp

worked for Law Enforcement as well as for the Dutch Gov

he also helped Nevil shut down Sam's Hortifarm BV
when Nevil hired him to look into Sam and found he was an "American Spook"
Supposedly Sam came to Nevil and asked to give all the lineage of seeds sold to Aus so the gov can Genetic trace plants and if he did in turn the Aus gov will go easy on him
so he turned to Lap and Lap got Sam shut down
what is the point of Mario Lap and your conspiracy

all of them have worked for the GOV
the World GOV are the largest import/exporters of elicit drugs and Cannabis in the world

just look into
"American Soldiers stand guard in Poppy Fields Afghanistan"
who cares who is bad or good anymore

does it even matter
Are you sure those aren't carnations?
Afghanpoppy
 
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Mr. Watson/Clarke
if what is stated in this is true then why isn't everyone doing this in the cannabis industry....Seems really easy
Bocsa, I., P. Mathe and L. Hangyel, 1997 Effect of nitrogen on tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content in hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) leaves at different positions. J. Int. Hemp Assoc. 4: 80-81.
Pretty sure you don't mention that.
 
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you can post that all you want you have not addressed anything that i posted i will always be a scapegoat to be used to tell a tantalizing tail you piece together in the end the dirt will come out and ill have your head
 

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