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No way noob, we relativists here on this forum prefer our science served over a heaping bed of woo and pseudo salad. Get with the program Mr. 78 posts :badboy::fire::shockedninja:
LOL go get em HerbNo way noob, we relativists here on this forum prefer our science served over a heaping bed of woo and pseudo salad. Get with the program Mr. 78 posts :badboy::fire::shockedninja:
And @Seamaiden it would appear a "chain" easily yanked......... LOL :)He's yanking your chain.
This. :) The pebble has been snatched!Thing is, if you keep your EC low enough, I can see where the no-flush crowd is coming from.
I'm not sure if plants need as many nutrients as many people think.:)
Welcome to the Farm!!! Nice post BTW. Good to see this thread is still kicking. Yes, you are correct ,there is a veritable cornucopia of cannabis growing information in this site.What an incredible read. I read every single comment for 24 pages. This is my very first post to this site. I'm blown away by the wealth of knowledge being passed around, and I honestly think the debate is a healthy thing. I truly appreciate that there are so many of you extremely experienced farmers who take the time to share your hard earned secrets, successes, and failures. Thank you all.
I do want to compliment the OP @YarraSparra for opening the topic...all the way back in 2014! Boy does this topic have legs (even if some substantial deviations happened along the way)!
I have to say that I'm going to have to join the other fence-sitters on this issue. Perhaps it's due to my lack of years of experience. Perhaps it's because so many (seemingly) valid points have been made on both sides.
@YarraSparra, I read your post and immediately thought "great, so no flush (or deprivation/reduction of nutrients as it may be) whatsoever for me, ever again" but then I've also clearly understood the opposing position. I'd love to hear your voice back on this topic in further defense of your original posting, but maybe you've run out of steam for the debate. Fair enough play, if so.
I'd like to ask a further question of this forum. A lot of this thread has been a back and forth specifically about nutrients and how a flush (or reduction in nutrient levels...as I think this is what is actually being discussed here...not a flush to remove unwanted salts from media) might or might not improve smoke and make for a safer experience. What are the thoughts of the forum for other additives that may, for example, be added to a DWC? Take Hydroguard or SM-90. If something like one or both of these are added to a DWC and not properly flushed, what would be the outcome? Safety concerns or just less appealing smell, taste, etc.?
I've also noted that @YarraSparra has another post regarding curing and the positives of a faster cure. Perhaps my next question is better suited for that thread, but since it was mentioned here by @jumpincactus, I'll go ahead and ask...
Have you (0r anyone else here) seen or tried the 58% RH Bovedas? I just ordered some and they should be here tomorrow. It seems this has replaced their 54% packs that apparently never caught on since they were too low?
Related to the two-way membrane possibly poaching terpenes, would it be better to dry further than ideal (below 58%) and then use the Boveda to bring the RH back up? This way, it's primary function is to add moisture rather than remove it. Would this then stop the poaching of smells?
It seems Boveda suggests to dry a little past prime and then use Boveda to raise RH, but they mention this is best practice simply because it's easier to tell when the Boveda has run it's course when the primary function is to add moisture (http://www.bovedainc.com/solutions/herbal/curing-with-boveda/). In this case, the Boveda pack turns into a hard wafer, whereas when it's primary function is to remove moisture, the Boveda swells but never gets hard and it's difficult to know if it needs to be replaced. The website, however, says nothing about the robbing of smells (right, why would they purposefully out themselves if this really is the case!).
Just wondering what your (and the forum's) thoughts might be.
Sorry for the two unrelated questions.
The second form of flushing is to allegedly increase smokability and taste among other things for the last 2 weeks is based on much "anecdotal" data and to date I have yet to find any scholarly peer reviewed studies that would indicate a flush during the last 2 weeks of flower being required or necessary. My thoughts are and always will be, until such time someone can show me the science to prove this theory, why would we want to limit the nutrients levels to almost nil during one of the most important phases on the plants growth.
ConcurSpeaking to the Boveda paks I just ordered the 58's I am using up my existing stock of the 62's currently. Since they are a 2 way membrane it makes sense that if the erb is dried to below the % of the pak and used to add moisture only, it seems it would limit the "poaching" of terps. I will give this a try to see if it indeed works better with my next harvest.
On your question concerning things added to the rez such as sm90 in my mind I would think any additive if it is capable of being taken up into the plant via the rootzone the minerals or compounds would become incorporated into the plants tissues and once incorporated how then would flushing strip it back out.??? I harken to the old saying "you are what you eat" So to this end, I'm not convinced that flushing does any good at all. Running plain water thru the system cannot remove things already built into the plants tissues. Just my .2 cents
I've never understood why people see the need to maintain PPM's on the hairy edge of nute burn. More is not better. Learn to read your plants. Absent deficiencies, enough is enough. If you poison your grow with high phosphorous "boosters" in flower, then a flush is likely beneficial. What is even more beneficial, is not blasting them with excessive phosphorous in the first place. Reasonable nutes through flower & flush is unnecessary.Thing is, if you keep your EC low enough, I can see where the no-flush crowd is coming from.
I'm not sure if plants need as many nutrients as many people think.:)
To add, if you are growing in a well balanced dialed in living soil grow, there is minimal need for other inputs and certainly no need for a flush. Besides flushing can only partly remove the mobile nutes. The immobile nutes stay fixed in the plant tissue. making for a harsh smoke.I've never understood why people see the need to maintain PPM's on the hairy edge of nute burn. More is not better. Learn to read your plants. Absent deficiencies, enough is enough. If you poison your grow with high phosphorous "boosters" in flower, then a flush is likely beneficial. What is even more beneficial, is not blasting them with excessive phosphorous in the first place. Reasonable nutes through flower & flush is unnecessary.