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Magic Potions, Elixirs, And Myths & Snakeoils Ha Ha Step Inside If You Dare!!!

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Magic Potions, Elixirs, And Myths & Snakeoils Ha Ha Step Inside If You Dare!!!

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#101
MidwestToker said:
Just from my experiences with testing Bio-Ags ful/humix in a side by side. I absolutely saw no difference than my standard hydro nutrients in my hydro set-ups.
From what research I've seen, most state that Fulvics are more attuned to hardwood root system and humics are more attuned to soft wood root systems.
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Thanks for sharing that. Do you know if your nute line contains any humics or fulvics in their blend/ mix?
 
#102
Freshone said:
I'm not sure how reliable this ODA test was,if I remember correctly @Capulator was caught up in this with his OG Biowar,ODA claimed no love and independent university studies refuted their findings,maybe cap will chime in?
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Cool thanks man. Sure would like to see the papers/studies. Do you have any links? peace
 
#103
LocalGrowGuy said:
Almost as bad as asking about powdery mildew on your 'tomatoe' plants and then purchasing 5 cans of dusting sulfur from home depot.

edit- Jumpin, PICNIC means the Problem is In the Chair, Not In the Computer. You don't want to hear that word when you are having IT issues. It's almost as bad as when the girl you're sexing has to spell the word 'run'.
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Am I overly tired or just too stoned?, cause this went right over my head. What are you talking about? Truly confused. Please explain @LocalGrowGuy :)
 
#106
@jumpincactus we sent in samples from two different batches of bennies to two different labs, one in Canada, and one here in the states at West Virgina University. Both labs came back with the same findings. On trichoderma, bacillus and pseudomonas which tested by ODA at 0/0/600 spores per gram, were at too many to count by both third party labs. When asked to send their sample to a third party, first they (ODA) said they didn't have a sample. Then, they said they had some left like a month later. Then they just were dragging their feet. Never sent a lab shit even though I gave them the address and offered to pay the shipping. I badgered them for a couple months and lost interest.

I tell everyone the same thing: OG Biowar is the most concentrated and diverse microbial product line on the market. Period. Recently I heard veg+bloom was trying to talk shit on our root pack saying their product was better and had higher concentrations. All I had to do was compare labels. Not even close.
 
#107
jumpincactus said:
Thanks for sharing that. Do you know if your nute line contains any humics or fulvics in their blend/ mix?
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None in their bases, but they do have it as a additive along with every other additive for what i consider outrages prices. I mean really why pay $30-$40 for a B1 supplement that the plants can produce on their own.
 
#108
Capulator said:
@jumpincactus we sent in samples from two different batches of bennies to two different labs, one in Canada, and one here in the states at West Virgina University. Both labs came back with the same findings. On trichoderma, bacillus and pseudomonas which tested by ODA at 0/0/600 spores per gram, were at too many to count by both third party labs. When asked to send their sample to a third party, first they (ODA) said they didn't have a sample. Then, they said they had some left like a month later. Then they just were dragging their feet. Never sent a lab shit even though I gave them the address and offered to pay the shipping. I badgered them for a couple months and lost interest.

I tell everyone the same thing: OG Biowar is the most concentrated and diverse microbial product line on the market. Period. Recently I heard veg+bloom was trying to talk shit on our root pack saying their product was better and had higher concentrations. All I had to do was compare labels. Not even close.
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Can I use these products in coco I've been wanting to try organic for a while now but it seems to know which is the better 1 I need a PhD in biology I'm just a humble street kid trying to make his way lol
 
#109
mancdank said:
Some one say like a baby's arm :)
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I'm no floral engineer but I think I see a little bit of leaf drop. Do you have a moisture meter?
Thirstymeter

jumpincactus said:
Am I overly tired or just too stoned?, cause this went right over my head. What are you talking about? Truly confused. Please explain @LocalGrowGuy :)
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Buddy is a patient and a grower who doesn't want to tend to his garden, so he needs some babysitting. His first grow a buddy said to use fresh outside air to cool the bloom room and boom, powdery mildew everywhere. He and his grow buddy went to the garden store to ask about powdery mildew on his 'tomato' and house plants, and was correctly recommended to use dusting sulphur on the leaves he said were showing. He didn't mention anything more about the plant. He purchased a shitload of sulfur, applied it, then called me to see why the yellow stuff wasn't washing off so close to harvest. He was flushing just prior to harvest. Then he went to the hydro shop and bought pm wash and another wash and boom, ten pounds of sulfur dusted herb didn't jump off the shelf. That was an expensive harvest to learn that trichomes are sticky.

This was back when the green stuff was not allowed to be spoken at the hydro stores. His rookie status and laziness would have him dependent on the blinky light thing to water instead of maybe perhaps checking the plant and soil. I was poking fun at my past inexperience and current random fuckups.
 
#110
Capulator said:
@jumpincactus we sent in samples from two different batches of bennies to two different labs, one in Canada, and one here in the states at West Virgina University. Both labs came back with the same findings. On trichoderma, bacillus and pseudomonas which tested by ODA at 0/0/600 spores per gram, were at too many to count by both third party labs. When asked to send their sample to a third party, first they (ODA) said they didn't have a sample. Then, they said they had some left like a month later. Then they just were dragging their feet. Never sent a lab shit even though I gave them the address and offered to pay the shipping. I badgered them for a couple months and lost interest.

I tell everyone the same thing: OG Biowar is the most concentrated and diverse microbial product line on the market. Period. Recently I heard veg+bloom was trying to talk shit on our root pack saying their product was better and had higher concentrations. All I had to do was compare labels. Not even close.
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Thanks for chiming in cap,didn't want anyone taking Oregon's testing as gospel!
 
#111
Freshone said:
Thanks for chiming in cap,didn't want anyone taking Oregon's testing as gospel!
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Thanks for sharing that Cap. The topic and discussion wasnt really about your product specifically it was about the product lines in general from many mfgr's. So I want you to know that you were not being singled out. Thanks for your response. :D It always good to get another perspective and experience.
 
#113
jumpincactus said:
Thanks for sharing that Cap. The topic and discussion wasnt really about your product specifically it was about the product lines in general from many mfgr's. So I want you to know that you were not being singled out. Thanks for your response. :D It always good to get another perspective and experience.
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Why do you think I started OG Biowar? ;)
 
#115
Capulator said:
Why do you think I started OG Biowar? ;)
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I thought the same, but I made the assumption based on your knowledge of the product. I guess I am confused as well especially when you were asked and provided a discount code. No worries as my mistake lies with your above-average knowledge in this thread, nothing more. Regardless your input is appreciated, I am looking at a partially used bag of Age Old soluble myco, great white and Xtreme azos, myco, and some teas. Now I want to throw that shit in the trash and stop wasting my money on bullshit. My input comes mostly from here and the shops, and I would love to be spending my money on working products, if I am lighting twenties on fire I'd rather enjoy doing that myself.
No hard feelings.
Capulator said:
I tell everyone the same thing: OG Biowar is the most concentrated and diverse microbial product line on the market. Period. Recently I heard veg+bloom was trying to talk shit on our root pack saying their product was better and had higher concentrations. All I had to do was compare labels. Not even close.
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This got me too.
 
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#116
@LocalGrowGuy if you compare labels, you will see that on many of our species we are 20,000x more concentrated than great white. Our root pack is the equivalent of several products in one (serenade,actinovate, photosynthesis plus, root shield, etc) . Our Nute pack can be compared to mykos and azos together I guess, but our new nute pack has 1000 spores per gram of endo mycos, plus several other strains that are not in either mykos or azos. As far as+LIFE goes, our root pack smashes it on concentrations and on diversity.

There is nothing on the market like the foliar pack. We can't talk about that one, but anyone who is old school here on the farm knows what it does.
 
#117
DrMcSkunkins said:
When would you recommend adding og biowar to teas that will be brewed for 3 to 5 days?
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The root pack and foliar pack are good additions to any tea as they will have microbes that you will not get from compost. It is also good out of the bag just by adding it to some water or nutrient solution. Be careful with long brewed teas as I have heard that diversity can drop over time. That is why we started recommending a shorter brew time. The thing is we are at 5 billion spores per gram of just about every species, so you don't really need more than that. Compost tea is good for more than just microbes. It can provide many essential nutrients as well. You can add it to a 5 day tea no problem, but that is up to your discretion.
 
#119
Psychonaut47 said:
picnic, this saying sounds important, but I'm not familiar with the saying, do you mean the diversity may be an issue...for the price microherd/bennies should be more host specific unless we can prove that the plant encourages different host specific bacteria/fungus at different phases or in different ecology's depending on the pest/threats/ present or benefactors present....I smell patents in the air
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well I mean when discussing IT, we used to have this it literally means: Problem In Chair Not In Computer. Or more simply, user error not technology error.
I think the point of the widespread inclusion is to widen the use cases, how do I know what you are growing? So why would I want to limit you without understanding, and even I did think you grew only one strain of tomato, may be tomorrow you will grow lemon trees, or rye grass, or conifers, or peppers, or ...... and if you grow wild, then how would you rotate your land? Buy another packet? have 90 packets for all the things you might grow, and then how long do you want to keep them? if you use RB you can plant any of the above and more where you have had your legumes or even your MJ the year before....if we could just put one plant in the same spot forever, a single host packet would make more sense, but this isnt being true to nature or reality.
I make very specific inoculations, but these are for massive clients whom have very defined needs, big budgets and a time frame that is mostly immovable. This is not typically the case for most domestic users, but should this mean DU get a watered down product from me? No, it means they get a versatile one. Most every strain we use in our biologicals are at the highest spore count versus other market products. I only add a variety for the sake of not expecting people to A) know what glomus they need for xyz plants and B) buy a single host packet which would still cost the same since the effort isnt vastly different. C) mixed glomus types reduce the cost of production while increasing the diversity.
I know we have the biology right, I am not hoping.
 
#120
Psychonaut47 said:
picnic, this saying sounds important, but I'm not familiar with the saying, do you mean the diversity may be an issue...for the price microherd/bennies should be more host specific unless we can prove that the plant encourages different host specific bacteria/fungus at different phases or in different ecology's depending on the pest/threats/ present or benefactors present....I smell patents in the air
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yes, its already happened bro, I can trap and cultivate bti, but i cant sell you any, someone else has the global rights. Its already happened that nature has been put under the constitution of IP
 
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