The Fat Leaf Breeding Project

[Smerb]

@Sun Valley @MandyJane @Neter Sentra @Smerb plz follow along as this is a 100% Lino Tutorial on the most misunderstood subject on the Farm. This will make you a breeder and not a pollen chucker. We'll go from theory to fact very fast in this lesson on.

Hermy's

This tutorial brings all my "into" courses together to create a beginner Cannabis Breeder.

Anyone else reading ; you will not see this tutorial anywhere else. I am the person who discovered these the hermy in cannabis in the DNA in 1985 before w/o DNA markers. I had shown the hermy gene to acedemia over 10 years ago in Punnet Sqs to only be told I was incorrect. Those smart ppl ate shit when they found out that my charts proved my facts by DNA and what you're about to see as fact is what skill as pass on to you guys as your mentor. I knew what the DNA slab would reveal before the gel was cultured. Dont doubt me on this.

I am the missing link. I can bring the pollen chuckers terms to the geneticist, in database tabular data format ready for analysis. Consulting and instructing is what I do...

What the heck man? Get over yourself. I don't need your lesson. I don't even flower, no pollen chuck. Odd ball who thinks a lot. Farm some weed and smoke it to take you down a level. Your not smarter than everyone calm down, puff.

 

[lino]

What the heck man? Get over yourself. I don't need your lesson. I don't even flower, no pollen chuck. Odd ball who thinks a lot. Farm some weed and smoke it to take you down a level. Your not smarter than everyone calm down, puff.

I didnt mean to offend you, the above ppl that I invited to this thread, are my freinds or ppl who questioned my work as you went to the effort to copy from a Jason King book to say something that I didnt understand the point you were trying to make with the photocopy of Jason King as it verified my work so I didnt get it, I didnt copy any of his work. I copy and paste a cpl paragraph from the internet almost every tutorial to verify what I say more elegantly, but yourself and other ppl I invited commented on the 1 or 2 paragraphs that I use on occasion. So I tagged you guys in so you could see my completely , unfilter, all me, no copy&paste, lesson.
""Get over myself,""
I do say often in a challenging way, Plz show me where another person is instruction cannabis as deep as I go. I stopped going into DNA Slabs, abortion ratio's, GMO enzyme treatments, Embryo Rescue (My Expertise) , Gene transfers, Where no nowhere near G13 experiments, no hormones, I mean common , Im showing shit we all saw in grade skool, Minus what I think is cool , applying cannabis to our Grade Skool experiments. This is elementary Watson.

Pollen Chucker, that was below the belt, my apologies, I'm challenging all these breeders to reveal their charts,,, Everyone's all top secret, so I'm showing homies how the own the parents of the offspring, breaking the secret breeding code is all I'm showing peeps.

Sending you a TAG was my way of reaching out to you in friendship, but the pollen chucker comment,,, I worded that messed up,,,

lol, look what was on my table where peeps who bong and dab here are next to, and my point, these books dont have what I instruct either. We break down these strains genetics on this thread and I thought that would interest you.

 

[Smerb]

I didnt mean to offend you, the above ppl that I invited to this thread, are my freinds or ppl who questioned my work as you went to the effort to copy from a Jason King book to say something that I didnt understand the point you were trying to make with the photocopy of Jason King as it verified my work so I didnt get it, I didnt copy any of his work. I copy and paste a cpl paragraph from the internet almost every tutorial to verify what I say more elegantly, but yourself and other ppl I invited commented on the 1 or 2 paragraphs that I use on occasion. So I tagged you guys in so you could see my completely , unfilter, all me, no copy&paste, lesson.
""Get over myself,""
I do say often in a challenging way, Plz show me where another person is instruction cannabis as deep as I go. I stopped going into DNA Slabs, abortion ratio's, GMO enzyme treatments, Embryo Rescue (My Expertise) , Gene transfers, Where no nowhere near G13 experiments, no hormones, I mean common , Im showing shit we all saw in grade skool, Minus what I think is cool , applying cannabis to our Grade Skool experiments. This is elementary Watson.

Pollen Chucker, that was below the belt, my apologies, I'm challenging all these breeders to reveal their charts,,, Everyone's all top secret, so I'm showing homies how the own the parents of the offspring, breaking the secret breeding code is all I'm showing peeps.

Sending you a TAG was my way of reaching out to you in friendship, but the pollen chucker comment,,, I worded that messed up,,,

lol, look what was on my table where peeps who bong and dab here are next to, and my point, these books dont have what I instruct either. We break down these strains genetics on this thread and I thought that would interest you.
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It's nice to see more newer info. Maybe you don't think so,but I personally have just as much knowledge as you. A lot of people do. Can you give in to that? I do. I've collected herb magazines for 20 or less years. Your books are filled with knowledge. I took a lot of the little details given away over the years in mags and my own experiences. Jason king?

 

[Smerb]

I never went to Jason Kings book and copied and pasted anything. You got that wrong man. I'd rather shoutout Somas work.

 

[Smerb]

My info came from a treating yourself mag, it was a small paragraph about the jilly bean. And space queen.not a big deal

 

[lino]

I never went to Jason Kings book and copied and pasted anything. You got that wrong man. I'd rather shoutout Somas work.

I dont have a clue what you're talking about, but plz ,, more info show us info, we're thirsty, I have many who I mentor and we luv cannabis brain cookies, plz instruct for us, my most popular saying, I will learn more from you.

 

[lino]

My info came from a treating yourself mag, it was a small paragraph about the jilly bean. And space queen.not a big deal

My online Pro Classes have tore apart Subcool 2005-2007 earlier work, in the pics are both his early genes, but he lost it with the latter gear, in the pics are 100's of breeders work where my students made copies of all the parents to these strains. I have 1000's of strains also and I shared 1970's strains that are abut to be tore apart by some of the CaveCrew420 . So as I speak we're still tearing apart genes, I'm watching and adding my 2 cents to help ppl work with Purples, and my 45 years of work is being put into a seed banks that is about to be shared with the people of these projects where I'm now the apprentice watching them.

Pics of breeding pedigree from Top to Bottom, landrace or parents ascending F1 down

We have 1000's of crosses and have separated parents of strain dating way back. We have 1000's of strain still waiting to be posted on linoLatte.com.

 

[Smerb]

I dont have a clue what you're talking about, but plz ,, more info show us info, we're thirsty, I have many who I mentor and we luv cannabis brain cookies, plz instruct for us, my most popular saying, I will learn more from you.

You stated I took a post from Jason Kings book. I don't have his book.
I'm down to sit back and learn also. I had an argument recently with a buddy about MH and HPS lights.
Japan. All I remember at the moment. Bulbs and accoustic resonance. I might not have spelled that correctly. I'm the guy that doesn't waste time fucking up. Just vegging and making edibles lately. Helping folks out with clones. With epilepsy I have lost most of what comes in these days, regarding info. I still have my brain full of old ideas And ways. Your seed stock is really beautiful. I'll Catch up with you as much as possible. Ten420

 

[Smerb]

Back in the days we never decarbed weed. Why should I change my old process? One person told me one thing, what ya think?

 

[Psychonaut47]

I have not read threw everything but is Breeder c the hemp breeder, the tank top guy...he caught my attention but in that whole hermy discussion no one mentioned pollinating there breeder with their hands from breaking up, rolling, handling hermy flowers...in other words, if indeed a Homozygous plant exist it can still be tainted with random pollen in the air or on pets or piggy backing off aphids or fungus gnats or your fingers from all the hermy flowers around being handled and smoked...
Ps
Little side note can of worms about cross pollination and tainted genes...there's a rumor going around here saying there is a species of Pine tree that can pollinate cannabis, so it begs the question can hops or other related plants pollinate cannabis and create these aborted babies often found clinging to the bottom of the hair in the calyx.

Apologies for the lack of scientific terms, but I'm interested in learning also.
Peace and pollen chucker grease

 

[lino]

I have not read threw everything but is Breeder c the hemp breeder, the tank top guy...he caught my attention but in that whole hermy discussion no one mentioned pollinating there breeder with their hands from breaking up, rolling, handling hermy flowers...in other words, if indeed a Homozygous plant exist it can still be tainted with random pollen in the air or on pets or piggy backing off aphids or fungus gnats or your fingers from all the hermy flowers around being handled and smoked...
Ps
Little side note can of worms about cross pollination and tainted genes...there's a rumor going around here saying there is a species of Pine tree that can pollinate cannabis, so it begs the question can hops or other related plants pollinate cannabis and create these aborted babies often found clinging to the bottom of the hair in the calyx.

Apologies for the lack of scientific terms, but I'm interested in learning also.
Peace and pollen chucker grease

absolutely, Breeder (D) claimed 100% Feminized Females with self pollination to a True Female, Homozygous. Many scientist uses 99.9 % instead of 100% for cross contamination pollen reasoning.

I feel IMO, Breeder (C) was very accurate and his tests showed 96% female to male rates. All those guys in the video had lots of experience in breeding, that was intriguing to watch real bad azz pollen chuckers/breeders discuss some of those issues,

After the discovery of the MeGI and DOI , It pisses me off to know end, I can hardly talk to her, but my cousin and all the idiots that told me I was wrong about the Hermy genes, the smug PHd's get all the credit for the discovery and only one sentence mentions me and it does say that I opened the door to research to this discovery in some science journals.
I do get satisfaction in that because of me, the ENTIRE cannabeceae family will be corrected with improper classification of Hemp, hemp will be reclassified. And the very ppl the Gov classification name Hemp was created to prosecute was meant to cause legal harm to bud smokers, Pot smokers will probably keep calling some cannabis plants hemp but I think it will become a Common Name and not the Scientific Name at the next convention of plant scientist,
http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php


Pine tree that can pollinate cannabis,
That is more than a rumor:
The naming is significant because it will help Identify plants that are related cannabis. I knew the first time I saw only 2 plants in the cannabeceae Family, Hops & Cannabis That was wrong, ,,.. After research it was plain as day what happened, Scientist changed the naming scientific naming convention to separate hemp for court purposes.
But it is even harder to figure, long time ago scientist classified Indian Hemp, Cannabinus into genus Cannabis, the indians tried to tell the wht invaders it was Not pot but Long time ago the cannabis family tree got messed up.
However because of the discovery of the Hermy genes the cannabeceae family is going thru a complete redo . And yrs ago I taked of a new type of Cannabis that I have from Alaska, comes back year after year, in 2005 its reported that researchers at the Canberra Institute of Technology had identified a new type of Cannabis based on analysis of mitocondria and DNA. The New Scientist story, which was picked up by many news agencies and web sites, indicated that the research was to be published in the journal Forensic Science International. Well see on this one what happens, I'm still waiting to see, I say its pot cuz it gets you high, pot smoker takes a hit and say I dont need no scientist to tell me that bud,,, And I knew my homozzygous Chinese and Thiland/Nam plants that would put buds on the roof of a 2 story house, just to unusual and stable to be heterozygos so I guessed it, well now it looks like the old naming convention will return to science again with Cannabis chinensis Delile, and Cannabis gigantea Delile ex Vilmorin and more are coming, to cool,
So YES, I saw this in a science jornal yrs ago, there is very high likelihood that a related pine if I remember correctly but dont quote me on that Yet and there are some berry bushes and vines that are coming to the Cannabis Tree, It still takes some work to cross pollinate out of the cannabis family tho, but it opens the doors to many cool grafts that are possibilities also... Yes there are plenty of new experiments to be performed.

 

[epitome]

@epitome - luved that video, ck this out,,, your timing for sending me that video couldnt have been better!

In my last tutorial you were taught how ratios, seed % was a direct indicator of how the plant was bred and who the parents are. We used ratio's to prove Geneology and to determine Dom and Rec genes in cannabis and other plants also. Students will prove its existence of the hermaphrodite plant and we will learn how to turn it off and on without chemicals.

Before I begin. I will be walking away from this site with to much To Do's.

I'm pretty sure that the video i just watched has renowned THCFarmer breeders so I;m not posting the video as not to offend these great breeders and it was a long video also. The debate was a radio pod cast with ppl like DJ Shorts and bad azz breeders calling in.
I found the attitude of the these True Pro Cannabis Breeders on the radio were more professional to each other opinions than listing to scientist debate.
I watched this youTube of some of the better cannabis breeders out there. Far more experienced/kinda than myself in that they've been able to work with larger numbers than I have and they are more networked to other breeders than I,, as where I stay to myself. They werent old enough to have worked with some of the ol skool originals but those breeders have worked with the ol skool landraces so they are very experienced. you could tell their confident talk and tests came from large numbers of cannabis plants that they had bred.
These very good breeders could not explain the DNA and how to breed cannabis with any terminology that allowed for a structured debate. Had anyone of them open a science book took notes and applied themselves to science of plant propagation there would have been no debate. And plz, no one take any offense as to see the answer to the questions to see what we know.

Self Pollinated Seed Debate

• Would you make seed SilverNitrate (self pollenated plants).?
• Does Self Pollinated Seed produce 100% female plants?
• the discussion touched on the offspring from the Freaks of nature (fem seeds).
• LOL, cuz I'm your mentor I know all my students can already prove to these great breeders the answers. My 3rd graders can show them the answers. You know the answers guys and girls, its in your Punnet Charts as your about to discover. thk me later, btw, this Punnet that we will build proves the existence of the MeGI & DOI DNA con sed Hermaphrodite sequence, AND WE WILL MARK IT WITHOUT CREATING A DNA GEL SLAB!
• Now my students will be able to explain with science what is happening in their debate.

Breeder (D) has opened can of worms. He says his Fem Seeds FROM HIS FEMALE are 100% Female. Other Breeders claim you can get a Male in giant crops. (D) explains that it is impossible with no Male (XY) to pollinate no (Y) was contributed so ONLY (XX) exist. (D) claims in his words "a True Female" produces all Females, Bingo that's your chart clue rite there.

Breeder (C) is a hemp and exotic cannabis breeder working with, I guesstimate over 4000 plants and 100's strains. (C) says very confidently that he gets 4 males out of 100 plants that can be male or turn male, Hermy, from Self Pollinated seeds.
We have been very confused by Gay PC, so much that we easily get confused on this breeding dilemma, For those of you who have follow me on the Hermy Gene's in humans SRY con sed and in Cannabis the hermy gene exact copy, its named MeGI and its switch is the DOI genes. So now your about to see that I known for almost 20 yrs of from an experiment that my father taught my on the farm back in the 70's. 3 way genes like the hairless gene and other 3 way switch gens are transitional , they can change state, wtf change Geneotypes , how? I'll show you with charts. btw. this would be your intro to Sexed Link Breeding but I'm out of here after this one.

Breeder (B) again with extreme confidence in his eyes and this guy, is and has ran 1000's of plant in cannabis breeding regimes, another Bad Azz Breeder, trust me on that, say that dam hermy exist in all the cannabis, cannabis plants can pop a hermy in extremes and with chemicals.

Breeder (A) has bred cannabis in Amsterdam and is very Experienced in breeding cannabis, trust me on that. He does not want Any hermy traits in his breeding program. Breeder (A) will not use Fem Seed stock for breeding. My Jr H skool student already see the punnet in their minds, know the ratio's from this protocal and can show you this in charts as we will do in this tutorial. We'll build breeding charts for this breeding regime also. Did this guy eliminate the Hermy gene? My grade skool kids scream the answer, Its like asking ; What color is G.Washington white horse? Yell see in the next few post if I'll get some question or interactions.

Which renowned breeder is Wrong and Who is correct? D, C, B, or A ?
None of them, all of them 2 of them, who is rite&wrong?

I'm unsure about right and wrong but I agree with C and I'm caught offgaurd by Mr. Souls confidence but he's one of my favorite breeders so I am biased in wanting to believe him but I'm doubting the 100% female seed with zero potential of self ed seeds is very BOLD. Biggest crop of hemp I've helped with was well over 3,000 and most from seed but even some clones of "proven" genetics through nanners....maybe it's time to do the American thing and change the hermy name or add names to categorise the severity of unwanted "selfed" "hermy" seeds...I don't know but this post makes me want to go back and start from the beginning of this thread and brush up on my 3rd grade DNA understanding...

 

[epitome]

I have not read threw everything but is Breeder c the hemp breeder, the tank top guy...he caught my attention but in that whole hermy discussion no one mentioned pollinating there breeder with their hands from breaking up, rolling, handling hermy flowers...in other words, if indeed a Homozygous plant exist it can still be tainted with random pollen in the air or on pets or piggy backing off aphids or fungus gnats or your fingers from all the hermy flowers around being handled and smoked...
Ps
Little side note can of worms about cross pollination and tainted genes...there's a rumor going around here saying there is a species of Pine tree that can pollinate cannabis, so it begs the question can hops or other related plants pollinate cannabis and create these aborted babies often found clinging to the bottom of the hair in the calyx.

Apologies for the lack of scientific terms, but I'm interested in learning also.
Peace and pollen chucker grease

Don't be modest, your not a pollenchucker! Your a nanner chucker lol, have a good one unc!

 

[Smerb]

Back in the days we never decarbed weed. Why should I change my old process? One person told me one thing, what ya think?

@lino , you got an answer?

 

[lino]

@lino , you got an answer?

Had to lookup decarb. Its been my understanding that terpene will not be aval,mobility, until above 180'. But that not my expertise at all.

 

[lino]

I'm unsure about right and wrong but I agree with C and I'm caught offgaurd by Mr. Souls confidence but he's one of my favorite breeders so I am biased in wanting to believe him but I'm doubting the 100% female seed with zero potential of self ed seeds is very BOLD. Biggest crop of hemp I've helped with was well over 3,000 and most from seed but even some clones of "proven" genetics through nanners....maybe it's time to do the American thing and change the hermy name or add names to categorise the severity of unwanted "selfed" "hermy" seeds...I don't know but this post makes me want to go back and start from the beginning of this thread and brush up on my 3rd grade DNA understanding...

Mr soul was right EXCEPT, BUT,You're rite about the 100% thing, Cannabis is bred like humans, hard to find a pure breed.
Grade skool DNA
We didnt didnt have DNA lessons like these kids now days. I had to google and waste lot of money learning how to DNA mark. and I still dont what the hell I'm doing, get the smart ppl over here and they aint much help either. All of sudden they go stupid on me when I got questions.
Mr Soul is on the rite track BUT,,, Im still researching this but I think Breeder (D) ,Soul, and breeder (A) , altho there F1's will be darlings,,, they're creating ticking hermy time bombs. Follow Me folks, in due time we will build the charts to see, I seriously havnt proven this yet in the lab or even in a hand drawn punnet and pedigree chart, I did it in my head,,, and Ive been wrong before until I put on paper so we'll soon see but I pretty sure that both Breeders (A) & (D) are breeding toward homozygous hermy's, If they breed a Dom or you get a Hemry Dom seed that you breed with these seeds (hits a crop or plant with either (hh) FEMALE or a (HH) Fem you're creating hermy monsters that hard to see until its to late. The monster is in the males also and you could never know it until its to late and maybe even generation later. You could be breeding a awesome plant with a Rec hermy and it could easily Hermy Dom and you wont know until a crop throws almost all Herms that are bad. We'll build the charts and see it this is true, I'm pretty sure of what we'll see.
The wrong father to these Herm seeds could be a disaster.

 

[lino]

. Biggest crop of hemp I've helped with was well over 3,000 and most from seed but even some clones of "proven" genetics through nanners....maybe it's time to do the American thing and change the hermy name or add names to categorise the severity of unwanted "selfed" "hermy" seeds....

Levels of Hermy's is best described by the greek Gods, Level of Gay. The weird sex stories with even weird strange offspring the Greeks used words that we use in science to best describe level of Hermy's zygotes, Dom, Rec, and pretty soon you can tell how gay the organism is and we can even chart that to know the ratio of gay traits in the offspring, we can do that, I'm trying to teach farmers this on this thread, My Hermy Ethics tutorial was banned so I just touch the surface of - teach gay to Farmers , Farmer dont know the American terms for herms.

 

[GrowGod]

@lino , you got an answer?

The product can carry botulism before decarbing. Do I need to say more ? LoL

 

[Farmer P]

I believe it's even more complicated than knowing what genes you have. I believe all living organisms probably have many possibilities that no on knows about because they haven't done the proper experiments (which could possibly be endless) to see all the possibilities. Follow me. Remember I mentioned before the possibility of getting more herms because of causing herms on purpose over and over. There are what they call master switches that turn on and off certain genes. (and there may be many more possibilities than just on and off) Cave fish that live in the dark eventually lose their eyeballs. Many would call this evolution. I do not! I believe that possibility was always there and the circumstances that the fish grew in (darkness) caused that master switch to change the expression of certain genes. If it was evolution that would infer that there were mutations. No! There were no mutations. It was just another one of the possibly endless gene combinations (expressions) that are available to all organisms. I watched a lecture by a zoologist that said if you leave cockroaches in the dark after a few generations they will also lose their eyeballs. But if you bring them back to light they will eventually get their eyes back. Written into the code. I saw a documentary that showed that on an island all the dinosaur fossils were miniaturized. They said it was because they didn't need to be big on that island so over time they shrank. Mutation? No! Already written into the DNA code. The designer built the possibilities into the organisms so they would be able to adapt. So the old nature/nurture argument comes out again. There is a lot more to it than just what you'll find on your charts. All the computing power in the universe probably couldn't figure out every possibility.

 

[Farmer P]

Edit to above post:
I'm not saying at all that it is not worthwhile to do what you're doing. Just because the possibilities may be endless because of time and environment doesn't mean you can't get a lot of very useful information by studying genealogy. We usually try to keep our environments pretty stable anyways especially when growing indoors. Keep up the good work! And keep the lessons coming so we can get our minds boggled and expanded lol.