Why The Hate For Cheap Leds?

[MW7945]

$833 for a "440 Watt" light seems pretttty steep even for the high-end market

 

[EventHorizan]

$833 for a "440 Watt" light seems pretttty steep even for the high-end market

For real!
But he let me test drive it for free so I said hell to the Ya!
He wants 450 for it..
I got her in the tent so we will see

 

[EventHorizan]

Very interesting title for the thread. :)

Great cannabis can be grown with cheap leds, cfl, mh, hps etc. All the more dependent on genetics, soil or grow system/style. But at the end of the day as far as yield goes hid is still king of the hill, but leds are fast nipping hid at the buds, (no pun)

I see a day when everyone will be using leds as it would be a no brainer not to use em. When the ppfd and par and yield get there it would be ignorant not to use em. They run cooler and cheaper and when leds start generating the yields hid does, everyone will jump on board.

After watching my bros grow under the fluence spyderXplus and yes it is a pricey unit, but he is slaying it with this setup in a 6 x 6 tent. you arent going to get these specs from amazon or the chinese for sure.
PPF: 1410 µmol/s
PPFD: (μmol/m2/s): 909 avg | 1022 max | 664 min

I will post his harvest yields and strains in a few weeks harvest is close and should have some dried weights. My next purchase will be this light. I am hoping it comes down another 3-4 a pop tho............. Hard to spend that kind of cash when I got perfectly good digital ballasts and lamps already paid for :D

I didnt read your whole post earlier.. U make some excellent points and I totally agree with everything you just Said!

 

[Monster762]

 

[Monster762]

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Just quick comparison. The top is a $150 led bottom $900 led. Top actually has same amount red as bottom has total leds. 3w leds on both and the bottom "better unit " doesn't even list the actual spectrum output. But bottom does actually draw less watts from wall by less than 10 watts.

 

[h4ppyf4rmer]

Just quick comparison. The top is a $150 led bottom $900 led. Top actually has same amount red as bottom has total leds. 3w leds on both and the bottom "better unit " doesn't even list the actual spectrum output. But bottom does actually draw less watts from wall by less than 10 watts.

not sure I'd believe the "6 square meters" coverage statement from the first one but they do look comparable.

 

[Monster762]

not sure I'd believe the "6 square meters" coverage statement from the first one but they do look comparable.

Yeah I think 6 sq meters is bull too but at least the Walmart special actually lists the amount of red to other colors and the nm numbers of colors. The $900 kind just says " perfect spectrum". And nowhere does the kind say it wasn't made in china also. I have the top one in a 4x4 with t5 hos on outsides of it with 3000k bulbs staggered. I'll see how it flowers.

 

[h4ppyf4rmer]

Yeah I think 6 sq meters is bull too but at least the Walmart special actually lists the amount of red to other colors and the nm numbers of colors. The $900 kind just says " perfect spectrum". And nowhere does the kind say it wasn't made in china also. I have the top one in a 4x4 with t5 hos on outsides of it with 3000k bulbs staggered. I'll see how it flowers.

sounds like a solid plan to me...

 

[EventHorizan]

Yeah I think 6 sq meters is bull too but at least the Walmart special actually lists the amount of red to other colors and the nm numbers of colors. The $900 kind just says " perfect spectrum". And nowhere does the kind say it wasn't made in china also. I have the top one in a 4x4 with t5 hos on outsides of it with 3000k bulbs staggered. I'll see how it flowers.

If they b.s. about some things then they are full of shit all the way around!

 

[EventHorizan]

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Personally I wouldn't buy either one of them lights.

 

[Monster762]

If they b.s. about some things then they are full of shit all the way around!

The fact the kind " name brand" light doesn't even list any specs tells me it's worse. If it's listed than technically it has to do the listed spec or it be false advertising. By not listing they aren't lying." Perfect spectrum" is how kind has it listed. Perfect for what though? I'm sure it's perfect for something like maybe a book light. My past I've always seen halide for veg hps for bloom. That was standard. But the new wave is led. And maybe there is flaws especially at this stage. They are all rolling dice at this point until they actually get the technology mastered. I just don't personally see the difference in end results to back the more expensive ones.

 

[PhatNuggz]

Best bang for yer buckz...plc 6
Pacificlightingconcepts
I dont think you can find more par/ppfd for 799.00
8 bonez for top tier led.SHAZAM!!!!!

PAR is just one component. What about McCree?

 

[EventHorizan]

The fact the kind " name brand" light doesn't even list any specs tells me it's worse. If it's listed than technically it has to do the listed spec or it be false advertising. By not listing they aren't lying." Perfect spectrum" is how kind has it listed. Perfect for what though? I'm sure it's perfect for something like maybe a book light. My past I've always seen halide for veg hps for bloom. That was standard. But the new wave is led. And maybe there is flaws especially at this stage. They are all rolling dice at this point until they actually get the technology mastered. I just don't personally see the difference in end results to back the more expensive ones.

Oh without a doubt the kind light is better!!
The cheap one will run hotter, the diodes will burn out quicker. Repair and replacement will be non existent with the cheap one. But the kind light is over prices by 50% at min... There are much better choices.
I would rather spend a few dollars on 200 watt cob before 200 on a 600 watt cheap fixture.

 

[Monster762]

Oh without a doubt the kind light is better!!
The cheap one will run hotter, the diodes will burn out quicker. Repair and replacement will be non existent with the cheap one. But the kind light is over prices by 50% at min... There are much better choices.
I would rather spend a few dollars on 200 watt cob before 200 on a 600 watt cheap fixture.

I think I will eventually build a good setup. With stuff that is reliable and lasts. But I'm not going to pay crazy for a system that doesn't really prove its worth. Building one is the way. I'm pretty good hands on building things and designing.

 

[MW7945]

In reference to the comparison, with Kind you're paying for two things. The programmable feature, and the name. I don't think I'd ever buy a unit that was expensive that didn't use COB's. IMO, and I'm still new to this so maybe I'm wrong, but the programmable feature is kind of useless. I get in nature the sun power is going to gradually go up to a peak and go back down, but we're growing indoors.

 

[EventHorizan]

In reference to the comparison, with Kind you're paying for two things. The programmable feature, and the name. I don't think I'd ever buy a unit that was expensive that didn't use COB's. IMO, and I'm still new to this so maybe I'm wrong, but the programmable feature is kind of useless. I get in nature the sun power is going to gradually go up to a peak and go back down, but we're growing indoors.

It seems like it would be a really cool feature, but im not paying 400 more for it and there name... So I agree with you here!

 

[MW7945]

It's no doubt a cool feature, but you can get chinese units with the same exact programming for 1/4 of the cost tbh. I get companies need to make money, that's a given. But damn. I've kicked around starting a LED company, just working on pricing and so on. If you want to be an honest company and charge a fair price while using the best internals, units won't be cheap. But, there's a big difference between a light that looks high end, and a light that is high end.

I'm just curious how much people care about the aesthetics of the light. They wouldn't be too hard to make by hand, it's essentially down to cutting out a manufacturer and sourcing all of your parts from the US. Shipping from China is not cheap when units weigh what they do

 

[EventHorizan]

It's no doubt a cool feature, but you can get chinese units with the same exact programming for 1/4 of the cost tbh. I get companies need to make money, that's a given. But damn. I've kicked around starting a LED company, just working on pricing and so on. If you want to be an honest company and charge a fair price while using the best internals, units won't be cheap. But, there's a big difference between a light that looks high end, and a light that is high end.

Im with out a doubt that the kind light is of high caliber..
We just know that it would be 10x more intelligent to build our own cob array so we can place the cobs at what ever distance and spacing we feel like, therefore allowing the heat to be dissipated more evenly throught out the room as well as the light.

 

[MW7945]

Im with out a doubt that the kind light is of high caliber..
We just know that it would be 10x more intelligent to build our own cob array so we can place the cobs at what ever distance and spacing we feel like, therefore allowing the heat to be dissipated more evenly throught out the room as well as the light.

I got the viparspectras for my first run because I had no idea wtf I was doing. Will likely just sell them (or more likely keep them solely for vegging) and make my own CXB3590 system for my second run. I guess after doing a LOT of research 3w and 5w led's really don't excite me.

I did notice a few weeks ago though --- Viparspectra's 300w has seemingly vanished? Hasn't been on Amazon for a while now and that was their highest selling unit. I really don't know how they can make profit at the numbers they sell at though. I'd be surprised if these lights would've lasted me a full year

 

[h4ppyf4rmer]

Here's the thing about COBs in COB frames: I can put up to 5 COBs on one RapidLED frame that's 45" long, I can then put as many frames as I want that will fit in a tent. I can then raise and lower each frame as needed depending on the heights of the plants across the tent. If you're doing a scrog, it won't really matter, but I'm just growing individual plants that grow in height differently so it's nice to adjust the heights of the individual frames. My current configuration is 6 rows of 3 COBs which are currently not all at the same height };-)