Council Of First Knowledge, Jedi Temple Training Facility

[Wisher619]

I lurked onto this. I did work at a tree Nursery where this practice was used. I would be a little more hesitant when using it on consumable plant. I think that a spinosad dip would be effective. It's a larvacidal bacterium found in distilled rum. It is an endotoxin found in the flea pill known as Comfortis. Harmless to beneficial insects as well as mammals

Another awesome option that I have found would be a ritha (soap berry) solution. You can purchase certain nuts pre powdered or you can hand crush them or powder them using a Magic Bullet. Crushing by hand I would recommend about 10 nuts per gallon. If you powderize could use one teaspoon per gallon.

I agree I wouldnt use this on a plant that was gonna go into flower
as I always clone out....as in allow the plant to grow and clone out
bleach is pretty harmless once evaporated but I dont like residue on my consumable plants
but as well I also use spinosad

just depends on where it is commin from

believe it or not
I out maneuvered pm
I snipped from a pm covered plant and washed the entire clone in bleach solution
then cloned once rooted and growing I cloned the very top of the plant washing in bleach....3rd gen pm was gone.....never exibited it again

 

[Pain Releaf]

your friend is wrong..
Sorry..
I do know of people running big rooms, that like to exhaust out there room at lights off,
for a few mins...
They think/like it gives them a reset of the environment at lights on, with c02 infusion..
I have heard of ppl using c02 and exhausting. In my mind, that is ass backwards and ignorant,,,
but maybe some other outside environment might have a diff effect..
but i recommend if you live in normal conditions, I wouldnt use c02 and exhaust the room continuously..
And yes the carbon filter just sits in the room exhausting right back in the room.

Ok thanks Events!

I am not sorry actually, I am glad he was wrong, lol.

Otherwise I have been gathering a defective list of equipment and minor materials! So that means with a few more components and some work prior to the 18th (sponal surgery day again on the neck) i am getting almost within striking distance of sealing things up. Going to take a real push between now and the 17th.

As I see it there are minimal reasons not to seal the room and several benefits.

Since I already own the CO2 tank and regulator, and because I can easily provide the plants with over 60o PAR, CO2 would probably benefit then, right?

(I am using "them" here generically, not necessarily referring to the 6 sickly plants but more those that will come later.)

PLUS even running the humidistat on my humidifier, it isn't upping the RH more than 2% so far. I can only guess it is probably because I have the door to the shop open to help keep thing cool (hos hoods ate currently open) until I can get the light ventilation installed over the next several days.

So even after I do that I am guessing that sealing the room will give the humidifier *and* the CO2 regulator an easier time getting things to optimal level and keeping them study.

Feel free to let me know if there is a flaw in my reasoning somewhere there. :)

 

[brazel]

I would agree with that if I had to choose off the top of my head..
But dont the cobs have instructions on what gauge of wire to use?

I would use what is recommended. If its 16 or bigger Ga then your good..
but wire is cheap enuf at that Ga, and having wire you can work with, would be my goal..
Did you get the wago connectors?

16g is way overkill, I prefer it cause it's easy for me to work with. Most use smaller.

 

[EventHorizan]

Ok thanks Events!

I am not sorry actually, I am glad he was wrong, lol.

Otherwise I have been gathering a defective list of equipment and minor materials! So that means with a few more components and some work prior to the 18th (sponal surgery day again on the neck) i am getting almost within striking distance of sealing things up. Going to take a real push between now and the 17th.

As I see it there are minimal reasons not to seal the room and several benefits.

Since I already own the CO2 tank and regulator, and because I can easily provide the plants with over 60o PAR, CO2 would probably benefit then, right?

(I am using "them" here generically, not necessarily referring to the 6 sickly plants but more those that will come later.)

PLUS even running the humidistat on my humidifier, it isn't upping the RH more than 2% so far. I can only guess it is probably because I have the door to the shop open to help keep thing cool (hos hoods ate currently open) until I can get the light ventilation installed over the next several days.

So even after I do that I am guessing that sealing the room will give the humidifier *and* the CO2 regulator an easier time getting things to optimal level and keeping them study.

Feel free to let me know if there is a flaw in my reasoning somewhere there. :)

nawp,,,
I think you nailed it,
lol
7th paragraph, first sentence...

As for spinal surgery on your neck,,,
prayers are with you brother!
Im sure somewhere in my 60"s if I live that long, Some Dr will want to hack on me...
I wish there was more I could do to help you before the big day to get you squared away
and there will be better days ahead...
I say that not only do you apply the teaching you gave me about over zealous recovery tactics, but you also apply the teachings I gave you, not only in your garden, but in your life for the next 120 days...

KISS..........................................
Keep It Simple Stupid

 

[EventHorizan]

Size Amps
12 gauge 30
14 gauge 25
16 gauge 18
18 gauge 16
20 gauge 11
22 gauge 7
24 gauge 3.5
26 gauge 2.2

 

[EventHorizan]

16g is way overkill, I prefer it cause it's easy for me to work with. Most use smaller.

oh i agree..
It looks as most like 23 ga solid wire,
and some like 18 ga stranded...

 

[bicky studs]

Post pic.
Thhn is common wire, 16g is good, solid wire or stranded, both work one flex the other stiff.
This is just what I'd go with, there's other ways.

no point in a pic the numbers i wrote are all there is apart from some german. it does say not for lighting tho.....?:drunk2: but that wont mean much here, write stupid stuff on everything ,
inside its 1.5mm solid copper... stiff, if u bend it it doesnt spring back
as far as i know the thicker it is the less resistance you get.

 

[bicky studs]

on a table i found it said 1.5mm would be between 13 n 14ga

 

[bicky studs]

same as wats in a stiff extensioncord x3

 

[Organikz]

I agree I wouldnt use this on a plant that was gonna go into flower
as I always clone out....as in allow the plant to grow and clone out
bleach is pretty harmless once evaporated but I dont like residue on my consumable plants
but as well I also use spinosad

just depends on where it is commin from

believe it or not
I out maneuvered pm
I snipped from a pm covered plant and washed the entire clone in bleach solution
then cloned once rooted and growing I cloned the very top of the plant washing in bleach....3rd gen pm was gone.....never exibited it again

One thing that concerns me is the complete sterilization. We look at all bacteria as bad however plants as well as humans depend on lactobacillus and many other beneficial bacteria that protect us from pathogens. The first chapter of teaming with microbes has an analogy that best describes it. "A thief in an empty market may steal as he please." I know even you rely on bacteria to assist your plant in many metabolic processes. Enzymes and amino acids are the building blocks for assimilation of DNA. Believe it or not your plants aquire these from bacteria acting on organic matter, carbohydrates, even minerals. Its why yeast reacts when you add sugar.

Chlorine goes against everything involving microbiology. I believe they greatly benefit all growers of any style.

Here's where I would agree with a dip. I wouldn't bleach substrate. 3 buckets...bleach solution>ice water>warm water. It should be done quickly. This was only done with fresh cuttings but these were collected from fields at the tree nursery.

 

[bicky studs]

I would agree with that if I had to choose off the top of my head..
But dont the cobs have instructions on what gauge of wire to use?

I would use what is recommended. If its 16 or bigger Ga then your good..
but wire is cheap enuf at that Ga, and having wire you can work with, would be my goal..
Did you get the wago connectors?

got the wagos.
ive got some lying around too
they say 1-2.5mm, i guess it'll depend if it fits the cob connectors:sweating:

 

[Pain Releaf]

nawp,,,
I think you nailed it,
lol
7th paragraph, first sentence...

As for spinal surgery on your neck,,,
prayers are with you brother!
Im sure somewhere in my 60"s if I live that long, Some Dr will want to hack on me...
I wish there was more I could do to help you before the big day to get you squared away
and there will be better days ahead...
I say that not only do you apply the teaching you gave me about over zealous recovery tactics, but you also apply the teachings I gave you, not only in your garden, but in your life for the next 120 days...

KISS..........................................
Keep It Simple Stupid

Good word! And thanks!

On a lighter note:
In light of the fact these 6 may go the way of the dodo bird soon, and since a very low success rate of my first round of clones (guess I need practice!) I had enough room in my plant limit to get myself an early Christmas present last night!

Clones! 1 each of several diff strains. Really looking forward to growing them. Need to do the whole spinosad and the bleach treatment on them later today.

Pretty stoked to work with them. Had the guy give me the youngest clones he had so I can train them starting MUCH earlier than last time. They are only about 2 1/2" -5" tall. Should be good fun.

That and my Blue Labs Guardian should be here late Thursday... can't wait. Sure am tired of the whole water, vial and green test fluid method.

 

[GrowGod]

your friend is wrong..
Sorry..
I do know of people running big rooms, that like to exhaust out there room at lights off,
for a few mins...
They think/like it gives them a reset of the environment at lights on, with c02 infusion..
I have heard of ppl using c02 and exhausting. In my mind, that is ass backwards and ignorant,,,
but maybe some other outside environment might have a diff effect..
but i recommend if you live in normal conditions, I wouldnt use c02 and exhaust the room continuously..
And yes the carbon filter just sits in the room exhausting right back in the room.

LoL that’s exactly what I do.:D I run the co2 through drilled tubing on the top of the plants. Keeps about it around 1000 ppm’s at Plant level. Co2 is cheap these days. The only down fall is hauling 8 of these tanks to the grow store every 2 weeks lol.
I find without constant air exiting from my rooms the smell will escape.

 

[Organikz]

LoL that’s exactly what I do.:D I run the co2 through drilled tubing on the top of the plants. Keeps about it around 1000 ppm’s at Plant level. Co2 is cheap these days. The only down fall is hauling 8 of these tanks to the grow store every 2 weeks lol.
I find without constant air exiting from my rooms the smell will escape.

I was thinking of doing a drop ceiling a drilling holes and running my a.c. blower into it. I feel the air would mix a little more efficiently.

@Wisher619 I do want to say that what you do obviously works. You blow rooms out with ease. I just think out loud bro. I've heard of hydrogen peroxide and all kinds of things and I see your logic. I'm just approaching differently. Crazy thing is guys are using kombucha to treat PM.

 

[brazel]

no point in a pic the numbers i wrote are all there is apart from some german. it does say not for lighting tho.....?:drunk2: but that wont mean much here, write stupid stuff on everything ,
inside its 1.5mm solid copper... stiff, if u bend it it doesnt spring back
as far as i know the thicker it is the less resistance you get.

Yes thicker less, longer more.
The pic was just to see the insulation.
No worries though

 

[Wisher619]

One thing that concerns me is the complete sterilization. We look at all bacteria as bad however plants as well as humans depend on lactobacillus and many other beneficial bacteria that protect us from pathogens. The first chapter of teaming with microbes has an analogy that best describes it. "A thief in an empty market may steal as he please." I know even you rely on bacteria to assist your plant in many metabolic processes. Enzymes and amino acids are the building blocks for assimilation of DNA. Believe it or not your plants aquire these from bacteria acting on organic matter, carbohydrates, even minerals. Its why yeast reacts when you add sugar.

Chlorine goes against everything involving microbiology. I believe they greatly benefit all growers of any style.

Here's where I would agree with a dip. I wouldn't bleach substrate. 3 buckets...bleach solution>ice water>warm water. It should be done quickly. This was only done with fresh cuttings but these were collected from fields at the tree nursery.

I never bleach substrate!! Yikes!!!!
I bleach the plant and then flush the hell out of the medium and up-pot with my mix inoculated with massive amount of bennies....again I completely agree with you.....
and my flushing the substrate is with RO water......nothing else
then up-potting with bennies I am banking on the bennies outcompeting anything in the rootzone

as for clones that I bleach as in cutting with no roots
I soak the entire thing
then root gel and into a soaked rw cube inoculated with 1/2strength nutes and bennies...+life by Hydroponic research

so yes I def agree

 

[Organikz]

I never bleach substrate!! Yikes!!!!
I bleach the plant and then flush the hell out of the medium and up-pot with my mix inoculated with massive amount of bennies....again I completely agree with you.....
and my flushing the substrate is with RO water......nothing else
then up-potting with bennies I am banking on the bennies outcompeting anything in the rootzone

as for clones that I bleach as in cutting with no roots
I soak the entire thing
then root gel and into a soaked rw cube inoculated with 1/2strength nuts and bennies...+life by Hydroponic research

so yes I def agree

Sorry I misunderstood sir. I though you were using the solution on your substrate. Gotta stop smoking so much blondie...

 

[bicky studs]

Yes thicker less, longer more.
The pic was just to see the insulation.
No worries though

the wires supplied are super thin and too short in some places.
i guess if i use the thicker wire i shoud do it all thick.?

 

[Wisher619]

Good word! And thanks!

On a lighter note:
In light of the fact these 6 may go the way of the dodo bird soon, and since a very low success rate of my first round of clones (guess I need practice!) I had enough room in my plant limit to get myself an early Christmas present last night!

Clones! 1 each of several diff strains. Really looking forward to growing them. Need to do the whole spinosad and the bleach treatment on them later today.

Pretty stoked to work with them. Had the guy give me the youngest clones he had so I can train them starting MUCH earlier than last time. They are only about 2 1/2" -5" tall. Should be good fun.

That and my Blue Labs Guardian should be here late Thursday... can't wait. Sure am tired of the whole water, vial and green test fluid method.

no that is Spinosad OR bleach
not both....one or the other
and unfortunately I guess I didnt make muself clear DO NOT BLEACH YOU MEDIUM IN ANY WAY......NO FLUSHING WITH BLEACH OR SPINOSAD
it is only a dunk for the top of the plant

I then flush the medium with ro water and immediately up-pot to a fresh sterile container with new medium and soaked with feed and benificial bacteria

 

[Wisher619]

Sorry I misunderstood sir. I though you were using the solution on your substrate. Gotta stop smoking so much blondie...

oh and you are correct
I have a bleach solution and the ro water next to it
I bleach then out and into fresh clean water
then shake
kinda like washing dishes in a restaurant