Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings

[PhatNuggz]

Update

Something amiss with my photo editing, had to use auto stuff which ain't all that

However, pics reveal that the plants have recovered, including LOL. I pollinated her a couple weeks ago, now seeing swelling calyxes, which means Ill have Tripleberry seeds to try again

Note that the BBCC x G13 in the lower left front leaves are turgid and beginning to reach up, a very healthy sign, also lower branches are growing. One flipped, likely due to the major stress I put her through. She's now outside cause whatever I get from her (not much) will still be good smoke

And 4/7 BBCC x G13 seeds have already broken out of the RRs

Note tent temp stays between 86-89*s

 

[PhatNuggz]

Update

4/7 are well out the RRs, prepping to put them in fresh nutes

Cleaned the tote, and the air stones. Fresh nutes made, chilling them now

Moved 2/3 remaining BBCC x G13 outside in coco. The only reason why I haven't YET moved the 3rd is when I was cleaning the roots 2 days ago the main taproot with 99% of the roots (none really viable) came off, leaving me with just a couple root threads. They are already developing lateral roots, but want to leave them in the veg bubbler until they develop more. BTW her main stalk is pretty strong and lower side branches are ~ 4" long with strong stems

LOL continues to hold her own

 

[PhatNuggz]

Update

Still stuck on 4/7. Same everything so who knows, though I keep trying to get them to pop

Although both LOL and the BBCC x G13 will never amount to much volume wise, their recovery proves what I was doing wrong has ben solved

Took a couple pics of one the plants moved outdoors. She is also doing well

 

[Weed Dude]

Well looks like ya got them turned around. Hydro can be so rewarding and frustrating. I went through to many rounds of failed pumps , clogged air stones , slimy roots, floods. Scrubbing tanks... Switch to pure coco in 5gal fabric pots and hand feed..

 

[PhatNuggz]

Made fresh nutes for LOL yesterday

 

[PhatNuggz]

sent this to NPK this morning:

This morning I noticed the plant in question was fading. I checked the res and the air stone was completely covered in a dark brown gooey substance. The roots were hardened with dark brown crusty-like areas, so I washed them off, and soaked in H2O2. I also completely cleaned the res and stone then madefresh NPK Bloom but instead of NPK Bloom Microbes, I used NPK Enzymes I had a similar experience with NPK in hydro over a year a go, so I stopped using it. I wonder whether there is something amiss with my bag of NPK Bloom

 

[PhatNuggz]

Update

I was going to order the new commercial Zone, but was told the original formula was better, so that's on its way, but, since anaerobic bacteria is not supposed to grow in an oxygen rich environment (proven in YT videos where commercial sized micro-bubblers have restored near dead bodies of water) I should not need it at all. See below

I can't locate when I pollinated LOL, but it's been roughly one month, calyxes are swelling and pistils mostly red. I moved her back into the veg bubbler and moved the BBCC x G13 into the bloom bubbler since she is getting fat and is overdue for bloom nutes. Still can't tell but all indications are it's a She.

I found out my O2 Grow 2020 was not plugged in fully. This allowed the led to come on (false sense of working) but the wall wart input plug was not in far enough to provide power to the emitters. I have no idea how long that has been an issue, but likely throughout this current grow. But wait, there's more...

and now the biggie:

Several growers (that I have ignored) have said you don't need bubblers if you drain back (F & D) which I am not using at this stage, BUT, since the O2G produces micro bubbles, running 3 air stones 24/7 is probably dissipating them. DOH

The O2G is supposed to run 30 minutes on and 4 hours off. I think I simply need to grow a pair and eliminate the air stones so the O2G can do its' thing. Unfortunately, Ive never been able to locate anyone using O2G, so Im a bit chicken to completely pull the plug on the air pump, but did remove 2/3 stones. I am waiting to hear back from O2G but will likely eliminate that one too

Stay tuned

Wish me luck

I decided to go all in with my O2G 2020: ZERO airstones

Here's a picture of the roots. LOL's roots (far right) not looking good, might be bennies, but then no new roots, so...

I thought to soak them in h2o2, but decided to leave them as is (but monitor) and see how they respond to micro-bubbles

The babies have nice lateral root hairs, but some are brown, again, could be bennies, or not

Just heard back from O2G. Seems my intuition was spot on. They revised their 30 min on and 4 hour off instructions as follows:

The O2Grow oxygenator separates the water molecule creating
Nano Bubbles of 100% pure oxygen. These Nano Bubbles are
easily absorbed back into the water effectively raising the level
of dissolved oxygen, therefore if you run a “Bubbler” with the
O2Grow emitter you will experience no increase in dissolved
oxygen. The larger bubbles introduced by the bubbler simply rise
to the top and can remove the increased dissolved oxygen that
you have just created. However, if you are using Bubblers to help
mix your nutrients or to keep debris off of the roots, then we
recommend running your O2Grow emitters for 1 hour on and 1 hour
off during your plants “light cycle.” Now run your Bubblers during the “dark cycle” to mix nutrient and splash the roots. The “light cycle” is when the plants are absorbing the nutrient and storing energy

 

[PhatNuggz]

Now this is how to help me. Thanks to HydroRed who wrote:

That clear, jelly type substance along with the browning on your roots is Pythium (root rot). You need to get it in check quick as it will spread to everything in that res.

I'd suggest stopping with all the "miracle solvents" and just run a sterile res...at least until it is in check and you figure out why you are getting it in the first place (high water temps/introduction from other plants in res/etc).

To combat it, Id suggest using 3% H2o2 from the drugstore at 30ml per gallon of water. Let the plants stay in that for 12 hrs. Your water will look bubbly and frothy from the reaction of the H2o2 killing off the bacteria.

Change out the res and rinse the roots real well, then refill res with 3% H2o2 added at 15 ml per gallon of water, let that go another 24 hrs, rinse off the roots real good,then change everything out again but with your normal feed and 10-15 ml of H2o2 per gallon of water there after every 3 days. Your root rot issues should be history and your roots will be a clean white color in appearance.

 

[PhatNuggz]

HRs post was yesterday.

OK, I followed HRs recommendation. Now 12 hours later, I washed the roots off and dunked in ~ 15% H2O2, rinsed again and put back in rezes. Hoping to hear from HR about dumping current nutes and using water only + 15% H2O2/G

Thought I'd post some pics showing dunking in small containers this morning as well as now ~ 48 hours using the O2G the plants have not wilted. MIGHT actually be onto something with the O2G

 

[PhatNuggz]

Im quite excited as the leafs on 2/3 newest plants are recovering, albeit slowly, with the 3rd looking better than yesterday, AND, the elderly BBCC x G13 never did droop even though she had a real bad case of RR

Doing another individual H2O2 dunking, and will change out nutes one more time.

Still seeing new root hairs. Once the plants are looking strong and growing again, I will close this thread and start a new one based on the O2G

FYI I just tried to check pH, but it is jumping all over the place. Why? The O2G is on and all those microbubbles are confusing the pH pens probe

 

[PhatNuggz]

OK, totes drained, cleaned with fresh nutes. Dunked all 6 plants individually in H2O2 for 10+ minutes, then rinsed. Most of the plants roots have lost 95%+ of the brown stain.

LOL (the seeded female) roots are still dark tan, so she's in a separate rez. Seeds not ready, likely due to stress and minimal healthy roots feeding the cribs, though there is some crystals all over them as well as on some of the small leafs nearest the "colas", pathetic though they are, my goal with LOL is seeds to bank for next time I want to pop TripleBerry

 

[PhatNuggz]

It's been awhile

since plants don't get sick over night and neither do they recover overnight, especially from root rot there wasn't much to report

Excellent news: the biggest of the 4 newest plants (BBCC x G13) has spread her wings/leafs, meaning the stems are reaching up at a ~ 45* angle, the leafs should follow suit soon

All 4 tops have new leafs developing and 3 have pistils

I just pulled a lower calyx from the TripleBerry the seed is dark seems to be ready to harvest, but will give her a couple more days

 

[PhatNuggz]

I harvested Tripleberry yesterday. When I broke the net pots down I noticed the roots between the one inch and 4 inch net pots were completely root rotted. It's a miracle that I was able to keep her alive long enough for the seeds to mature.

Based on that, I am soaking all the BBCCx G13 plants all the way up to the top of each 4" net pot for ~ one hour, and will likely repeat a few times

 

[chemistry]

Your roots need more air.

 

[PhatNuggz]

Show of Hands

How many of you were certain MY PLANTS WERE GOING TO DIE and THAT the O2Grow would not do anything?

Can you see that all the plants have pistils at the top of each plant?

This certainly didn't happen without HydroReds extraordinary patience and advice

Well, here I am a few weeks AFTER using the O2G EXCLUSIVELY with plants that had suffered severe root rot- TWICE

Since the emitter creates a lot of mico bubble O2, I am not certain I need to keep adding H2O2 or Dutch Master Gold Zone, but will use them throughout this grow in the large tote, but will stop in the single bucket

Note, the roots clump together when pulled from the water BUT new root hairs are obvious.

Obviously the harvest will be pathetic, but that isn't the point AFAIC

What I have here is proof positive that the O2G with ZERO aeration works, helping to resurrect very very sick plants

I made fresh nutes today

Im excited to use it from the get go with my next grow

 

[chemistry]

🖐

 

[PhatNuggz]

Oh Shit.

Turns out the emitter in my large tote stopped working. Some of the roots had a nice glob of snot on them. Washed off and soaked them in H2O2 . Dumped nutes. Heard from O2G that I only need half normal nute strength now using the emitter that was in the single plant bucket

 

[PhatNuggz]

The article (url below) expresses why I bought the O2G BUT the info in this article and elsewhere was not available then and is not available on the O2G website. So, when I first attempted using it, I did so in combination with air pumps stones thereby shooting myself in the foot, actually both feet.

Finally, late in this grow I took the plunge and removed the air stones: ZERO water circulation or agitation, and the O2G definitely works, it's just that these plants were/are barely alive, so it's too late for them to produce nice buds. Since I choose to plant on a new moon I am letting these continue until the first week of August.

 

[PhatNuggz]

Im pumped. New pistils developing and they are fluffy (a sign of good health). August one is the beginning of the new moon. I will be dropping new seeds and hand feed them until roots exit the starter rooters, then I will move the 3 left over plant out side and begin anew.

I will start a new thread

 

[chemistry]

Are they still alive.