This Be How Dirbag Do...

[newh]

I feel like Amazon.ca is kinda like that Mafia guy who lives down the road that can get you almost anything you cant find anywhere else, but its gonna cost 3 times as much as it should lol.

im amazed at the difference in price.I think i paid just under 50 bucks for the last 16 oz bag

 

[Dirtbag]

I'm gonna call my fert rep for work and see if there is any microbe supplements available for turf, and see if it crosses over. Would be awesome if I can get 5 gal of something to use on the greens and spill a little into an empty pop bottle..lol

 

[Dirtbag]

im amazed at the difference in price.I think i paid just under 50 bucks for the last 16 oz bag

As an experienced Amazon.ca user I'm lot surprised at all. You need to research the value of things you're buying on there. A lot of stuff is fairly priced and even competitive, but a LOT of stuff is outrageously overpriced.

I also fly Radio control airplanes and one of them, an Apprentice S 15e I bought at the local hobby shop for $380. I got home and thought hey I wonder how much it would have been on Amazon... $795 lol....

 

[Dirtbag]

I could get foliage pro on Amazon.ca too... lol but I think I'll hold out for a better price...

 

[jaguarlax]

I started running enzymes after about 2-3 weeks in veg. First time was a half dose, Then 3/4, then a full dose. The company recommends you build up to a full dose otherwise you risk releasing too many nutrients into the solution.

I think thats exactly what happened when I started experimenting in Veg. I had some unexplained excess in veg a few weeks back, right at the same time I started running enzymes. I never put 2 + 2 together until now.

 

[Dirtbag]

I think thats exactly what happened when I started experimenting in Veg. I had some unexplained excess in veg a few weeks back, right at the same time I started running enzymes. I never put 2 + 2 together until now.

Oh yeah man, after a couple weeks of running when you add enzymes that EC spikes big time. With Cocos strong cec it hold nutrients. And nutrients hold nutrients. The enzymes break it all down and it goes back into solution. What I do is add enzymes and the next day I flush until my runoff is back in range. And it always comes out super hot at first.

 

[newh]

I could get foliage pro on Amazon.ca too... lol but I think I'll hold out for a better price...
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I use their Protekt si

 

[Dr.Green55]

Dirtbag is so right about the enzymes , one of the most under utilized tricks in the tool bag, and they should be used in very type of system, I remember we even use to run the outdoor pond enzymes in our hydro systems cheap and worked fantastic

 

[Dirtbag]

I use their Protekt si

This is the stuff I use. I get the 500ml bottle at my local hydro shop for $10 and it lasts me over a year. Super thick stuff, it pours like glue. I dilute about 2 oz to a 500ml bottle of RO and use it that way.

 

[jaguarlax]

Dirtbag is so right about the enzymes , one of the most under utilized tricks in the tool bag, and they should be used in very type of system, I remember we even use to run the outdoor pond enzymes in our hydro systems cheap and worked fantastic

im also a big reef hobbyist... enzymes were always key in that world too...

 

[Dirtbag]

im also a big reef hobbyist... enzymes were always key in that world too...

Same with mashing and brewing. Enzymes literally make beer possible lol.

 

[Dr.Green55]

Do you do it just for yourself , or do you work with the local Beer/micro breweries.

 

[Dirtbag]

Do you do it just for yourself , or do you work with the local Beer/micro breweries.

Just for myself and a few buddies that also brew. I've been making beer mostly with mashing grains, hops, and home cultured yeast for about 10 years. It's fun having a kegerator in the living room with a couple craft beers on tap at all times lol.
I'll tell you this, the learning curve for brewing is almost as crazy as growing pot. So many things to get into, water chemistry, mash variables, pitch rates and storing yeast... its endless. Took me a couple years to make beer I liked. I'm at the point now though that I prefer mine over nearly anything I can buy.

Nothing quite like an evening of getting trashed with friends on beer you made and pot you grew.
Mostly, because the supply is seemingly bottomless so it often gets carried away lol.

 

[Aqua Man]

Just for myself and a few buddies that also brew. I've been making beer mostly with mashing grains, hops, and home cultured yeast for about 10 years. It's fun having a kegerator in the living room with a couple craft beers on tap at all times lol.
I'll tell you this, the learning curve for brewing is almost as crazy as growing pot. So many things to get into, water chemistry, mash variables, pitch rates and storing yeast... its endless. Took me a couple years to make beer I liked. I'm at the point now though that I prefer mine over nearly anything I can buy.

Nothing quite like an evening of getting trashed with friends on beer you made and pot you grew.
Mostly, because the supply is seemingly bottomless so it often gets carried away lol.

It's amazing how many hobbies benefit from bacteria and other microbiology and how the information gained is easily transitioned over.

Hell even the best breads are made with live cultures.

 

[Dirtbag]

It's amazing how many hobbies benefit from bacteria and other microbiology and how the information gained is easily transitioned over.

Hell even the best breads are made with live cultures.

Yep, lots of crossover between beer making and slow rise bread making.

Microbiology is fascinating. I really dove deep into the science of mashing grains years ago and the function of enzymes and how they cleave starches just fascinated me. They're like little machines that literally take a compound and convert it into something else.

 

[Dr.Green55]

Just for myself and a few buddies that also brew. I've been making beer mostly with mashing grains, hops, and home cultured yeast for about 10 years. It's fun having a kegerator in the living room with a couple craft beers on tap at all times lol.
I'll tell you this, the learning curve for brewing is almost as crazy as growing pot. So many things to get into, water chemistry, mash variables, pitch rates and storing yeast... its endless. Took me a couple years to make beer I liked. I'm at the point now though that I prefer mine over nearly anything I can buy.

Nothing quite like an evening of getting trashed with friends on beer you made and pot you grew.
Mostly, because the supply is seemingly bottomless so it often gets carried away lol.

Thats pretty cool man , something I always wanted to do, But seems like I always had my hands full with other stuff, and I don't like to do things half ass. One of these days soon thats going to be my next and last adventure.

 

[Aqua Man]

Yep, lots of crossover between beer making and slow rise bread making.

Microbiology is fascinating. I really dove deep into the science of mashing grains years ago and the function of enzymes and how they cleave starches just fascinated me. They're like little machines that literally take a compound and convert it into something else.

Mine was from aquatics and aquaponics. It's so fascinating and diverse. Many years of reading and trial and error but probably the most important thing missing in terms of knowledge with cannabis so far but it's changing. The only thing about that though is all the BS marketing that goes along with it. Probably the biggest thing I can say is if you have the bacteria starter and keep it going you will have a lifetime supply. But also usually they don't play nice with eachother so just because some have more strains does not mean they will all survive as it's competition for food and that's where proper diversity is important. If they have the same food source one will outcompete the other.

Of course then there is the difference of bacteria produce enzymes but enzymes themselves don't reproduce and that's why I feel we are seeing more enzymes on the market and not bacteria. Well that plus the fact bacteria die and have a very short shelf life. Enzymes have no shelf life....

Personally brewing your own tea is the way to go if you have the time and knowledge but enzymes are great in the fact they are basically plug and play and anyone can use em for a cost..

 

[Dirtbag]

Mine was from aquatics and aquaponics. It's so fascinating and diverse. Many years of reading and trial and error but probably the most important thing missing in terms of knowledge with cannabis so far but it's changing. The only thing about that though is all the BS marketing that goes along with it. Probably the biggest thing I can say is if you have the bacteria starter and keep it going you will have a lifetime supply. But also usually they don't play nice with eachother so just because some have more strains does not mean they will all survive as it's competition for food and that's where proper diversity is important. If they have the same food source one will outcompete the other.

Of course then there is the difference of bacteria produce enzymes but enzymes themselves don't reproduce and that's why I feel we are seeing more enzymes on the market and not bacteria. Well that plus the fact bacteria die and have a very short shelf life. Enzymes have no shelf life....

Personally brewing your own tea is the way to go if you have the time and knowledge but enzymes are great in the fact they are basically plug and play and anyone can use em for a cost..

Totally. I fully expect my brew will be dominated by a couple of the more dominant subspecies of Bacillis. Fingers crossed it was the amyloliquiefens lol. But I'd be happy with subtillis too. Sadly no way of knowing lol. But that's why I dont think I'd ever do more than one brew. It's the same with yeast, it's possible to use 2 different strains in a single beer to get the characteristics of each in the finished beer, but if you try and culture those strains together in a flask, one is gonna dominate the other, and each consecutive generation it will just get more dominant.

 

[Dirtbag]

Thats pretty cool man , something I always wanted to do, But seems like I always had my hands full with other stuff, and I don't like to do things half ass. One of these days soon thats going to be my next and last adventure.

It's a very enjoyable hobby, but it's a rabbit hole.

And just like growing pot, there is a cheap way, and the right way. I've probably got almost a thousand dollars invested in just my brewing setup, not including the kegerator, Co2 bottles, kegs etc.. And I'm on the low end of what is possible. I do a hybrid BIAB style but if you get into 3 vessel and stainless fermentors you can drop 5-6 thousand on a setup in a blink. But the extra expense is super not worth it to go 3 vessel. BIAB done right makes fantastic beer. I've done it every which way.

But that investment pays off eventually, I figured since all I drank was homebrew for years that the savings likely paid for the setup in about 3 years. I havent bought a new piece of equipment in probably 6 or 7 years. And now I can make 10 gallons of beer for about $40. $50 if I want a NEIPA or something really tropical.

It helps to buy ingredients in bulk, I always buy 50lb bags of base malts and hops by the pound directly from the hop farms in chilliwack. I can get a pound for $15-20 compared to the $3-4 per ounce you see in homebrew stores.
As for yeast, I only ever bought a strain once, then multiplied it on the stirplate and mixed with a glycerin solution to store in the freezer. I could make 10 packs of yeast from a single package. And when I got down to the last one, I'd just make 10 more.

 

[MIMedGrower]

What happened to the mega crop @Dirtbag ?

It had most of these additives you are trying included.