Aquaman gets dirty

[PlumberSoCal2]

Here is the original response i posted in my thread recently in case you didnt see.





When growing outdoors, bloom is not necessary. The gradual shortening of day length forces flowering. When growing indoors under lights where photo period is reduced to force flowering, bloom (high phosphorus) chemically reinforces the message of shorter days to accelerate the switch from vegetative growth to reproductive growth (flowering). Technically, it is not essential nutritionally but serves as a chemical messenger.

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I am saying that in my test grows with multiple runs of known cuts i used to keep for testing that the flowers fertilized with the kind trio bloom and base in 12/12 finished up to 2 weeks earlier but with less yield and less full head and body potency, flavor and smell (perceived by is and multiple patients) than the same plant grown with the grow and base bottles. Which finished up to 2 weeks later and with 15% average more yield.

We repeated this test and then did it with the pure blend pro grow and bloom soil.


I feel that this shows what dyna grow is saying and the higher phosphorous sparked earlier and faster bloom. But that this is only good for profit and not quality. If i felt the quality was higher i would choose that over yield.


And for lighting i use 2 600hps in deep direct down lighting reflectors in a 3.5’x7’ space. Medium high light by modern standards. No co2

Interesting, I started to up the P & K when flipping outside. Seems to get the girls in gear and I've kept it up and lowered the N (halved the calcium and magnesium). Seems to work. In coco you need to keep the cation exchange sites charged with cal/mag so some needs to be in each fertigation. I eliminated it in a grow durning flower and didn't like how fast the girls faded. So it may not be needed outside it does help.

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

Coco has almost half the CEC of peat. That means it is holding on to nutrients regardless of runoff.

Better hire that lab to avoid your guess work. ;-)

Ha. My only quess work is dialing in flowering percentages. I'm thinking I'm getting close

 

[MIMedGrower]

Ha. My only quess work is dialing in flowering percentages. I'm thinking I'm getting close
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Nice! :-)

 

[Dr.Green55]

I have started them many times under the 600’s. But a height of 3-4 feet over.

Do you have pics of your grow to share?

yes as I might a bit higher to, but there was a point I was making did you get that or did that sail right over your head lol

and yes I have pics , however I have never ever posted any online, that was unthinkable back in my day lol , however I am legal and only grow for myself , I would really like to do a journal to show my grow style, but I have other factors I have to consider before I do , so I'm really not sure.

 

[BogartAmungus]

Been as high as almost 85k before but they has stress and noticable. But I'm surprised because the HBMC was showing light stress early on. May have just needed some time to settle in. They definitely are healthier overall I feel. But I'm gonna say thats probably because of the more stable environment Ina bigger room and possibly slower growth? Seems more forgiving than my hydro on climate.

Will see once it hits the coco. But it's grown on me. I'm definitely not as anti dirt. But I miss and like my control of hydro. Advantages and disadvantages. Definitely has affected my view of soil in a positive way.... Other than growth rates.

Im curious to see how you like the the quality of the budzzz vs hydro. If you CAN tell a difference at all? Next you will have to try living/super soil .

 

[Dirtbag]

Coco has almost half the CEC of peat. That means it is holding on to nutrients regardless of runoff.

Better hire that lab to avoid your guess work. ;-)

True but you also have to remember you use way less coco compared to peat. 1 gal of coco vs 3 gal of peat means the small pot of coco actually has closer to 1/6th the nutrient holding capacity for the same sized plant compared to peat. When I pulled my fabric pots apart after the last grow I had essentially a solid brick of roots, you could hardly even see the coco anymore.

With a concentrated rootzone and multiple daily feeds it performs almost exactly like rockwool hydro with no cec.

 

[Aqua Man]

Im curious to see how you like the the quality of the budzzz vs hydro. If you CAN tell a difference at all? Next you will have to try living/super soil .

Very complex subject. There are enzymes and other compounds that may affect flavors. Imo sulfur is a big factor in this.

 

[MIMedGrower]

yes as I might a bit higher to, but there was a point I was making did you get that or did that sail right over your head lol

and yes I have pics , however I have never ever posted any online, that was unthinkable back in my day lol , however I am legal and only grow for myself , I would really like to do a journal to show my grow style, but I have other factors I have to consider before I do , so I'm really not sure.

Yeah you are pretty blunt about things. But you should listen to your own advice. And you should post your grow for legitimacy.

 

[Aqua Man]

Yeah you are pretty blunt about things. But you should listen to your own advice. And you should post your grow for legitimacy.

I know where he is coming from I didn't post for a long time for similar reasons. I think any knowledge is valid. I mean pics are nice but imo all you need is to be somewhat capable with great genetics to get great looking plants. To me it's comparable only if they are clones.

 

[MIMedGrower]

True but you also have to remember you use way less coco compared to peat. 1 gal of coco vs 3 gal of peat means the small pot of coco actually has closer to 1/6th the nutrient holding capacity for the same sized plant compared to peat. When I pulled my fabric pots apart after the last grow I had essentially a solid brick of roots, you could hardly even see the coco anymore.

With a concentrated rootzone and multiple daily feeds it performs almost exactly like rockwool hydro with no cec.

The nursery pots are actually smaller volume. Its really a #1 plastic nursery pot jas tapered sides and is about 2/3 a gallon. And a #3 is 2.4 gallons actual volume. Where the soft pots have straight sides and are actually the volume stated.


That said why would the CEC change due to volume?


And what yield did you pull per 1 gallon of soil (coco)? I guess per plant average is what im curious about.

 

[MIMedGrower]

I know where he is coming from I didn't post for a long time for similar reasons. I think any knowledge is valid. I mean pics are nice but imo all you need is to be somewhat capable with great genetics to get great looking plants. To me it's comparable only if they are clones.

Its easy to sound knowledgable but sometimes claims sound a bit too contrived and cause doubts. You can see the skill and results of a grower from the grow regardless of clones, seeds or medium in my opinion. Unless the pics are stolen from somewhere else. Which happens on these forums.

 

[Dirtbag]

The nursery pots are actually smaller volume. Its really a #1 plastic nursery pot jas tapered sides and is about 2/3 a gallon. And a #3 is 2.4 gallons actual volume. Where the soft pots have straight sides and are actually the volume stated.


That said why would the CEC change due to volume?


And what yield did you pull per 1 gallon of soil (coco)? I guess per plant average is what im curious about.

The cec itself doesnt change, but with a lower volume of media the cec has less influence over what the plants eat than the nutrient solution does. Less media, means less nutrients can be bonded overall in the rootzone.

And I havent weighed anything yet, but the cookies and violator plants look like they had about 5oz or so each on them, Cheese was about the same, Bubba was less, Lavanda cream was a bit more. But average per plant looks to be about 5oz. And that's with only 4 weeks veg and one gallon of media.

 

[Aqua Man]

The cec itself doesnt change, but with a lower volume of media the cec has less influence over what the plants eat than the nutrient solution does. Less media, means less nutrients can be bonded overall in the rootzone.

And I havent weighed anything yet, but the cookies and violator plants look like they had about 5oz or so each on them, Cheese was about the same, Bubba was less, Lavanda cream was a bit more. But average per plant looks to be about 5oz. And that's with only 4 weeks veg and one gallon of media.

Where the CO2 at?

 

[Dirtbag]

Where the CO2 at?

Stop it!

 

[Aqua Man]

Stop it!

Nope. Payback for leading me into coco.

 

[Dr.Green55]

Yeah you are pretty blunt about things. But you should listen to your own advice. And you should post your grow for legitimacy.

lol thats a fucking joke needing to post on here to get legitimacy.

 

[Dirtbag]

Fair enough Aqua.. But I need more light before anything else. I'm half considering throwing up 2 more thousands, switching over to batwings and running the AC.

 

[MIMedGrower]

The cec itself doesnt change, but with a lower volume of media the cec has less influence over what the plants eat than the nutrient solution does. Less media, means less nutrients can be bonded overall in the rootzone.

And I havent weighed anything yet, but the cookies and violator plants look like they had about 5oz or so each on them, Cheese was about the same, Bubba was less, Lavanda cream was a bit more. But average per plant looks to be about 5oz. And that's with only 4 weeks veg and one gallon of media.

Thats impressive!


But as far as nutrients and cec the ec remains consistant through pot size. Its the multiple feeds that grow more bud.

Most i have done in the 1 gallon (2/3 gallon) is just under 3 oz with 6 weeks veg.

And the most i have done in a #3 (2.4 gallon) is just under 8.

Of course i only watered/fertilized once to saturation every 2-3 days.

And maybe once a week through veg and stretch.

With a non staggared crop i could add perlite up to 50/50 ratio and water them all every day and may get even better results.

 

[Aqua Man]

Fair enough Aqua.. But I need more light before anything else. I'm half considering throwing up 2 more thousands, switching over to batwings and running the AC.

What's that??? Your going with LED?

 

[MIMedGrower]

lol thats a fucking joke needing to post on here to get legitimacy.

I said should not need to. But i figured you wouldnt. Its easy to see my results. My thread has gotten long.

When you make a lot of egotistical statements to strangers online its best to back them up. You said you have a legal grow. And there is no need to divulge anything personal.

So refusing does not help anyone to trust your info.