Irie Seeds "Orange Gasm" under Gavita Pro 1700e LED's..........

[sshz]

The room has definitely turned the corner towards finishing.......22 days from today, most everything should be ready. This bud seems furthest along.

 

[Aqua Man]

The room has definitely turned the corner towards finishing.......22 days from today, most everything should be ready. This bud seems furthest along.

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@sshz would you mind sharing your input on calcium mid to late flower? Or is this something you don't really look at?

This grow I seem to have a K deficiency in 2 of the 6 plants I have. They are different phenos and I have a strong suspicion that the amount of calcium I have been using is directly related to this. As my nutrients are quite high in potassium.

Wondering if you reduce or stop any calcium supplements or have an opinion on it.

 

[sshz]

The one thing I recommend is absolutely no Cal/Mag the last 2 weeks of flowering, as it does inhibit resin production late in flowering. But the normal cause for it is too low of pH so I would increase you pH a few ticks which should help. Over watering can also contribute to the deficiency, so I'd let those plant dry out a bit more than normal before watering again. Things should improve........how far along are those plants?

 

[Aqua Man]

The one thing I recommend is absolutely no Cal/Mag the last 2 weeks of flowering, as it does inhibit resin production late in flowering. But the normal cause for it is too low of pH so I would increase you pH a few ticks which should help. Over watering can also contribute to the deficiency, so I'd let those plant dry out a bit more than normal before watering again. Things should improve........how far along are those plants?

7 weeks now. They dry out almost to much... Let em go a little limp a few times. This grow is rather disappointing and I have really not put in the work or effort to complain about it.

The deficiency is not progressing and was very minor but since I cut the cal mag they seem to be fine. I was just curious if you have seen that before.

 

[sshz]

I rarely, if ever, see though types of issues. Mites/gnats are the only issues if ever see, even those are just occasional.

Maybe it's strain related???

 

[Aqua Man]

I rarely, if ever, see though types of issues. Mites/gnats are the only issues if ever see, even those are just occasional.

Maybe it's strain related???

It could be the 2 are the same strain and very similar phenos.

 

[Dr.Green55]

Hey Aqua I don't know if this will be any help , but for me and my setup in soil I run K - Ca - Mg in a 4-2 -1 ratio, now thats not set in stone that a starting point, it will change slightly, If you want I can PM you my exact formula, however not sure how it would work under LED's if any different , I got that ratio a long time ago from a botanist at a university, using that I have never had any issues what so ever. I run 5 or 6 different strains at a time and they all get the same. I use that in veg, pre flower and flower until end week 5,( if 8 week Strain) and then I start cutting out N , Ca , Mg, micro's etc.

 

[Aqua Man]

Hey Aqua I don't know if this will be any help , but for me and my setup in soil I run K - Ca - Mg in a 4-2 -1 ratio, now thats not set in stone that a starting point, it will change slightly, If you want I can PM you my exact formula, however not sure how it would work under LED's if any different , I got that ratio a long time ago from a botanist at a university, using that I have never had any issues what so ever. I run 5 or 6 different strains at a time and they all get the same. I use that in veg, pre flower and flower until end week 5,( if 8 week Strain) and then I start cutting out N , Ca , Mg, micro's etc.

Absolutely I would appreciate that if it's not to much trouble.

 

[Dr.Green55]

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Absolutely I would appreciate that if it's not to much trouble.

Ok I'll grab that stuff when at my rooms later tonight

 

[sshz]

So, I'm pretty sure I'll do the Turkish Cookies next time for the following reasons-

1. I'm reading a lot about sprouting issues with Dr. GreenThumb's stuff lately and I'm afraid if i wait longer, there's less chance they'll pop. They may not pop anyway, but it's better to get it over with and see. I'll probably sprout all 33, and hope to get 24 healthy ones. If not, then maybe I'll have 12 and do one side with these and I'd probably do Katsu Dracaries (Bubba X GG#4) on the other side.

2. It's a better yielder than the Sweet Zombie- although both are heavy yielders.

3. The Turkish Cookies will take 65 days to finish, the Zombie may take a little bit longer to be fully done.

4. The T.C. will be more challenging, and I think I need that to keep my interest and effort high. This strain will definitely grow larger, put off more branches, and grow taller if you let it. Support netting will definitely be needed.

And the main deciding factor- I think it will be a better smoke in the end. I'm not discounting the Sweet Zombie, but GreenThumb's lone tester Dr. Gruber rated it his best medical smoke he's ever grown. He's a friend and a solid medical grower from Michigan, I trust his opinion.

I'll discuss changes I'm going to make in the new thread when I start but for now- 1) add more perlite in the soil mix as it's compacting a bit, 2) keeps lights higher in early flowering to encourage more stem elongation, 3) add more room exhaust to better control heat and humidity, 4) review CO2 requirements based on final yield of this grow, 5) be more proactive spraying (mainly Purecrop1) during the grow to eliminate any potential bugs issues, 6) do not add any dolomite lime to my potting mix per the earlier discussion in this thread about purple stems, and 7) add white 95% reflective sheeting on the walls to increase light hitting plants. I'm listing these now so i remember them when starting the next crop

 

[sshz]

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Ok I'll grab that stuff when at my rooms later tonight

Include me too please........I'd like to take a look at it.

 

[sshz]

So, another week done and today, Thursday is the end of week 7. Not much really going on, just watching and waiting basically as things slowly progress. I guess what is standing out now is the spread of timing between the different plants in the room. A % of buds are what I called "flatheads"- these buds have flat tops and are furthest along. In the morning I'll put up a video of the most done plant in the room- a flathead on the right side but in the front corner, which probably received the least light of all of them.

The plants that are least done are the 2 true Golden Goat leaners........golden in color, and great yielders but they are far behind and I expect won't be done at day 70. The podcast did say there will be some outliers (either early or late bloomers) and these 2 stand out in that category. I will have to let these finish another week or so longer than all the others I suspect and will start up another room with a 600 watt HPS for just these 2 after day 70.

85% of the room have spear shape buds, and there are not a lot of the flatheads. I typically associate flattops more with indica in them and spear shaped with sativas, but as often is the case- there is a mixing of the parents genetics and as there are supposedly 5 different pheno's with this strain- it's just another one of them. But these do look great, as they're a bit further along.

I continue to water every day, about 75% of the plants are dry when it's watering time. I'm back at about 550 ppm and watering at about 220-250 every 3rd or 4th watering. Straight bloom ferts for another week, then a quick taper off to just a molasses flush the last 7-10 days. The smell continues to build, although not as bad as some other recent grows. In a week or so, i will also raise the lights to around 24 inches, as this will help them finish a bit quicker. And also start watering 25% less, to reduce room humidity and again I think it signals to the plant the end is nearing.

My youngest daughter is getting married the first week of Oct., and the wife was hoping I would shut down after this crop so it would be something less to worry about while away.......... just for 3-4 weeks and then start up again. That was met with a firm "Hell NO". I wouldn't know what to do with myself, quite honestly. Well, there would be the NFL going on by then and of course the Derby/Preakness/Breeders Cup on the calendar too- but, if I'm not growing, then I'm not living. I'm sure many of you understand where I'm coming from. LOL

So, let the 21 day count down begin...it will go quick I'm sure. A video of a flathead up in the morning.

 

[sshz]

And to add, I think I'm back on the Sweet Zombie for the next grow.......... hard to explain why but I continue to review old threads and look for more current grows of both. Found this from my old grow:

"Zombie Virus has a genetic background of BOG Medley/Sour Bubble/Rainbow #4 and an afghani. Black Domina has Northern Lights/Ortega/Hash Plant and Afghani. The Z.V. is 90% inidica while the B.D. is 95%."

MoneyGram has now fully reimbursed me for the Dr. GreenThumb money order so the seeds cost me nothing, thus I'm less concerned about them sprouting or working out. As I've noted, I've grown the Sweet Zombie before and know the strain well. The Turkish Cookies tends to grow branchy and will need a lot of bud support and tending to. A LOT, take my word for it. I've looked into it and have spoken with others who grew it.

Some extra 5 packs of S.Z. seeds were sent to others following this thread......so it will be interesting to see the similarities and differences of each of our grows under different lighting and fertilizers............

 

[sshz]

The most done plant in the room............ 3 weeks to go. Nice density, great resin production, solid weight by all appearances and inquisitive citrus smell. Spread picture out for better viewing.

 

[sshz]

And this video is of the other side of the room from last week.........you can see the "large" Golden Goat pheno in the middle at the back. Both videos were taken with a flashlight as things stand out better.

 

[Aqua Man]

Looks great but that background music had me waiting for something to jump out of the jungle lol

 

[sshz]

As I shut everything off in the room to take the videos, it was noise from the 60 inch TV which is about 7 yards from the room door. Not sure what was on............

And to really complicate the idea of defoliating, here is someone's recommendations why not to. I think i probably over defoliated this crop, but final yield will help determine that. Take a read of this article..........."To Defoliate Or Not"

To Defoliate Or Not To Defoliate

The issue of leaf removal for cannabis through the process of defoliation has troubled growers for a long time and will probably continue to do so re...

www.cocoforcannabis.com

 

[Aqua Man]

As I shut everything off in the room to take the videos, it was noise from the 60 inch TV which is about 7 yards from the room door. Not sure what was on............

And to really complicate the idea of defoliating, here is someone's recommendations why not to. I think i probably over defoliated this crop, but final yield will help determine that. Take a read of this article..........."To Defoliate Or Not"

To Defoliate Or Not To Defoliate

The issue of leaf removal for cannabis through the process of defoliation has troubled growers for a long time and will probably continue to do so re...

www.cocoforcannabis.com

Good read. I feel I have also done a little to much but no control group. I do still believe that's some defoliiation is needed. Part of that article suggests 25% should not have much impact in the plant. I think whats missing is understanding how much photosynthesis is required by the plant to give optimal results. That's where people are not taking into account light intensity, photoperiod and total leaf surface area exposed to light. So imo someone with high light and co2 may not see any significant changes when defoliating up to a certain threshold. Basically photosynthetic rates have to play a role in this also is what I'm saying.

 

[MIMedGrower]

As I shut everything off in the room to take the videos, it was noise from the 60 inch TV which is about 7 yards from the room door. Not sure what was on............

And to really complicate the idea of defoliating, here is someone's recommendations why not to. I think i probably over defoliated this crop, but final yield will help determine that. Take a read of this article..........."To Defoliate Or Not"

To Defoliate Or Not To Defoliate

The issue of leaf removal for cannabis through the process of defoliation has troubled growers for a long time and will probably continue to do so re...

www.cocoforcannabis.com

Yup. I like how the author says that when a grower defoliates and sees new growth a couple days later they think it was a success.

And that most of the posted defoliation tests never finish and report the findings.

I think the answer ed rosenthal gave is the best one. Take the lower unproductive stuff and make clones. Improved airflow and new free plants!


How many will read this and still claim the bud sites need direct light?

 

[MIMedGrower]

Good read. I feel I have also done a little to much but no control group. I do still believe that's some defoliiation is needed. Part of that article suggests 25% should not have much impact in the plant. I think whats missing is understanding how much photosynthesis is required by the plant to give optimal results. That's where people are not taking into account light intensity, photoperiod and total leaf surface area exposed to light. So imo someone with high light and co2 may not see any significant changes when defoliating up to a certain threshold. Basically photosynthetic rates have to play a role in this also is what I'm saying.

I think that many growers cram too many plants into the space and without some drastic defoliation the plants cant produce they are so crowded.

So when they de leaf things improve.

The small pot of coco or rockwool cube grows packed together on tables are like this.

With spaced out bushes i lose yield every time if i take many leaves.