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[MIMedGrower]

I do.. I added fish shit and a tsp of Raw grow microbes to it.

bet it works without the stuff you added.

 

[Aqua Man]

bet it works without the stuff you added.

It will but probably much slower.

 

[Aqua Man]

So the bacteria is present and already digesting nutrients.

Yeah 70-80f bacteria really start to increase metabolism. They are similar to cannabis. Temps in the mid high 70s they thrive. Well the species we use anyhow. Lol probably by design

 

[Milson]

Here is some more info on ec testing.

more to it of course. ;-)

The Ultimate Guide to Testing Electrical Conductivity of Soil

The electrical conductivity of soil can tell you if you need more nutrients, or if you have too much. Saving you time & money when managing your plants.

www.google.com

Thanks! So as I suspected it's just a conversion factor. Kind of like lux vs ppfd estimates (without a quantum meter). The "ppm" of the meter is just an estimate off ec based on assumptions that work in some cases better than others.

I really just need to brush up my chemistry and then dive into orgo a bit to satisfy my curiosity about this in more depth. Otherwise I'll never be able to understand the sources that really explain things.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Yeah 70-80f bacteria really start to increase metabolism. They are similar to cannabis. Temps in the mid high 70s they thrive. Well the species we use anyhow. Lol probably by design

ok but my point is there is likely no need to add anything.

 

[beluga]

How do you 'like all' for the past two hours and two pages of gold you guys have been posting while I was stuck in traffic..?

 

[Odiesel]

I did not make such a large batch like you but when i would make my EJ mix it would be just as low in PH and after 36 hours of bubbling the ph would rise to the 6 range.

 

[Aqua Man]

ok but my point is there is likely no need to add anything.

Yes because different bacteria populate at different rates. Like I explained denitrifying bacteria are generally very slow. So you may be low in some sources of nutrients until that happens

 

[Dirtbag]

bet it works without the stuff you added.

I'm sure it would to. My beer brewers mindset makes me look at stuff like this in beer making terms though.

You can make beer with wild yeast, they're actually somewhat common, and used to be extremely common. In fact centuries ago the way all brewers inoculated their wort with yeast was by stirring it with a wooden stick that was essentially impregnated with wild yeasts. Or making cider from unpasteurized apple juice. The brewers in Belgian Abbys put the wort into giant open tanks in a centuries old dirty building full of wild yeast and bacteria. They don't add any yeasts at all. And I might add, to my pallette, they're disgusting.

Modern brewers know that certain strains of yeast or bacteria produce certain results, so they will generally add one or two specific yeast varities to create the flavor profile they want. They don't need to do this to make beer, but they do if they want the kind of beer they're looking for.

I see this as a sort of similar situation. Would bacteria and fungi show up on their own to start working on this stuff? Of course, but there is no way to know without lab equipment and a degree which bacteria and fungi I have attracted.

I'm just spit balling here.. defending my use of a dollars worth of exogenous microbes lol..

 

[Aqua Man]

@Dirtbag can you do me a curiosity favor?

Take a litre or so and add enzymes to it. The ppm should start changing quickly. Or at least much faster than your brew

 

[Aqua Man]

I'm sure it would to. My beer brewers mindset makes me look at stuff like this in beer making terms though.

You can make beer with wild yeast, they're actually somewhat common, and used to be extremely common. In fact centuries ago the way all brewers inoculated their wort with yeast was by stirring it with a wooden stick that was essentially impregnated with wild yeasts. Or making cider from unpasteurized apple juice. The brewers in Belgian Abbys put the wort into giant open tanks in a centuries old dirty building full of wild yeast and bacteria. They don't add any yeasts at all. And I might add, to my pallette, they're disgusting.

Modern brewers know that certain strains of yeast or bacteria produce certain results, so they will generally add one or two specific yeast varities to create the flavor profile they want.

I see this as a sort of similar situation. Would bacteria and fungi show up on their own to start working on this stuff? Of course, but there is no way to know without lab equipment and a degree which bacteria and fungi I have attracted.

I'm just spit balling here.. defending my use of a dollars worth of exogenous microbes lol..

Like sourdough bread

 

[MIMedGrower]

It will but probably much slower.

No. The extra products are mostly hype. You only need some compost. The bacteria will multiply on their own. Adding more is shown to just cause an unneeded bloom. Bro science basically.

But i bet earth juice works slower or not too well out of the bottle with such low ph. Even the earth juice guide doesnt mention microbes. It says to bubble to bring the ph up.

 

[Odiesel]

No. The extra products are mostly hype. You only need some compost. The bacteria will multiply on their own. Adding more is shown to just cause an unneeded bloom. Bro science basically.

But i bet earth juice works slower or not too well out of the bottle with such low ph. Even the earth juice guide doesnt mention microbes. It says to bubble to bring the ph up.

i thrive on bro science

 

[Aqua Man]

No. The extra products are mostly hype. You only need some compost. The bacteria will multiply on their own. Adding more is shown to just cause an unneeded bloom. Bro science basically.

But i bet earth juice works slower or not too well out of the bottle with such low ph. Even the earth juice guide doesnt mention microbes. It says to bubble to bring the ph up.

Because its a compost extract. The microbes are in the soil. But by adding microbes you Jumpstart the availability

 

[MIMedGrower]

Yes because different bacteria populate at different rates. Like I explained denitrifying bacteria are generally very slow. So you may be low in some sources of nutrients until that happens

Nah. You are justifying with no proof.

 

[Dirtbag]

No. The extra products are mostly hype. You only need some compost. The bacteria will multiply on their own. Adding more is shown to just cause an unneeded bloom. Bro science basically.

But i bet earth juice works slower or not too well out of the bottle with such low ph. Even the earth juice guide doesnt mention microbes. It says to bubble to bring the ph up.

Bacillis amyloquiefens and trichoderma are far from bro science. And highly unlikely to just appear on their own. There is a good reason that Large LPs use it even in hydro setups for root protection. With those in there you have a FAR smaller chance of growing any pathogenic bacteria and fungi

 

[MIMedGrower]

I'm sure it would to. My beer brewers mindset makes me look at stuff like this in beer making terms though.

You can make beer with wild yeast, they're actually somewhat common, and used to be extremely common. In fact centuries ago the way all brewers inoculated their wort with yeast was by stirring it with a wooden stick that was essentially impregnated with wild yeasts. Or making cider from unpasteurized apple juice. The brewers in Belgian Abbys put the wort into giant open tanks in a centuries old dirty building full of wild yeast and bacteria. They don't add any yeasts at all. And I might add, to my pallette, they're disgusting.

Modern brewers know that certain strains of yeast or bacteria produce certain results, so they will generally add one or two specific yeast varities to create the flavor profile they want. They don't need to do this to make beer, but they do if they want the kind of beer they're looking for.

I see this as a sort of similar situation. Would bacteria and fungi show up on their own to start working on this stuff? Of course, but there is no way to know without lab equipment and a degree which bacteria and fungi I have attracted.

I'm just spit balling here.. defending my use of a dollars worth of exogenous microbes lol..

but your opinion is the same as your point You dont know what you have added that lives and dont know if it will stick around to do its job.

The agriculture industry is like the natural health industry. They have a little evidence of something and then make a full blown product with the hype that more is better for you.

Like multi vitamins. Dont stay in your body or actually help except for maybe the b complex and some c.

there's some bro science about the bro science.:-)

 

[Dirtbag]

@Dirtbag can you do me a curiosity favor?

Take a litre or so and add enzymes to it. The ppm should start changing quickly. Or at least much faster than your brew

Done. I'll check back on it tonight. Added 2.5 ml enzyme komplete to 500ml of nutrient. Currently sitting at o.8ec.

 

[Aqua Man]

Nah. You are justifying with no proof.

Some bacteria require other bacteria to be present before they will populate.

Driving but plucked this fast.

http://fins.actwin.com/mirror/begin-cycling.html

 

[MIMedGrower]

Because its a compost extract. The microbes are in the soil. But by adding microbes you Jumpstart the availability

actually adding more microbes will eat the nutrients but not necessarily help feed the plant. And the bigger the bloom. The bigger the problem. And when the nutrients are gone so are the extra microbes. No benefit to the plant. Extremely sciency bro science.