Dirtbags Do-over... 🤪 Back to Organic!

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Finally caught up! I spent a few hours last night and this morning reading through the thread so far.

Y’all were talking animal rights and psychs AND lifting without me? Ok, who’s gonna bring up progressive metal LOL.

It all ties together (the first three). I inched toward my personal choice to go vegetarian last year through a handful of revelatory trips making it increasingly difficult to keep consuming what I was. Even while purchasing most meats from local butchers and local farms. I was exposed to the PETA style slaughterhouse exposè videos at an early age, like 8-10, by my older step-sister, and I lived with that cognitive dissonance for decades before I realized that the dopamine burst in my brain from a big reverse-seared New York strip wasn’t worth that cow’s life. I’m also in chicken country, and the big trucks going 80mph through freezing rain with hundreds of suffering birds in uncovered cages...those caused me a few serious attacks of overwhelming guilt and deep, black sadness.

I’m a perpetual novice lifter, so I don’t have anything to add that anyone else wouldn’t already know about that. I used to make sure I was getting 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass, but lately I honestly can’t be bothered. I half-assedly want to lose some more weight before I start bulking, purely so that I can go for longer before I reach the top of my comfortable-weight window, but counting calories and maintaining a deficit is goddamn difficult. So now I just do my full body program 3x/week and eat what I feel like and hope for the best. Probably a fast lane to burnout and loss of motivation.

Let me be on topic for a second though. The reason I read through the thread is because I’m growing mostly organic also, and I’m becoming increasingly interested in trying liquid or powder organic feed like the EJ or maybe Bio-Bizz. My last (first) run and this one have been Ocean Forest amended with plant meals, barley, etc since around week 4 and fed occasional Big Bloom and silica for the most part. The lack of control over what nutrients the plant has available to it is definitely the worst part of this type of grow. My last one, she was an outdoor plant in a 20gal, and I was amending with amounts for a 20gal pot, but she wasn’t a 20gal plant. She never got enough direct sun to grow to that potential, she was only ~4ft or so. She ended up with pretty bad N tox all through the last few weeks of flower and there wasn’t a thing to do about it except transplant, which I couldn’t be bothered to do at that point.

Similarly, my current run with the same style, except pot sizes more appropriate for the plants’ sizes, has had deficiencies that I’ve been unable to rapidly correct, because I don’t have the means to get the plants a direct dose of what they need. In this case I think that was magnesium and N, so in a hurry to fix my problems I fed inorganic calmag, and Grow Big for chelated N. Now the nutes are in the soil, but I’ve potentially screwed up the microbiology in my pots and they may not have the pH-buffering capacity to get the food to the plant.

Basically, a moderate dose of dry to get through veg, and then liquid nutes during flower when things tend to get pickier, sounds like a much more controllable way to do organic farming. At the same time, part of me wants to try this again but with regular doses of recharge and a *thick* mulch layer to protect my bennies.

Anyways, that’s about everything I’ve wanted to say as I read these last 39 pages. The plants look gorgeous, and I’ll be watching very closely and taking notes for my next grows.
 
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Unfamiliar with them. But not as lame as Dream Theatre.
Lame and metal kind of go hand-in-hand a lot of the time... it's one of the great things about it.
It's like, Pitchfork metal i guess. I like the album sunbather.

I always found metal communities intimidating. I think partly because I don't have a great ear for guitar. But also because a genuine metal club or show is pretty intense.
 
_mahavishnu

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What are we talking? Dream Theatre? Intronaut? Liquid Tension/Trio? Animals as Leaders? Russian Circles? Baroness? Pelican?

Oh yeah, all of the above. Though I’m ‘bout tired of Dream Theater lol. They became very safe and boring, and honestly have always been an instrumental band with someone doing karaoke over it to me...sorry James.

I saw Intronaut, Animals As Leaders, and Meshuggah all together back in ‘13 or ‘14 which was unbelievable. My trifecta is/was AAL, Meshuggah, and Between The Buried & Me. I’ve seen every possible combination of the three together over the years.

I think I saw Russian Circles opening for one of the above too. They’re good, but their bassist, Brian Cook, was a founding member of Botch, who were one of my favorite metal bands ever. Similar to the Dillinger Escape Plan.

edit: Sunbather is one of the best metal albums of the ‘10s, without a doubt. An amazing debut. Their next one was still cool, but I never got deep into Deafheaven. No doubt because of their vocalist acting weird on stage.
 
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It's like, Pitchfork metal i guess. I like the album sunbather.

I always found metal communities intimidating. I think partly because I don't have a great ear for guitar. But also because a genuine metal club or show is pretty intense.

I'll have to have a listen.

I'll go from Scandinavian black metal to Kay Gardner, so... I'm kind of lame-deaf.
 
dire wolf

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Finally caught up! I spent a few hours last night and this morning reading through the thread so far.

Y’all were talking animal rights and psychs AND lifting without me? Ok, who’s gonna bring up progressive metal LOL.

It all ties together (the first three). I inched toward my personal choice to go vegetarian last year through a handful of revelatory trips making it increasingly difficult to keep consuming what I was. Even while purchasing most meats from local butchers and local farms. I was exposed to the PETA style slaughterhouse exposè videos at an early age, like 8-10, by my older step-sister, and I lived with that cognitive dissonance for decades before I realized that the dopamine burst in my brain from a big reverse-seared New York strip wasn’t worth that cow’s life. I’m also in chicken country, and the big trucks going 80mph through freezing rain with hundreds of suffering birds in uncovered cages...those caused me a few serious attacks of overwhelming guilt and deep, black sadness.

I’m a perpetual novice lifter, so I don’t have anything to add that anyone else wouldn’t already know about that. I used to make sure I was getting 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass, but lately I honestly can’t be bothered. I half-assedly want to lose some more weight before I start bulking, purely so that I can go for longer before I reach the top of my comfortable-weight window, but counting calories and maintaining a deficit is goddamn difficult. So now I just do my full body program 3x/week and eat what I feel like and hope for the best. Probably a fast lane to burnout and loss of motivation.

Let me be on topic for a second though. The reason I read through the thread is because I’m growing mostly organic also, and I’m becoming increasingly interested in trying liquid or powder organic feed like the EJ or maybe Bio-Bizz. My last (first) run and this one have been Ocean Forest amended with plant meals, barley, etc since around week 4 and fed occasional Big Bloom and silica for the most part. The lack of control over what nutrients the plant has available to it is definitely the worst part of this type of grow. My last one, she was an outdoor plant in a 20gal, and I was amending with amounts for a 20gal pot, but she wasn’t a 20gal plant. She never got enough direct sun to grow to that potential, she was only ~4ft or so. She ended up with pretty bad N tox all through the last few weeks of flower and there wasn’t a thing to do about it except transplant, which I couldn’t be bothered to do at that point.

Similarly, my current run with the same style, except pot sizes more appropriate for the plants’ sizes, has had deficiencies that I’ve been unable to rapidly correct, because I don’t have the means to get the plants a direct dose of what they need. In this case I think that was magnesium and N, so in a hurry to fix my problems I fed inorganic calmag, and Grow Big for chelated N. Now the nutes are in the soil, but I’ve potentially screwed up the microbiology in my pots and they may not have the pH-buffering capacity to get the food to the plant.

Basically, a moderate dose of dry to get through veg, and then liquid nutes during flower when things tend to get pickier, sounds like a much more controllable way to do organic farming. At the same time, part of me wants to try this again but with regular doses of recharge and a *thick* mulch layer to protect my bennies.

Anyways, that’s about everything I’ve wanted to say as I read these last 39 pages. The plants look gorgeous, and I’ll be watching very closely and taking notes for my next grows.
And that's all I have to say about that ! Thanks Forrest Gump 😂
 
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Oh yeah, all of the above. Though I’m ‘bout tired of Dream Theater lol. They became very safe and boring, and honestly have always been an instrumental band with someone doing karaoke over it to me...sorry James.

I saw Intronaut, Animals As Leaders, and Meshuggah all together back in ‘13 or ‘14 which was unbelievable. My trifecta is/was AAL, Meshuggah, and Between The Buried & Me. I’ve seen every possible combination of the three together over the years.

I think I saw Russian Circles opening for one of the above too. They’re good, but their bassist, Brian Cook, was a founding member of Botch, who were one of my favorite metal bands ever. Similar to the Dillinger Escape Plan.

edit: Sunbather is one of the best metal albums of the ‘10s, without a doubt. An amazing debut. Their next one was still cool, but I never got deep into Deafheaven. No doubt because of their vocalist acting weird on stage.
Yeah i watched a YouTube video of them performing....idk.

But the music.
 
_mahavishnu

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Yeah i watched a YouTube video of them performing....idk.

But the music.

For the opposite, a stage full of guys with no hang-ups, no pretentiousness, just doing their thing and letting their energy fly, check out Turnstile’s July 27 2014 set at This Is Hardcore festival. That’s the kind of show I’m into. Yeah they’re all beating each other's asses but it’s in the name of good fun and everyone’s ok with it ok???
 
bellumromanum

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What are we talking? Dream Theatre? Intronaut? Liquid Tension/Trio? Animals as Leaders? Russian Circles? Baroness? Pelican?
Unfamiliar with them. But not as lame as Dream Theatre.
Lame and metal kind of go hand-in-hand a lot of the time... it's one of the great things about it.

Bro I can't believe you did Dream Theatre like that. Yea they were never 'hardcore' but Fatal Tragedy changed my adolescence.

Anyone into the darker stuff? Slaughter to Prevail? Conducting from the Grave? Texas in July? (I guess they're not so dark)
 
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Bro I can't believe you did Dream Theatre like that. Yea they were never 'hardcore' but Fatal Tragedy changed my adolescence.

Anyone into the darker stuff? Slaughter to Prevail? Conducting from the Grave? Texas in July? (I guess they're not so dark)
Don't get me wrong at all. I love them and I think they're some of the best musicians since The Mothers of Invention. But you can't deny the lameness... and embrace it!!
 
bellumromanum

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It's like, Pitchfork metal i guess. I like the album sunbather.

I always found metal communities intimidating. I think partly because I don't have a great ear for guitar. But also because a genuine metal club or show is pretty intense.

This is why I have Baphomet hanging in my garage and I cultivate a large muscled bearded angry dude look. It intimidates most people enough that they don't bother me - and it helps invite the assumption that I'm large and stupid. You can learn a lot from that posture.
 
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