L.E.D. Argument Thread For Dummies:)

[Aqua Man]

Yeah, because crypto & Chinese bigotry has SO much to do with LED lights.

Ok the difference here is nobody's taking things to far... time to let it go. The punish everyone because I was is well... getting old.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Yeah, because crypto & Chinese bigotry has SO much to do with LED lights.

This thread was an insult to those not coddling our dishonest sponser. Defending the argument thread makes no sense. This wasnt for our benefit. It was to save the sponser. Pretty good idea from @1diesel1 but we never took it seriously.


and if there is any doubt about the quality or effacy of a lamp then the company is not following standard lighting industry procedures. Because i can buy a freaking desk lamp and know the spread exactly if its a reputable lighting company.

The “chinese” lamp companies rely on uneducated consumers to trust them. But it is obvious the regular customer does not. Or we wouldnt have 100’s of pages of threads proving their lies and bad quality.


argue that mofo! :-)

 

[gorillaglueaaron]

This thread was an insult to those not coddling our dishonest sponser. Defending the good thread makes no sense. This wasnt for our benefit. It was to save the sponser. Pretty good idea from @1diesel1 but we never took it seriously.


and if there is any doubt about the quality or effacy of a lamp then the company is not following standard lighting industry procedures. Because i can buy a freaking desk lamp and know the spread exactly if its a reputable lighting company.

The “chinese” lamp companies rely on uneducated consumers to trust them. But it is obvious the regular customer does not. Or we wouldnt have 100’s of pages of threads proving their lies and bad quality.


argue that mofo! :-)

Actually I suggested he make this thread. He made this partly as a joke and partly to actually save people's threads. Regardless of the validity of your comments, they were taking over people's threads (not just d1d's, not just sponsored ones and even threads that weren't intended to be about LEDs.)

He (rightfully) was giving people like you and me the ability to argue about this without interrupting people's threads. And it seems like it's generally working.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Actually I suggested he make this thread. He made this partly as a joke and partly to actually save people's threads. Regardless of the validity of your comments, they were taking over people's threads (not just d1d's, not just sponsored ones and even threads that weren't intended to be about LEDs.)

He (rightfully) was giving people like you and me the ability to argue about this without interrupting people's threads. And it seems like it's generally working.

But all the chinese light reps are following me according to my alerts. Im scared.

 

[Moshmen]

discovering poor light spread with LEDs with my new Mars lights. It might be premature in saying this, but I’m not sure if LEDs are the answer to good grows. A combination of lights is probably gonna do it. Or side LED lighting. That or maybe some solexx greenhouse covering to diffuse the light across the space. I can try one plant with diffused light and the other just exposed regularly. Anyone ever tried diffusing the LED light before it reaches the plant?

U said Mars! Lmao

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

This thread was an insult to those not coddling our dishonest sponser. Defending the argument thread makes no sense. This wasnt for our benefit. It was to save the sponser. Pretty good idea from @1diesel1 but we never took it seriously.


and if there is any doubt about the quality or effacy of a lamp then the company is not following standard lighting industry procedures. Because i can buy a freaking desk lamp and know the spread exactly if its a reputable lighting company.

The “chinese” lamp companies rely on uneducated consumers to trust them. But it is obvious the regular customer does not. Or we wouldnt have 100’s of pages of threads proving their lies and bad quality.


argue that mofo! :-)

While our opinions vary on who makes good LED grow lights, I 100% support your statement above. I take insult when I see these wildly good numbers, only to find those numbers are only valid at 12" .... where another manufacturer's might list at 18" or sometimes even more ... and then hiding these details in easy to miss fine-print. That's deceptive advertising ... and we should all be fighting to remove the deception from the advertising so that numbers are easy to interpret without getting out a microscope to read the fine print.

Another example - A product advertised as producing 1500w or 2000w of light but only pulls 200w from the wall? That's just nuts to me.

 

[Moshmen]

it disturbs me you know how to find this. ;-)

Dave.... Dave’s not here

 

[LaVirtue]

I’m pretty inexperienced with lighting - I basically am stumbling along. I had a few horrible blurple LEDs until just a few months ago and then I got an SF2000 for my 3 x 3.

The only reason I chose it was that it seemed to be a lot less $ than other LEDs.

It’s very very confusing for a newbie like me to understand what to buy. And I wish i could afford the more expensive stuff but I can’t.

My plants seem to like this light a lot. But I don’t know if a more expensive light would be even better ?

 

[Aqua Man]

Gnite boys, girls and others.... may the LED rage flow through you and may you avoid the civility, common sense and respect that the HID plauge may try to bestow upon you.

Yeah I'm that tired...

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

I’m pretty inexperienced with lighting - I basically am stumbling along. I had a few horrible blurple LEDs until just a few months ago and then I got an SF2000 for my 3 x 3.

The only reason I chose it was that it seemed to be a lot less $ than other LEDs.

It’s very very confusing for a newbie like me to understand what to buy. And I wish i could afford the more expensive stuff but I can’t.

My plants seem to like this light a lot. But I don’t know if a more expensive light would be even better ?

While I don't see your SF2000 as a bad purchase because it really is a decent light, I do have issues with them calling it a "2000" when it only pulls 201w from the wall. I think this is what is making problems for the newbie. They buy something thinking it's much more than it is only to be disappointed with their results because it didn't live up to the purchaser's expectation.

 

[MIMedGrower]

I’m pretty inexperienced with lighting - I basically am stumbling along. I had a few horrible blurple LEDs until just a few months ago and then I got an SF2000 for my 3 x 3.

The only reason I chose it was that it seemed to be a lot less $ than other LEDs.

It’s very very confusing for a newbie like me to understand what to buy. And I wish i could afford the more expensive stuff but I can’t.

My plants seem to like this light a lot. But I don’t know if a more expensive light would be even better ?

your light is fine for your space. And the company seems present so it should be easy to contact them for a problem.

We are arguing about them lying about their numbers and even their actual brand.

 

[MIMedGrower]

While I don't see your SF2000 as a bad purchase because it really is a decent light, I do have issues with them calling it a "2000" when it only pulls 201w from the wall. I think this is what is making problems for the newbie. They buy something thinking it's much more than it is only to be disappointed with their results because it didn't live up to the purchaser's expectation.

and they should still call it Meihzi like it is.


how well would they sell if they had been honest about who they were? Plenty of identical looking boards on amazon to choose instead. They are just another amazon import budget product seller. But now websites like ours have artificially built them up.


think they pay their employees fairly? How bout some profit sharing while they get huge in sales?


and how bout some training for our rep? I still have not seen one question answered with any product knowledge.


whew. I would fire a sales person who couldnt learn our product. And have had to many times as a sales manager.

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

your light is fine for your space. And the company seems present so it should be easy to contact them for a problem.

We are arguing about them lying about their numbers and even their actual brand.

I'd agree with that ... there's nothing wrong with your purchase @LaVirtue but plenty wrong with the way it's been advertised.

 

[JJS009]

You want argument, here we go:

If you have a plug in watt meter please try this experiment and report your results.

plug in just the driver and report watts

plug driver into light board and report watts

then we can discuss how “watts from the wall per sqft” doesn’t mean shit but everyone seems to like to use it for pissing matches every day

 

[MIMedGrower]

You want argument, here we go:

If you have a plug in watt meter please try this experiment and report your results.

plug in just the driver and report watts

plug driver into light board and report watts

then we can discuss how “watts from the wall per sqft” doesn’t mean shit but everyone seems to like to use it for pissing matches every day

huh? Who says watts from the wall? I want to know lamp output.

 

[JJS009]

huh? Who says watts from the wall? I want to know lamp output.

Look in every single LED discussion here and you will see “but what does it draw from the wall?” Somewhere in it.

This one may be the exception lol, after reading all 38 pages I may have missed it

 

[MIMedGrower]

Look in every single LED discussion here and you will see “but what does it draw from the wall?” Somewhere in it.

This one may be the exception lol, after reading all 38 pages I may have missed it

ok. I have seen that. Honestly no one should have to check ppfd or watts when buying a light fixture. All that is supposed to be accurately listed. If not i dont trust the company.

 

[JJS009]

ok. I have seen that. Honestly no one should have to check ppfd or watts when buying a light fixture. All that is supposed to be accurately listed. If not i dont trust the company.

I agree 100%

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

Look in every single LED discussion here and you will see “but what does it draw from the wall?” Somewhere in it.

This one may be the exception lol, after reading all 38 pages I may have missed it

Watts from the wall allow you to see if the lighting manufacturer is misrepresenting their product ... For example, the light produces 2000w worth of light but when you read the small print, it's only pulling 200w from the wall. It's not to be used as a gauge to judge a quality light. Only a starting point as to even consider buying it when a manufacturer is making such absurd claims. It's not a measurement of how much light it puts out.

PPFD is usually what we're looking for in determining how good a light might be.

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

ok. I have seen that. Honestly no one should have to check ppfd or watts when buying a light fixture. All that is supposed to be accurately listed. If not i dont trust the company.

I think @MIMedGrower just said what I'm trying to say in a much clearer way.