L.E.D. Argument Thread For Dummies:)

[PiffinOut]

Crypto currency doesn't do shit but help governments launder blackmail money they owe each other.

Yall wonder why America has a fucking religious empire solely dedicated to scamming old people and sending their money to Israel? Ask Ghislane.

One oculd argue the dollar does more of that than crypto. Lets get off politics and finance. T

I'd say it depends on the shape of the grow space!

For my flower spot, 2x6 right now, I think that it would likely be LED bars, but be placed at intersecting angles for maximum exposure. Facing down is nice, but there's potential for more exposure to light in a waved pattern.

Can you elaborate what you mean by "Facing down is nice, but there's potential for more exposure to light in a waved pattern."

 

[Oldman13]

I'll use Miracle-Gro products outside, in the vegetable garden. Only Fox Farm comes into the house for my indoor grows. which I like. I've also used FFOF, which I like even better than Happy Frog.

And yes I use Happy Frog soil but I mix Coco coir chips with it

It's Miracle somebody understands Miracle Grow... after all it has time release in Miracle-Gro which will be released at the wrong time,,, and I believe in fox farm products majority of the time

I use Happy Frog soil but I mix Coco coir chips with it so it goes longer holds more moisture and air in the soil..... I swear to God you make one wrong move and here like I miss your mark by 1 thousands of an inch it then takes you to Timbuktu. And it takes me 5 minutes to find where I was if I can ever find it again gee whiz

 

[Oldman13]

Recap.. about Miracle-Gro having some kind of suspended animation bugs in it I will find that one hard to believe... I guess in some people's world it could have! But if it did in reality I think the whole world would know about that pretty quick! Something like that would be hard to keep a lid on! Unless I misread what you said which is feasible.

And yes I use Happy Frog soil but I mix Coco coir chips with it I use Happy Frog soil but I mix Coco coir chips with it so it goes longer holds more moisture and air in the soil..... I swear to God you make one wrong move and here like I miss your mark by 1 thousands of an inch it then takes you to Timbuktu. And it takes me 5 minutes to find where I was if I can ever find it again gee whiz

Oh yeah if I did say Miracle Grow had some kind of a bug in it I wouldn't use it on anything I mean anything anything at all ever... needless to say I don't use Miracle Grow mainly because of the time release food... I just don't seem to need an overabundance of nitrogen to be released into my budding plants... Oh my God just even think of it having some type of creepy crawling little bug inside of it would scare the hell out of me

 

[PiffinOut]

You want argument, here we go:

If you have a plug in watt meter please try this experiment and report your results.

plug in just the driver and report watts

plug driver into light board and report watts

then we can discuss how “watts from the wall per sqft” doesn’t mean shit but everyone seems to like to use it for pissing matches every day

when i used to frequent the plantedtank and barrreport forums the members on those aquarium forums would send each other a a a forum sponsored or forum donated par meter to test all their fixtures in a uniform manner and post results for the forum to dissect.

Perhaps the elders in the group should collectively come together and purchase or source a donoation device to do this and lend it between various respected longterm forum users who are at a low risk for pocketing the par meter. Im suprised you havent convinced site sponsors to supply atleast one PAR device to measure PPFDs for you guys to use collectively amongst the respected elder members. You could trade and send through the mail to each other to learn and use and analyze different lighting setups and then the forum would be alot better off.

This strategy of forum sharing and learning worked great in supporting the fishkeeping community more knowledgable, well informed and truthful.

 

[Oldman13]

Quite honestly doesn't seem that where I'm at in th farmer I always feel like I'm in the same place lost I could have swore I posted a comment on this China crap cuz that's what it is trying to crap
LOL output.. SF 1000 output 2-foot by 2-foot area I believe it says kind of sucks if you ask meView attachment 1096995

 

[Oldman13]

when i used to frequent the plantedtank and barrreport forums the members on those aquarium forums would send each other a a a forum sponsored or forum donated par meter to test all their fixtures in a uniform manner and post results for the forum to dissect.

Perhaps the elders in the group should collectively come together and purchase or source a donoation device to do this and lend it between various respected longterm forum users who are at a low risk for pocketing the par meter. Im suprised you havent convinced site sponsors to supply atleast one PAR device to measure PPFDs for you guys to use collectively amongst the respected elder members. You could trade and send through the mail to each other to learn and use and analyze different lighting setups and then the forum would be alot better off.

This strategy of forum sharing and learning worked great in supporting the fishkeeping community more knowledgable, well informed and truthful.

Last time I used a plug-in wattmeter oh my God this is watt happened~~>

 

[LaVirtue]

I guess that would depend on what you think 2000 means in SF 2000 ! .. it really means is that this fixture holds to SF 1000 Lights and I'm pretty sure that a sf-1000 doesn't draw a thousand watts of electricity either

I guess that would depend on what you think 2000 means in SF 2000 ! .. it really means is that this fixture holds to SF 1000 Lights and I'm pretty sure that a sf-1000 doesn't draw a thousand watts of electricity either

It’s funny but I never thought much about the name SF1000, SF2000, etc. I thought it was just the model number

 

[Oldman13]

Last time I used a plug-in wattmeter oh my God this is watt happened~~>

It was exhilarating and I must do it again sometime:-) :-) :-)

 

[Oldman13]

It was exhilarating and I must do it again sometime:-) :-) :-)

Oh my God I just realized I'm out of hash!...

... Well at least I tumbled then separated some trichomes just the other day so oh, so all I have to do is press it, that's not easy part

 

[Oldman13]

Oh my God I just realized I'm out of hash!...View attachment 1097035... Well at least I tumbled then separated some trichomes just the other day so oh, so all I have to do is press it, that's not easy part

Typo correction... Damn it was supposed to say it is the easy part!

 

[Oldman13]

Typo correction... Damn it was supposed to say it is the easy part!

Tumbling it then separating the tumbled trichomes twice that's the hard part that's where all the work and time is consumed... I mean it's easier to make dab but damn cost money to make and I don't really like smoking dab, by itself so I do make it I put it back and make (super hash) putting back the the extract it's where it's at...

 

[PiffinOut]

Watts from the wall allow you to see if the lighting manufacturer is misrepresenting their product ... For example, the light produces 2000w worth of light but when you read the small print, it's only pulling 200w from the wall. It's not to be used as a gauge to judge a quality light. Only a starting point as to even consider buying it when a manufacturer is making such absurd claims. It's not a measurement of how much light it puts out.

PPFD is usually what we're looking for in determining how good a light might be.

Agreed. Going further, not only just PPFD, but healthy plant specific spectrum, and canopy penetration are the three things in general care about with general lighting Ive found for both horticulture and aquascaping. A fourth would be efficiency.

 

[Aqua Man]

Agreed. Going further, not only just PPFD, but healthy plant specific spectrum, and canopy penetration are the three things in general care about with general lighting Ive found for both horticulture and aquascaping. A fourth would be efficiency.

Imo intensity trumps all in terms of yield... spectrum next in terns of structure... penetration... well not really a thing IMO. green penetrates well and any full spectrum has plenty. Efficacy matter on scale but is also important for heat

 

[gorillaglueaaron]

Imo intensity trumps all in terms of yield... spectrum next in terns of structure... penetration... well not really a thing IMO. green penetrates well and any full spectrum has plenty. Efficacy matter on scale but is also important for heat

Not an opinion, that's a fact.

But intensity doesn't actually mean anything. Any light can give you 1000 ppfd but most only in the middle and will burn the plant. Efficacy + coverage = overall intensity which is important.

 

[Aqua Man]

Not an opinion, that's a fact.

But intensity doesn't actually mean anything. Any light can give you 1000 ppfd but most only in the middle and will burn the plant. Efficacy + coverage = overall intensity which is important.

Not really... intensity is the photon density.. efficacy has to do with how much electric energy is converted to photons... you can increase density by distance or adding another light. You can have an extremely efficient light that is not close enough and thus low intensity. Intensity imo means the most but yes even coverage is important. This is where cobs do better at a further distance and steips closer... then the amount of light bleed or loss also need to be looked at when trying to optimize coverage.

This is why I feel the more diodes at a lower wattage has a large advantage because they can be kept close and really reduce the amount of light lost.

 

[Oldman13]

U said Mars! Lmao

Mister Martian how does feel 2 live in a Sub-Zero climate at times? Brushing that red dust off of your plants daily must become an irritant at times?! Hurricane Creek what I was looking for the best thing to use in my grow rooms to reflect light back towards my plants, it told me white flat paint which I never heard about in the past. And also diffusers the light for you personally I've never really experienced hotspots but I guess that's why people diffuse and don't use mirrors anyway that's what I use basic white flat paint seems to work just fine... Not gloss not semi-gloss but flat white paint.... prior to that I don't know if you guys knew what aluminum sheeting is ? Butt it is used to cover air conditioning ductwork on a roof that's what I recently started out with it's not real smooth so it's got a diffusion built into it and to be honest I see no difference between that and the white flat paint I use now! Except maybe the price!.. but I inherited my aluminum sheeting from when I was a roofer in California and I hung on to it for years , until I was able to use it here where I'm at now,. Originally I covered the inside of my makeshift Grow rooms and outer walls built out of aluminum scaffolding. So not only is flat white paint easier to put on some cheaper if you had to buy the aluminum sheeting I'm sure it would be a fortune easy make that other stuff is a lot cheaper if you don't want to use white paint although the white flat paint Works excellent

 

[gorillaglueaaron]

Not really... intensity is the photon density.. efficacy has to do with how much electric energy is converted to photons... you can increase density by distance or adding another light. You can have an extremely efficient light that is not close enough and thus low intensity. Intensity imo means the most but yes even coverage is important. This is where cobs do better at a further distance and steips closer... then the amount of light bleed or loss also need to be looked at when trying to optimize coverage.

This is why I feel the more diodes at a lower wattage has a large advantage because they can be kept close and really reduce the amount of light lost.

I agree with you but I think you're confusing efficacy and efficiency. The efficiency is how much electric energy is converted to photons but efficacy is how many photons are produced.

 

[Kanzeon]

Can you elaborate what you mean by "Facing down is nice, but there's potential for more exposure to light in a waved pattern."

Think about looking at a quantum board from the side. Instead of the lights facing straight down, I'm talking about the same number of led's in bars that are shaped like a 35 degree inverted V to create lights that intersect at a 90 degree angle. Maybe even hinged together to be able to curve like a wooden rope bridge.

Ugh I'm going to have to learn how to build a light eventually. I can feel it now.

 

[Aqua Man]

I agree with you but I think you're confusing efficacy and efficiency. The efficiency is how much electric energy is converted to photons but efficacy is how many photons are produced.

It's the same... how many photons are produced per watt

 

[gorillaglueaaron]

It's the same... how many photons are produced per watt

I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

Efficacy: noun "the ability to produce a desired or intended result."

To put that into our example, the ability to produce light. I don't see how that could be interpreted as the ability to produce light given a certain wattage.