Dirtbags Hydroponics Thread.

[Dirtbag]

@MIMedGrower Czech this out!

 

[Dirtbag]

 

[SSgrower]

Nice clear netting, who makes that?

 

[Goodthingsgrow]

Good things coming soon!

Who is this pickin’ please?

 

[Dirtbag]

Who is this pickin’ please?

John Paul Jones of Led Zepplin

 

[Goodthingsgrow]

I heard the Zeppelin in there.
Wow, wouldn’t recognize him anymore.
Zep has always been my favourite.

 

[Dirtbag]

Nice clear netting, who makes that?

China. Lol, serious though I'm not sure what brand it is, my local hydro store sells it by the roll or in 6.5'x20' sections.

 

[PipeCarver]

China. Lol, serious though I'm not sure what brand it is, my local hydro store sells it by the roll or in 6.5'x20' sections.

Hey DB, I bought some DynoMyco a mycorrhizal inoculant and I used it during my transplants on the roots, in the hole and in the soil mixed in first..about 1tsp all together per 3 gallon pot. Some of these Mycro's additive companies are recommending using it with every second feed. Do you use it on a regular schedule? or just on roots and in the hole? It would get expensive using it bi-weekly.

 

[Dirtbag]

Hey DB, I bought some DynoMyco a mycorrhizal inoculant and I used it during my transplants on the roots, in the hole and in the soil mixed in first..about 1tsp all together per 3 gallon pot. Some of these Mycro's additive companies are recommending using it with every second feed. Do you use it on a regular schedule? or just on roots and in the hole? It would get expensive using it bi-weekly.

I just inoculated them once in veg by putting it in the transplant hole. But I don't think ill bother using it again, especially since I plan to only use Unislabs from now on.

 

[PipeCarver]

I just inoculated them once in veg by putting it in the transplant hole. But I don't think ill bother using it again, especially since I plan to only use Unislabs from now on.

I think I over did it by adding it to the soil as well as hole and roots, it needs to come in direct contact with the roots if not its..just out there ready to be picked up or not..
Companies recommend to use their shit everywhere...use it use it use it....buy more when you run out. I get it but how much is needed compared to recommended and as in nutes 1/2 - 3/4 is about it.
Great White says to use as I have & during every second feed. Wow I think I could buy pot for what it would cost to use that shit on 1 plant let alone a full crop...

...I've seen some Youtubers rave about Mycro's so I thought wtf If I can improve their root growth great...we'll see.

The silicate I used on the Gorilla clones helped ( placebo effect ) after 1 week. The main stalks on them were purple, my friend I got them from feeds way too heavy. The clones were in the 1300 ppm range with ph around 5.00 and the tree's I got from him were up around 2000 ppm after my first watering. I 've only watered them until this last week and I now have them at 600ppm & 6.00ph The flowering trees now are at 900 and ph in the 6's as well.

Anyways the stalks were purple and stiff and after 1 week after using the silicate the purple is just about gone and it has a better colour to it. I'll up the sliicate to 5ml/gal from here through veg and.....1st month of flower?...I had originally only thought of it for vegging but did I read you say up to 4-5 weeks in flower?

 

[Dirtbag]

I think I over did it by adding it to the soil as well as hole and roots, it needs to come in direct contact with the roots if not its..just out there ready to be picked up or not..
Companies recommend to use their shit everywhere...use it use it use it....buy more when you run out. I get it but how much is needed compared to recommended and as in nutes 1/2 - 3/4 is about it.
Great White says to use as I have & during every second feed. Wow I think I could buy pot for what it would cost to use that shit on 1 plant let alone a full crop...

...I've seen some Youtubers rave about Mycro's so I thought wtf If I can improve their root growth great...we'll see.

The silicate I used on the Gorilla clones helped ( placebo effect ) after 1 week. The main stalks on them were purple, my friend I got them from feeds way too heavy. The clones were in the 1300 ppm range with ph around 5.00 and the tree's I got from him were up around 2000 ppm after my first watering. I 've only watered them until this last week and I now have them at 600ppm & 6.00ph The flowering trees now are at 900 and ph in the 6's as well.

Anyways the stalks were purple and stiff and after 1 week after using the silicate the purple is just about gone and it has a better colour to it. I'll up the sliicate to 5ml/gal from here through veg and.....1st month of flower?...I had originally only thought of it for vegging but did I read you say up to 4-5 weeks in flower?

That's right I usually cut it out before the buds start their swelling phase. I've just heard it can make the buds a bit harsh and overly tough to bust up for rolling.

As for mycos, once it established there is no need to add more, it's there already. And honestly it stops working when Phosphorus levels go above 60ppm or so. I feel it's kind of a gimmick product. Trichoderma on the other hand is beneficial in combating root diseases, especially in heavily wet systems like coco and rockwool. Im using H2O2 instead.. @cemchris was right all along lol.

 

[MIMedGrower]

That's right I usually cut it out before the buds start their swelling phase. I've just heard it can make the buds a bit harsh and overly tough to bust up for rolling.

As for mycos, once it established there is no need to add more, it's there already. And honestly it stops working when Phosphorus levels go above 60ppm or so. I feel it's kind of a gimmick product. Trichoderma on the other hand is beneficial in combating root diseases, especially in heavily wet systems like coco and rockwool. Im using H2O2 instead.. @cemchris was right all along lol.

myco make little sense in a container that will be fertilized. I think it’s cheap and profitable so they start a fad.

 

[Dirtbag]

myco make little sense in a container that will be fertilized. I think it’s cheap and profitable so they start a fad.

Agree, I can see a place for it in an outdoor organic garden bed, but container plants fed mineral nutrients.. not much point.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Agree, I can see a place for it in an outdoor organic garden bed, but container plants fed mineral nutrients.. not much point.

I think outside it would occur naturally with enough organic content.

fox farms products tell it like it is funny enough.

Happy frog is their budget (read cheap) potting soil. They inoculate it because it has little organic content.

ocean forest is their premium potting soil. It does not have or need inoculation as it has plenty of organic content.

And they do not inoculate their outdoor garden soil either I believe.

I see myco in my pots at transplant from time to time but none has been introduced by me.

 

[Dirtbag]

I think outside it would occur naturally with enough organic content.

fox farms products tell it like it is funny enough.

Happy frog is their budget (read cheap) potting soil. They inoculate it because it has little organic content.

ocean forest is their premium potting soil. It does not have or need inoculation as it has plenty of organic content.

And they do not inoculate their outdoor garden soil either I believe.

I see myco in my pots at transplant from time to time but none has been introduced by me.

I believe you are likely correct MiMed. As usual.

 

[MIMedGrower]

I believe you are likely correct MiMed. As usual.

thanks I try to know before I post. Try to ;-)

 

[Dr.Green55]

There are many benefits to adding microbes/fungi to container that will be feed with fertilizer, most soilless mixes are sterilized, by adding microbes you can saturate the mix with good bacteria, preventing pathogens, disease, insects etc. creating a much lesser chance for the need for pesticides or fungicides. for no other reason it should be used for that. but they still aid in the uptake of nutrients, they produce hormones, some fungi produces gibberellin. they make amino acids- chelates, B vitamins, water retention, help with nutrient lock up etc etc . I wouldn't say they have no benefit, Personally I wouldn't say that they stop working when Phosphorus levels go above 60ppm or so either, they may not thrive or reproduce as fast but there are still billions and billions at work. Bacteria eat phosphate, potassium, sulfate nitrate etc. . Bacteria and fungi need these nutrients as much as plants do. the Ion that the plant uptakes from organic or Synthetic is 100% exactly the same, in organic, microbes need to break it down for plant uptake, in synthetic they don't as its readily available, but those ions regardless if from organic or synthetic are exactly the same.

 

[Dirtbag]

There are many benefits to adding microbes/fungi to container that will be feed with fertilizer, most soilless mixes are sterilized, by adding microbes you can saturate the mix with good bacteria, preventing pathogens, disease, insects etc. creating a much lesser chance for the need for pesticides or fungicides. for no other reason it should be used for that. but they still aid in the uptake of nutrients, they produce hormones, some fungi produces gibberellin. they make amino acids- chelates, B vitamins, water retention, help with nutrient lock up etc etc . I wouldn't say they have no benefit, Personally I wouldn't say that they stop working when Phosphorus levels go above 60ppm or so either, they may not thrive or reproduce as fast but there are still billions and billions at work. Bacteria eat phosphate, potassium, sulfate nitrate etc. . Bacteria and fungi need these nutrients as much as plants do. the Ion that the plant uptakes from organic or Synthetic is 100% exactly the same, in organic, microbes need to break it down for plant uptake, in synthetic they don't as its readily available, but those ions regardless if from organic or synthetic are exactly the same.

I agree there is some benefit to some exogenous bacteria and trichoderma in certain systems, i just don't think mycos is all that beneficial. It's mycorrhizae specifically that is inhibited by elevated P levels, not all beneficial bacteria and other fungi, just Mycorrhizae.

 

[MIMedGrower]

There are many benefits to adding microbes/fungi to container that will be feed with fertilizer, most soilless mixes are sterilized, by adding microbes you can saturate the mix with good bacteria, preventing pathogens, disease, insects etc. creating a much lesser chance for the need for pesticides or fungicides. for no other reason it should be used for that. but they still aid in the uptake of nutrients, they produce hormones, some fungi produces gibberellin. they make amino acids- chelates, B vitamins, water retention, help with nutrient lock up etc etc . I wouldn't say they have no benefit, Personally I wouldn't say that they stop working when Phosphorus levels go above 60ppm or so either, they may not thrive or reproduce as fast but there are still billions and billions at work. Bacteria eat phosphate, potassium, sulfate nitrate etc. . Bacteria and fungi need these nutrients as much as plants do. the Ion that the plant uptakes from organic or Synthetic is 100% exactly the same, in organic, microbes need to break it down for plant uptake, in synthetic they don't as its readily available, but those ions regardless if from organic or synthetic are exactly the same.

there is much evidence that adding microbes causes a bloom that competes with the plants for nutrients. Then when the excess nutrients are gone the microbes die off.

and the microbes and myco compete as well.

Needed micro life appears spontaneously with plants as needed. They don’t need our products at all. That was my point about ocean forest. Where did the myco come from? Fox farm did not add it.

 

[PipeCarver]

I agree there is some benefit to some exogenous bacteria and trichoderma in certain systems, i just don't think mycos is all that beneficial. It's mycorrhizae specifically that is inhibited by elevated P levels, not all beneficial bacteria and other fungi, just Mycorrhizae.

It must have some benefit to the plants for the products to become so well known and expensive. I can't see products like Great White that cost a fortune to use existing if there's no benefit with their product. It's been around for years so someone must be buying it and if it doesn't noticeably give better results and more root growth who'd buy it twice?

I've watched & listened to video's describing and showing the results and after just a few weeks on Cannabis plants with side by side comparisons & those that got the Myco's the root growth was extreme comparatively so I thought WTF giver a try.

It was specifically talked about using the GH nute's, ( not a GH sponsored video ) there was no mention of it being useless with phosphorus added but it's really just used in veg to help expand its root network & their ability to provide nutrients to the plant. By the time I start adding extra phosphorus in flower the networks should be established so its done its job.....No? Yes?