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[CurtisBlow916]

Ok here we go.... TONE IT DOWN IN HERE

We all on the same team have a gummie bear and chill.

Thank you kindly.

I think I might have just gotten shocked that a 30 year pro is asking me why

 

[Frankster]

Ok here we go.... TONE IT DOWN IN HERE

We all on the same team have a gummie bear and chill.

Thank you kindly.

Lights, who would guess.

Come on fella's, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and people are free to do things differently, no reason to be disrespectful about it. There's not any one right way too grow cannabis.

Choose to make your positions known, then move along. You can't force people to adopt your positions.
Life doesn't work that way (very well).

 

[Aqua Man]

Exactly I’m simply explaining the act of conducting and experiment will provide you with the accurate information you need to determine what’s the best methods etc.. not skill.. not experience or any of those factor although they do matter I’m only focusing on the act of trying different things to see what works.. I didn’t know this was so frowned upon

There are experiments for probably almost anything you can think of cannabis related... in the end the conclusion is this does or does not work for this specific strain in this specific situation and that does not mean it does for all.

Like @HaveApuff said reading the plants and having an understanding of of how things interact and impact them is pretty much the only real answer.

Guides are very very subjective and numbers are poorly reliable at best on most cases. Syntoms added with number in some cases, history of the plant and all environmental factors usually give you the best chance of understanding how to tweak any of those. Change 1 and they all change.

 

[Aqua Man]

I think I might have just gotten shocked that a 30 year pro is asking me why

Psst read back please.... drop it and let's all have an adult debate... no more pooping in the sandbox or the toys are gonna be put away.

 

[CurtisBlow916]

The cool thing about this site is the experienced growers who are willing to help less experienced growers without an attitude. That said, I’ll take a ban - you know jack shit. On any other forum - you’d been laughed out of town after your first post. People have been growing plants for over 100,000 years and doing just fine before Super Bubble Gum Gooey Bud Booster was developed. The idea that you can watch a 30 minute video on wood working and ready to be the new host of the New Yankee Workshop is laughable. Come back after you’ve popped a few thousand beans. No one gives a rats ass about about what you read on the interweb, it doesn’t equate to actual experience or knowledge. There’s a ton of old school growers who keep up with the science. Mainly because they’re people who like to learn and aren’t all tied up in some sophomoric idea of their superior knowledge.

I literally come in with the mind set that I know nothing lol .. that’s where I think your mistaken.. I understand it takes experience to actually put what you learn to test but why not listen to a 30 year grower that is their willing to explain not only the WHAT but the WHY.. I think there’s too much “I’ve been doin this for this amount of time and I know best” in everything in life but I strongly believe that it doesn’t matter how long you’ve been doing great something you can always get better through the process of trying new things.. do you disagree ?

 

[CurtisBlow916]

I'll disagree with that 100% because I already know for sure that in many areas the new methods suck rotten dirt.
And that is from personal experience.

But you like to learn by experiment. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly.. but there are so many new products and so much new technology we can use to measure what a plant needs and when it needs it somebody has got to have a good method.. this all really started this pops not knowing what a control is idk how it got this far

 

[CurtisBlow916]

WTF??? You just don't get it! You are here looking for advice on equipment, nutes, etc., to achieve grow success... and then in the same breath, you (NOT ME), brings up some nonsense experiment idea about giving minimums to acquire some magic number to kill a plant(s), and achieve some kind of success by that. This is an oxymoron, pardon the pun I came here to give you advise this evening, and from your comments to me have been nothing but sarcastic and disrespectful, like you have some sense of entitlement, yet you have nothing to actually show for it Here's my conclusion already to my proposed hypothesis...IF you ever do get to grow a plant(s), and you manage to finish, I bet your plants MATURE before YOU do

So getting suggestions and putting them to the test is wrong are you afraid your methods won’t produce the results you predict.. You can never be afraid to fail..

 

[CurtisBlow916]

Lights, who would guess.

Come on fella's, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and people are free to do things differently, no reason to be disrespectful about it. There's not any one right way too grow cannabis.

Choose to make your positions known, then move along. You can't force people to adopt your positions.
Life doesn't work that way (very well).

Thank you cause regardless everyone is going to do what they want anyways.. I’m just simply taking what others tell me and putting them to a test to see what pans out the best is that so wrong ?

 

[CurtisBlow916]

Best Dang Nute Side By Side Testing I Have Ever Seen!!!

I bumped in to this in my travels and thought it might be helpful to some folks just starting out and are having trouble choosing from what I think is a dizzying array of nutes additives and other such marketing hype. This is a burglary of another mans thread but after review it does appear he...

www.thcfarmer.com

After reading this forum I thought I would be a good idea with newer and more variables. didn’t know the matriarchs would blow a fuse

 

[Frankster]

Thank you cause regardless everyone is going to do what they want anyways.. I’m just simply taking what others tell me and putting them to a test to see what pans out the best is that so wrong ?

No, it's not wrong, but there are better ways to get your point across, and then there's an immature way. So don't cross that line, and you'll be better off. People will take you more seriously, when you not disrespectful, and you take them seriously also.

We all do this for the love of the plant, not because any one of us are right, or wrong about any one thing. It's really not a pissing contest here. The bickering is not conducive to learning, and it won't be tolerated here, period.

I've held misconceptions about life for decades, so it's not surprising that anyone else can do the same.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Opps too late But I was drinking beer if that’s a defense.

BEER?! Damn Heretic.

 

[CurtisBlow916]

No, it's not wrong, but there is a professional way to do it, and there's an immature way. So don't cross that line, and you'll be better off for it. People will take you more seriously, when you not disrespectful, and you take them seriously also.

We all do this for the love of the plant, not because any one of us are right, or wrong about any one thing. It's really not a pissing contest here.

I actually hope to learn something from him and I hope he follows the grow so maybe if he has a reason why something happened he can chime in.. I’ve always believed the numbers are king and statistics to back those numbers up are queen.. Maybe by just reading more I’ll get my etiquette corrected but I’m not really good with sugar coating..

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

I literally come in with the mind set that I know nothing lol .. that’s where I think your mistaken.. I understand it takes experience to actually put what you learn to test but why not listen to a 30 year grower that is their willing to explain not only the WHAT but the WHY.. I think there’s too much “I’ve been doin this for this amount of time and I know best” in everything in life but I strongly believe that it doesn’t matter how long you’ve been doing great something you can always get better through the process of trying new things.. do you disagree ?

Hey man, It's ok. We get it. We've been there. You did nothing wrong except be excited and eager.
The internet is a tough place to be because you can not see or hear the other person and much of what they are telling you is lost. No body language, no tone of voice... that kind of stuff. It makes it VERY easy to misunderstand what was said. It happens a lot. Don't sweat it.
Just slow down a bit.

That's really what Puff was saying is to just cool back a bit and do some learning. So what if you learn a different way than he does? That's not wrong.
We just have to stop and make sure we are really getting what the other person is saying online. You know what I mean, yeah?

 

[Frankster]

I actually hope to learn something from him and I hope he follows the grow so maybe if he has a reason why something happened he can chime in.. I’ve always believed the numbers are king and statistics to back those numbers up are queen.. Maybe by just reading more I’ll get my etiquette corrected but I’m not really good with sugar coating..

Most of us here are not, but if you can learn, that's all that's required. Nobody's asking you to sugar coat anything, just be respectful.

 

[CurtisBlow916]

Basically this.. super dark leaves most likely nitrogen toxicity.. we all know and understand that.. but what I want to know is the reason.. is it because FFOF is only good for 4 weeks or did any of the other nutrients lock it out or did I mix them wrong or is it a genetic thats nitrogen sensitive … Also I want to know why the leaves turn dark green and curl , why do the top leaves seem to be effected more than the bottom ones, what’s the best action to take .. do you try to flush and take nitrogen out of the medium or try to amend and make fix the problem..

And that’s just one thing that can happen.. so I’m not just thinking about only a surface level but a cellular level also..

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Basically this.. super dark leaves most likely nitrogen toxicity.. we all know and understand that.. but what I want to know is the reason.. is it because FFOF is only good for 4 weeks or did any of the other nutrients lock it out or did I mix them wrong or is it a genetic thats nitrogen sensitive … Also I want to know why the leaves turn dark green and curl , why do the top leaves seem to be effected more than the bottom ones, what’s the best action to take .. do you try to flush and take nitrogen out of the medium or try to amend and make fix the problem..

And that’s just one thing that can happen.. so I’m not just thinking about only a surface level but a cellular level also..

Here is a good start.

Marijuana pH Levels for Growing Weed: A Basic Explanation

OK I'm going to do my best to explain PH since its something that is for the most part greatly misunderstood and can be confusing to new growers and even experienced growers alike. This will explain why we need both ppm and PH meters to give us informed information about PH This will be a...

www.thcfarmer.com

 

[CurtisBlow916]

Most of us here are not, but if you can learn, that's all that's required. Nobody's asking you to sugar coat anything, just be respectful.

I might have just gotten out of character.. I LOVE MY NUMBERS I stand by them to the end and the best thing for me is to just do it and record the data

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

If you really want to have a good idea of this stuff, take a basic plant biology course at the local night school or college.
That will help you understand what it is you need to know.
Also, go to Ed Rosenthal's site and read everything.

 

[CurtisBlow916]

Here is a good start.

Marijuana pH Levels for Growing Weed: A Basic Explanation

OK I'm going to do my best to explain PH since its something that is for the most part greatly misunderstood and can be confusing to new growers and even experienced growers alike. This will explain why we need both ppm and PH meters to give us informed information about PH This will be a...

www.thcfarmer.com

I’ve read that .. I was so a bent on RO water before I did .. thank god

 

[Frankster]

Pics? difficult to say. Nutrients aren't as simple as that, there's a ton of other factors at play. Read the above stuff, that's a good place to start. At some point, you got to dev into reading some of this, get into some of the various discussions on the boards, and go from there.

Nute issues are highly complex, and has to do with a multitude of factors.

Often times, there's simply no one clear thing that stands out from the rest.