Fast early yellowing and leaves pointing up.Help please.

[CookingBrownie]

Depending on what amendments were added to the dirt to help turn it into SOIL, its kind of a no no to add synthetic nutrients into the ground. It makes it pretty tough to diagnose a problem. A lot of folks do add nutes to the ground BUT...
My opinion, here is what I would do. If your sure its not bug related, I'd scruff up the soil on the surface, then do the pitch fork thing, push the forks into the soil out along the drip line. Then go get you some "Real Growers Recharge" make a batch of that, use as directed and water um.

I do the pitch fork thing once or twice a week and every 7 to 10 days I add recharge, in the mornings... I do it to all my Cannabis plants, house plants, Veggies etc... Fuckers stand

up like a Wedding Dick.

I think i cant get the Recharge im in Europe.I saw a few bugs in the roots wich i think are root Aphids they are not fungus gnats for sure . Im thinking of buying a microscope.I had a spider mitrs in veg treated successfully no more . I had thrips i treated and they are almost all gone.Could root aphids do yellowing damage like that?

But why half of the plant leaves are pointing up a few branches are pale green and yellow and the other half is looking good with leaves normal not pointing up and looking green.
Strange thing i have few years experience.

Thanks fo helping mee!!!

 

[Santa.ClausHOHOHO]

I don't want to sit here and try to diagnose the issues with your plants, leaves and roots, I am way to inexperienced.
But, it seems there is something out of balance, as in micro nutrients, if its not a bug issue.
Some sort of micro nutrient enhancing tea might be what's needed, key word Might.
Keep an open mind here and don't panic, yet...
Someone will pipe in and help you figure it out.

 

[GNick55]

i think the soil where you dug out your hole to fill with your mix is probably more clay and the roots won’t grow into it causing the issue as your roots are becoming more compact..
lots of good advice above from other growers.,
don’t panic.,
and no it’s not aphids

 

[HighRootz]

Do you have ants in or around the plant? If you dig up a bit of soil around the plant, do you see little brown bugs(root aphids)? Have you set out sticky yellow traps to catch any flying adult root gnats? If you have bugs in your root system cuz the ground is always moist, then I would do a soil drench or introduce beneficial nematodes into the ground to lurk on the lurkers that we can't see. From what was said above, your girl could be just hungry as she is using up whatever nutrients she has in her lower leaves to help develop her flowers. Introduce some beneficial microbes and nematodes along with a flower feeding schedule and you should be gold, Pony boy

 

[CookingBrownie]

Do you have ants in or around the plant? If you dig up a bit of soil around the plant, do you see little brown bugs(root aphids)? Have you set out sticky yellow traps to catch any flying adult root gnats? If you have bugs in your root system cuz the ground is always moist, then I would do a soil drench or introduce beneficial nematodes into the ground to lurk on the lurkers that we can't see. From what was said above, your girl could be just hungry as she is using up whatever nutrients she has in her lower leaves to help develop her flowers. Introduce some beneficial microbes and nematodes along with a flower feeding schedule and you should be gold, Pony boy

Well close to the stem i see a few bugs they are hard to see with naked eye but they look like aphids i saw in google dont think they are fungus because i know them and i water only when few inches are dry.I will try this with making holes in the roots maybe do a soil drench.Do i need to up the nutrients i give it and maybe add some N .Thanks for taking time and answering all.

 

[Aqua Man]

Adding synthetic nutrients is fine. The problem is they leech extremely easily so if you get rain you can kiss em goodbye.

You can give em a dose of synthetic at 3/4 the recommended. Those plants are well established.

I'd add something like Gaia 4-4-4.

What's your weather been like they look a bit underwatered on a regular basis

 

[CookingBrownie]

Adding synthetic nutrients is fine. The problem is they leech extremely easily so if you get rain you can kiss em goodbye.

You can give em a dose of synthetic at 3/4 the recommended. Those plants are well established.

I'd add something like Gaia 4-4-4.

What's your weather been like they look a bit underwatered on a regular basis

Well only thing i have in hand are Plagron nutrients
Terra Bloom - 2-2-4 reccomended 5ml/L using 2.5 ml / L
Green Sensation PK - 1ml reccomend using 0.5ml
Sugar royal - 9-0-0 used it 1 time in flowering now again cuz it got N

No they are in a greenhouse so no rain only hand watering im giving it like 4 5 liters a plant in 3 4 days if weather is not hot

Dont have Gaia in my stores ….

 

[Aqua Man]

Well only thing i have in hand are Plagron nutrients
Terra Bloom - 2-2-4 reccomended 5ml/L using 2.5 ml / L
Green Sensation PK - 1ml reccomend using 0.5ml
Sugar royal - 9-0-0 used it 1 time in flowering now again cuz it got N

No they are in a greenhouse so no rain only hand watering im giving it like 4 5 liters a plant in 3 4 days if weather is not hot

Dont have Gaia in my stores ….

1.25 gal every 4-5 days? I'd think they need more than that.

You are using 2 bloom nutrients?

Your ratios are absolutely crazy... 2-11-14

Terra Bloom would suffice by itself.

Idk how to correct that because you can't really flush but definitely drop the green sensation and yeah I'd add some N to the mix like you have.

You may want to water more often also and that should be done in the mornings.

 

[CookingBrownie]

1.25 gal every 4-5 days? I'd think they need more than that.

You are using 2 bloom nutrients?

Your ratios are absolutely crazy... 2-11-14

Terra Bloom would suffice by itself.

Idk how to correct that because you can't really flush but definitely drop the green sensation and yeah I'd add some N to the mix like you have.

You may want to water more often also and that should be done in the mornings.

Ok i made holes in the ground watered. I watered again with those ratios of nutes. But other plants Are good with those Sugar royal i water every 2 weeks but it saya bloom and green senaation are used together like atami bloom think bloombastic. Ive had friends with no problems giving them together.

going to water more.And usung half strenght of those nutes so. The npk isnt that strong i think.
Feeding chart

 

[CookingBrownie]

Bloom is basic nutrient amd Sensation is an additive least what is says.Plagron in Europe is a major brand for us growers so a lotta people use it.

 

[FOE20]

Its hungry bro.......its eating its reserves and telling you its running out...nothing bad...a very natural process...
Pot is Top down, meaning the newest growth is on the Tops and as the plant feeds from its roots - Up thru the Meristem, the Eats from the Top down....
How does the Tops look?....cause what you dont want to do is Over amend trying to fix nothing...heh..
This is a easy one....super simple...hope it helps
FOE20

 

[CookingBrownie]

Its hungry bro.......its eating its reserves and telling you its running out...nothing bad...a very natural process...
Pot is Top down, meaning the newest growth is on the Tops and as the plant feeds from its roots - Up thru the Meristem, the Eats from the Top down....
How does the Tops look?....cause what you dont want to do is Over amend trying to fix nothing...heh..
This is a easy one....super simple...hope it helps
FOE20

Thought it was eating from the bottom to the top lol.Good that i know that now.
Well the tops look pale lime green/yellowish .A few branches are really strange color and 1 half of the plant is green and the other one looks like lime yellow.
That is a almost top branch doesnt the color look strange ?

Sometimes at night it gets down to 8 10 Celsius but others not showing those signs

 

[Aqua Man]

Plants direct energy to new growth. Some nutrients are mobile and some immobile. Nitrogen is mobile and that's why you see the plant robbing older less efficient growth to feed the new growth.

I'm just gonna add my $0.02 then leave it be.

All these bloom boosters usually do more harm than good when growers don't understand how nutrient ratios effect the availability of other nutrients. Nutrient ratios are imo the MOST important part of nutrients.

I would bet anything if you kept your late veg or transition ratios you'd not see any of these issues.

Any nutrient feeding chart that cuts nitrogen to nothing at flip is just outdated and garbage imo. I cannot count how many times I have seen this and it's frustrating to watch. It's absolutely absurd to think they instantly change thier needs over night by an insane margin as listed.

Ok rant over. Hope ya get it sorted man

 

[nashobaTHC]

FWIW…a friend in Maine grew three different strains in FF ocean forest, each 4 ft apart and each fed and watered the same amount and same time with FF nutes and each plant grown in same location last year with all good results. This year the middle plant grew runty and yellow from bottom to top after 2 months while the two others were each nice and green and full. She pulled up the yellow plant to find poor root development but was not experienced enough to evaluate further. I suspect an insect problem for that plant only. Without seeing your problem plant in person I suspect you have some insect issues. If your problem plant doesn’t look like it will develop decent quality buds by end of season, I’d pull it and check roots and soil to determine problem. To me there’s nothing worse than fretting over a plant that’s showing real signs of failure while other nearby plants are doing well, but it’s your call. Good luck.

 

[mancorn]

^What Aqua Man said

 

[CookingBrownie]

Plants direct energy to new growth. Some nutrients are mobile and some immobile. Nitrogen is mobile and that's why you see the plant robbing older less efficient growth to feed the new growth.

I'm just gonna add my $0.02 then leave it be.

All these bloom boosters usually do more harm than good when growers don't understand how nutrient ratios effect the availability of other nutrients. Nutrient ratios are imo the MOST important part of nutrients.

I would bet anything if you kept your late veg or transition ratios you'd not see any of these issues.

Any nutrient feeding chart that cuts nitrogen to nothing at flip is just outdated and garbage imo. I cannot count how many times I have seen this and it's frustrating to watch. It's absolutely absurd to think they instantly change thier needs over night by an insane margin as listed.

Ok rant over. Hope ya get it sorted man

Thanks for the great answer,but bloom nutrient is 2-2-4 it doesnt cut it all of it.So any possible fix or recommendations how to go with the nutrients and what to keep up?

 

[Aqua Man]

Thanks for the great answer,but bloom nutrient is 2-2-4 it doesnt cut it all of it.So any possible fix or recommendations how to go with the nutrients and what to keep up?

I haven't looked at all the ingredients but I'd be something like 25% veg and 75% bloom.

 

[CookingBrownie]

FWIW…a friend in Maine grew three different strains in FF ocean forest, each 4 ft apart and each fed and watered the same amount and same time with FF nutes and each plant grown in same location last year with all good results. This year the middle plant grew runty and yellow from bottom to top after 2 months while the two others were each nice and green and full. She pulled up the yellow plant to find poor root development but was not experienced enough to evaluate further. I suspect an insect problem for that plant only. Without seeing your problem plant in person I suspect you have some insect issues. If your problem plant doesn’t look like it will develop decent quality buds by end of season, I’d pull it and check roots and soil to determine problem. To me there’s nothing worse than fretting over a plant that’s showing real signs of failure while other nearby plants are doing well, but it’s your call. Good luck.

No plant is almost 3 meters high and wide it is huge no poor roots for sure.But seeing a few bugs think it root aphids.I had 2 infestation those months spider mites and thrips but i handled everything And now there are no problems.

 

[Aqua Man]

After swelling 100% bloom

 

[CookingBrownie]

I haven't looked at all the ingredients but I'd be something like 25% veg and 75% bloom.

Sorry for being a little annoying but you look like you have wide knowledge of gro wing. I have a veg booster also
Veg 3 - 1 - 3
Bloom 2-2-4. Rec dose 5ml/L i give 2.5ml/L the whole grow
PK booster 0-9-10 Rec dose 1ml/L i give 0.5ml/L

What should be my dose of mls per 10 Liters of water? To keep it going. Now i give only Bloom and PK booster every 2rd watering