1st time grower. How am I doing? Any suggestions?

[Vegavin]

you could super crop it like @2Bad mentioned and thats by bending the branch until you hear cracking sound. It's one way of going about it.

I think what you should do is take one clone from the main stem. This will give you a chance to regrow.
With this plant once you cut it, it will give you two new branches. It will also allow side branches to grow and you get some break from the height.

You can also take two clones and make the main plant smaller and veg it properly. However, space, light, and other factors play here so I think you should take one clone and push this plant to flower.

The clone won't need much light, but it does need to have a 18+ hours of light. So, maybe leave it in the living room while this plant is in your bedroom or whereever the areas are.

Is this referred to as mainlining? Super cropping requires a flexible stem, yes? So your suggesting cutting top third off, ( creating a manifold) and bending the remaining branches down (LST)? Or is that the process if I take 2 clones? Then how do I root cutting to get a second plant? Also I trimmed bottom and have cutting about 5or6 inches long with three nodes. How do I root these also?

 

[TSD]

Get a timer. 24 hours of light is never a good idea in my opinion. They need down time.

 

[TSD]

Is this referred to as mainlining? Super cropping requires a flexible stem, yes? So your suggesting cutting top third off, ( creating a manifold) and bending the remaining branches down (LST)? Or is that the process if I take 2 clones? Then how do I root cutting to get a second plant? Also I trimmed bottom and have cutting about 5or6 inches long with three nodes. How do I root these also?

Are you set up to make clones? That's a whole different animal. I would just train it down or top it. If you are just learning a d this is your first plant, I don't know that I'd fuck with around with trying to learn to clone before you have the basics down... not that it's super difficult, but do you ha r a separate space and a light that won't fry them?

 

[Vegavin]

Get a timer. 24 hours of light is never a good idea in my opinion. They need down time.

picked up a timer tonight. Working on second grow area. Going to get another tent for clones.

 

[PK1]

if you are grabbing another tent then have it in a different area then where the tent is for flower. You do not want any light leaking through to the flower tent. also keep in mind that clones and veggative stage plants all be together. Only the once going into flower need it to be below 12/12 shift.

Is this referred to as mainlining? Super cropping requires a flexible stem, yes? So your suggesting cutting top third off, ( creating a manifold) and bending the remaining branches down (LST)? Or is that the process if I take 2 clones? Then how do I root cutting to get a second plant? Also I trimmed bottom and have cutting about 5or6 inches long with three nodes. How do I root these also?

drop a picture so i can see whats been done.

 

[PK1]

Correct. As I am just learning about the details of growing Cannabis, (which I never imagined was so extensive), I don't have any diagnostic tools. Any recommendations are welcome.

if you are planning on growing for good, then grab good equipments instead of cheap equipments. If this is just for fun one round then you can grab something cheaper. Its all based on what your thoughts are. I spent 100 dollars on the cheap amazon readers before i smacked my self in the head and spent 200 dollars on the bluelabs readers.

for soil the ph reader is not as important as the EC/PPM reader is. You need to know what level of nutrient you are feeding to the plant. The ph reader is good to know that the levels are in the right place for the plant to uptake the nutrients.

As you see on the above graph the soil range is between ph 6.3 to 6.8.
I like to feed it at 6.5 for soil. You do need to know that most soils do have lime in it which will reduce the ph of the water.

What you need to find out is what is the ph of the tap water or your resource water. Than what will the ph be when the nutrients are added.

 

[Vegavin]

if you are planning on growing for good, then grab good equipments instead of cheap equipments. If this is just for fun one round then you can grab something cheaper. Its all based on what your thoughts are. I spent 100 dollars on the cheap amazon readers before i smacked my self in the head and spent 200 dollars on the bluelabs readers.

for soil the ph reader is not as important as the EC/PPM reader is. You need to know what level of nutrient you are feeding to the plant. The ph reader is good to know that the levels are in the right place for the plant to uptake the nutrients.
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As you see on the above graph the soil range is between ph 6.3 to 6.8.
I like to feed it at 6.5 for soil. You do need to know that most soils do have lime in it which will reduce the ph of the water.

What you need to find out is what is the ph of the tap water or your resource water. Than what will the ph be when the nutrients are added.

I've been wanting to grow for a long time. Wasn't legal in my state until recently. So I am looking to grow long term. This particular plant came about by chance. Found 1 seed in a half. Figured I'd try sprouting it. Germinated in 3 days. Since I thought it was doing so well I would research how to get the most out of the plant. Should have done that while it was in germination. Didn't know about all these pruning technics or the science involved. All that being said, I would be interested in more quality tools for the job. As an Auto mechanic, I don't buy cheap tools or equipment. Budget is small for this hobby though. Haven't done anything with plant yet but will post photo's of what was done. Still unsure what route I want to choose.

 

[BDH420]

I haven't read most of this thread but miracle grow is going to give you some problems near flowering stage. It can be a little hot for cannabis. Next round look into something like Big Rootz or if your east coast Coast of Maine lobster compost but you need add some vermiculite and promix to it. Other then that it looks really good. If your grow doesnt come out the way you wanted it to. Don't give up. Its a huge learning process. My first 2 grows where horrible. lol. I also used miracle grow in my first grow. Near flowering stage I started getting burnt leaf tips. Then a bunch of other deficiencies like N. All my leave's turned yellow. The other thing I can recommend and is figuring out which method works best for your situation. DWC, soil, ect ect. Most of us start out soil but you might find DWC easier with better results. But it can be more expensive because of equipment. Once you get everything dialed in. Its becomes one of the most rewarding hobbies. Also patience is key! Good things come to those who wait. Never rush anything when it comes to cannabis. The biggest mistake is usually when to harvest. Again good luck on your first grow. Don't give up if it doesn't come out the way you want it to.

 

[PK1]

I've been wanting to grow for a long time. Wasn't legal in my state until recently. So I am looking to grow long term. This particular plant came about by chance. Found 1 seed in a half. Figured I'd try sprouting it. Germinated in 3 days. Since I thought it was doing so well I would research how to get the most out of the plant. Should have done that while it was in germination. Didn't know about all these pruning technics or the science involved. All that being said, I would be interested in more quality tools for the job. As an Auto mechanic, I don't buy cheap tools or equipment. Budget is small for this hobby though. Haven't done anything with plant yet but will post photo's of what was done. Still unsure what route I want to choose.

i think since you don't know the sex it would be good to take one clone and push it to flower. Since it's your 1st grow it would be good to go through the whole process and finish it in flower.
When the sex is revealed you can than make proper planning for the clone.

this is the package i bought from amazon and its even on a better discount now. https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00H90O26C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[PK1]

I haven't read most of this thread but miracle grow is going to give you some problems near flowering stage. It can be a little hot for cannabis. Next round look into something like Big Rootz or if your east coast Coast of Maine lobster compost but you need add some vermiculite and promix to it. Other then that it looks really good. If your grow doesnt come out the way you wanted it to. Don't give up. Its a huge learning process. My first 2 grows where horrible. lol. I also used miracle grow in my first grow. Near flowering stage I started getting burnt leaf tips. Then a bunch of other deficiencies like N. All my leave's turned yellow. The other thing I can recommend and is figuring out which method works best for your situation. DWC, soil, ect ect. Most of us start out soil but you might find DWC easier with better results. But it can be more expensive because of equipment. Once you get everything dialed in. Its becomes one of the most rewarding hobbies. Also patience is key! Good things come to those who wait. Never rush anything when it comes to cannabis. The biggest mistake is usually when to harvest. Again good luck on your first grow. Don't give up if it doesn't come out the way you want it to.

i gotta say, i didn't notice his potting mix until now that you mentioned. When i was growing in soil i used promix hp with MC nutrients.

 

[Vegavin]

i think since you don't know the sex it would be good to take one clone and push it to flower. Since it's your 1st grow it would be good to go through the whole process and finish it in flower.
When the sex is revealed you can than make proper planning for the clone.

this is the package i bought from amazon and its even on a better discount now. https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00H90O26C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I read that sex can be determined in veg by looking at the base of branches or shoot. If there is a ball shape node it is male and if it has what look like hairs coming out of that area it is female? Going by that if it is correct I have a female. I was considering your other option of taking 2 clones and start veg over with proper training. My tent is in a utility room in my garage. That is total darkness when no lights are on. I can set up another area to start the clones. I have a 24" 2 bulb t5 light, which I used to start this plant before getting the LED. Just to be clear, the miracle grow is potting soil, I'm not using that brands plant food concentrated powder. I was about to chop this but I'm not using the correct soil apparently. I will pick up that growers tool kit suggested. Is Pro Mix HP with MC available in retail stores? Thank You

 

[Vegavin]

Is this what you are referring too?

 

[PK1]

I read that sex can be determined in veg by looking at the base of branches or shoot. If there is a ball shape node it is male and if it has what look like hairs coming out of that area it is female? Going by that if it is correct I have a female. I was considering your other option of taking 2 clones and start veg over with proper training. My tent is in a utility room in my garage. That is total darkness when no lights are on. I can set up another area to start the clones. I have a 24" 2 bulb t5 light, which I used to start this plant before getting the LED. Just to be clear, the miracle grow is potting soil, I'm not using that brands plant food concentrated powder. I was about to chop this but I'm not using the correct soil apparently. I will pick up that growers tool kit suggested. Is Pro Mix HP with MC available in retail stores? Thank You

ya, the potting mix has miracle grow stuff in it that will cause headaches. The promix hp will help the clones to root quickly and since you are not in flower it will just focus on roots and after a few weeks you'll be rolling again. Just keep in mind that promix hp only has mycoryza in there and no nutrients. The reason i like this is because it has no nutrients, so less headaches and deficiencies. You can also take the main plant out of the pot, remove as much dirt as possible and then replant in promix hp. This can shock it a bit but after a week it will pick up again.

regarding the sex in veg, some growers can differentiate it, i can't and i just wait until the 1st week of flower which then you will see hairs or start of a ball sack.

 

[Vegavin]

ya, the potting mix has miracle grow stuff in it that will cause headaches. The promix hp will help the clones to root quickly and since you are not in flower it will just focus on roots and after a few weeks you'll be rolling again. Just keep in mind that promix hp only has mycoryza in there and no nutrients. The reason i like this is because it has no nutrients, so less headaches and deficiencies. You can also take the main plant out of the pot, remove as much dirt as possible and then replant in promix hp. This can shock it a bit but after a week it will pick up again.

regarding the sex in veg, some growers can differentiate it, i can't and i just wait until the 1st week of flower which then you will see hairs or start of a ball sack.

I found a garden supplier in my area that sells the Pro Mix. Picking up a bag tomorrow. Do you think if I do what you said about removing plant from miracle grow soil that I should put it in a 5 gallon bucket instead OF the huge pot that takes up all the space in my small tent. The thought was that if I do that, I can put clones in same tent until it is time to flower the original reformed plant. Or will that route give me plants that will mature around the same time since I'm going to cut the original down by 2 thirds?

 

[PK1]

I found a garden supplier in my area that sells the Pro Mix. Picking up a bag tomorrow. Do you think if I do what you said about removing plant from miracle grow soil that I should put it in a 5 gallon bucket instead OF the huge pot that takes up all the space in my small tent. The thought was that if I do that, I can put clones in same tent until it is time to flower the original reformed plant. Or will that route give me plants that will mature around the same time since I'm going to cut the original down by 2 thirds?

never plant all of them in a single pot. You can remove the big one and use the 5 gallons fiber pot if you wish. The fiber pots are better than the plastic because it allows air to pass throw or excessive watering to be drained while in plastic is restricted unless you make the holes and what not. So, if you wish to transplant into a fiber pot that would be okay.

The timing isn't going to work out because the main plant is already rooted and after taking the clones it will just keep growing VS the clones are going to take a while to root and start. However, for now they can all be in the same tent since the light setting for all of them is 18/6

remind me again what you are using for nutrients?

 

[Vegavin]

never plant all of them in a single pot. You can remove the big one and use the 5 gallons fiber pot if you wish. The fiber pots are better than the plastic because it allows air to pass throw or excessive watering to be drained while in plastic is restricted unless you make the holes and what not. So, if you wish to transplant into a fiber pot that would be okay.

The timing isn't going to work out because the main plant is already rooted and after taking the clones it will just keep growing VS the clones are going to take a while to root and start. However, for now they can all be in the same tent since the light setting for all of them is 18/6

remind me again what you are using for nutrients?

FloraGro 2-1-6 and FloraMicro 5-0-1. I wasn't clear I guess. Wasn't going to put them in one pot. Take out big pot giving me room for say 4 or 5 small pots. Should I be cut it down and transplanting it at the same time? I'm thinking that would super shock it. I'll be ready to address these issues tomorrow. My spider farmer sf1000 does not have a built in dimmer, any suggestions on plug in dimmer?

 

[PK1]

FloraGro 2-1-6 and FloraMicro 5-0-1. I wasn't clear I guess. Wasn't going to put them in one pot. Take out big pot giving me room for say 4 or 5 small pots. Should I be cut it down and transplanting it at the same time? I'm thinking that would super shock it. I'll be ready to address these issues tomorrow. My spider farmer sf1000 does not have a built in dimmer, any suggestions on plug in dimmer?

you don't have to spend to get a different light just cuz of the dimmer, just make sure that the height is proper and again the clones won't need any massive lights. You can even put it behind a window to get natural light. You have to remember that they have no roots so the plant can't uptake anything and use the light energy.

You can clone and transplant the main plant. Yes, it will get some shocks but once all of that is done it will be good to go VS 1st cloning which will shock and then transplanting which will shock again.
I do think that the dirt removal will shock it more then taking clones from it, but again it will all be done at once vs multiple times.

im not to familiar with the flora nutrients, but im sure our friend @Aquaman can assist you with that. He is like the guru

 

[PK1]

you mentioned that your tent is 2x2x5 and having too many plants in there won't be beneficial and it will get crowded very quickly.
for example my room is 4x6x10 and ive had 6 plants in there as well as now 1plant. at the moment i rather have 1 plant so i can put focus on it better vs having too many and have to up keep the maintenance. also this one plant has filled the entire room.

The reason we take more then one clone is to ensure one of them makes it and whichever has the best result would go into flower.

 

[Vegavin]

you don't have to spend to get a different light just cuz of the dimmer, just make sure that the height is proper and again the clones won't need any massive lights. You can even put it behind a window to get natural light. You have to remember that they have no roots so the plant can't uptake anything and use the light energy.

You can clone and transplant the main plant. Yes, it will get some shocks but once all of that is done it will be good to go VS 1st cloning which will shock and then transplanting which will shock again.
I do think that the dirt removal will shock it more then taking clones from it, but again it will all be done at once vs multiple times.

im not to familiar with the flora nutrients, but im sure our friend @Aquaman can assist you with that. He is like the guru

Cool, Thanks. I will post pics and let you know how it turns out once I get the correct grow media. I will have some questions which I will post pics to help understand what I'm trying to do.

 

[PK1]

one other thing, when you remove the dirt from the main mother, you are going to disturb allots of roots and there going to be long. I wouldn't mind cutting some of the root to make it short and then planting it into the new soil. This will make sure that there is no massive ball of roots in one hole and it will allow the roots to regrow and open up in the soil. However, I would like @Aqua Man to confirm this.