Which has better yields, more colas or beefing up fewer colas

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Your plant looks fantastic.

But I still wanna hear the definitive answer to the title question: All things being equal, do you get bigger yields from topping and training for many colas or from fewer bigger colas?
I don't know the answer... I'm trying this way... I'm about to send another lady to flower and I'm going to limit her to two colas. We're only allowed 4 plants at a time here so I'm trying to max out yield per plant as opposed to thinking in terms of sq feet with multi plants.
 
mysticepipedon

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Your plant looks fantastic.

But I still wanna hear the definitive answer to the title question: All things being equal, do you get bigger yields from topping and training for many colas or from fewer bigger colas?
I think this is the wrong question for most people. If we were only allowed one plant, this would be a great question. That isn't the problem, though.

The answer is having a canopy that covers the lighted area. If that takes 4 plants, it would be covered a lot sooner than one plant, which would have to be vegged longer to cover it. The plant in this thread is doing a great job of covering the lighted area, but wouldn't this have been flipped weeks sooner, if there were four plants in there?

Anyway, if someone does come up with an answer to the original question, do you think it would transfer to other strains?
 
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This plant is a LA Confidential in 13 gallons of Dr earth and fox farm ocean forest soil mixed. I use Dr earth as my base ferts and supplement with down to earth stuff... ie: guano, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, langbeinite. I just started adding coconut water and aloe juice. I also use barley, barley extract and unsulphured molasses. Also hormex rooting hormone (vita B1), ascorbic acid (vita C). I just started using Tribus as well. It's too early to tell if the coco water, aloe juice and tribus will make a difference. My leaf tips are burning a bit but the plant looks healthy otherwise. I'm concerned it might be too much light but I'm not sure. Maybe Im over feeding something in the NPK realm. Oh, I also use fulvic acid and cal-mag. Lastly, I use Dr Earth's metabolic transformer. It might seem like I know what I'm doing but I don't really. This is my 4th grow and I'm still fumbling through it. I attempted to fim early but messed it up or it didn't work the way I wanted it to at least. I wound up topping her 5 times to get 32 colas. Is that too many for 1 plant? Does the stalk need to be thicker? Should I have kept it at 16 colas? She's in early flower, should I damage bud sites so only 24 colas develope? Is it better to have more bud sites or better to have less sites and focus on beefing them up? Which provides better yields?
You got it going on, my brother-in-trichomes. I am so happy that you didn't buy a retarded and needless grow tent LOL. OK, now, dude, for ONE VERY IMPORTANT LESSON for you. Do not buy anymore fancy "stuff" for you plants. They do not need it; any one stuff (item) can be expensive and the overall collection even more expensive and unnecessary. The company's marketing literature can certainly entice you to buy this crap, if you have not a clue LOL. I also use Down To Earth Fertilizer for the Vegetable Garden. This fertilizer is for the microbes. If the microbes don't get fed enough, they will steal the plant's food LMAO. Please do not use anymore coconut water, aloe juice, or Triple Sec ROFL. Do not use molasses - bugs will eat this in no time. Down To Earth does the molasses job. Hormex is expensive and not necessary OMB. This product is to stimulate clone cuttings to make roots. All the other supplements are not needed as well. Fulvic acid and Hummus is food for microbes. You don't need to add fulvic acid supplement. Worm Castings are Fulvic Acid/Humus and worm castings are mixed in with Fox Farm media.

How many colas for one plant? No set limit on quantity LOL. The correct strategy is "how many colas can I have to absorb the light". You want to think about mass (gms). 10 colas at 10 gms or 20 colas at 5 gms = 100 gms. But if you have more colas, the more challenging it will be to light them all. Also, to have more colas, you have to let the smaller buds grow on the smaller stems. Lolli popping is removing the lower branches and also the small stems that will never develop big buds. Since you are only growing one plant, I would not recommend purchasing a $500 PAR meter.
 
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You got it going on, my brother-in-trichomes. I am so happy that you didn't buy a retarded and needless grow tent LOL. OK, now, dude, for ONE VERY IMPORTANT LESSON for you. Do not buy anymore fancy "stuff" for you plants. They do not need it; any one stuff (item) can be expensive and the overall collection even more expensive and unnecessary. The company's marketing literature can certainly entice you to buy this crap, if you have not a clue LOL. I also use Down To Earth Fertilizer for the Vegetable Garden. This fertilizer is for the microbes. If the microbes don't get fed enough, they will steal the plant's food LMAO. Please do not use anymore coconut water, aloe juice, or Triple Sec ROFL. Do not use molasses - bugs will eat this in no time. Down To Earth does the molasses job. Hormex is expensive and not necessary OMB. This product is to stimulate clone cuttings to make roots. All the other supplements are not needed as well. Fulvic acid and Hummus is food for microbes. You don't need to add fulvic acid supplement. Worm Castings are Fulvic Acid/Humus and worm castings are mixed in with Fox Farm media.

How many colas for one plant? No set limit on quantity LOL. The correct strategy is "how many colas can I have to absorb the light". You want to think about mass (gms). 10 colas at 10 gms or 20 colas at 5 gms = 100 gms. But if you have more colas, the more challenging it will be to light them all. Also, to have more colas, you have to let the smaller buds grow on the smaller stems. Lolli popping is removing the lower branches and also the small stems that will never develop big buds. Since you are only growing one plant, I would not recommend purchasing a $500 PAR meter.
Worm castings DO NOT provide fulvic or humic acids. How does having a branch full of popcorn buds make colas bigger?
 
Pushrod Monkey

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A quick google search says ewc is a great source of fulvic and humic acid.
Just searched and didn’t find that article. Perhaps you could post links.

Here’s a good one. Doesn’t mention humic or fulvic.
 
Pushrod Monkey

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Here’s another. Not one mention of either acid eh?

No mention of fulvic or humic acids. Not one. Use “Find On Page” to save yourself some reading.

 
growsince79

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Here’s another. Not one mention of either acid eh?

No mention of fulvic or humic acids. Not one. Use “Find On Page” to save yourself some reading.

here's one that does.
"Fulvic acid together with humic acid are the essence of high quality organic fertilizer such as worm castings or vermicomposts. The classical role of fulvic acid in improving plant growth is accomplished by releasing macronutrients in the soil so they are made available to the plants. For instance, in low pH below 2 if an aluminum molecule is binded with a phosphorus one, fulvic acid detaches them and makes the phosphorus available for the plant. "

 
Pushrod Monkey

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here's one that does.
"Fulvic acid together with humic acid are the essence of high quality organic fertilizer such as worm castings or vermicomposts. The classical role of fulvic acid in improving plant growth is accomplished by releasing macronutrients in the soil so they are made available to the plants. For instance, in low pH below 2 if an aluminum molecule is binded with a phosphorus one, fulvic acid detaches them and makes the phosphorus available for the plant. "

How about something a bit more scientific? There should be multiple sources because the worm breeder didn’t do a chemical analysis.
 
Pushrod Monkey

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I’m sure EWC contains both along with the unusable humun. However it’s likely not a significant source. These products come from humus. So I’m sure there’s intake on the part of the worms.
 
growsince79

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here's one that does.
"Fulvic acid together with humic acid are the essence of high quality organic fertilizer such as worm castings or vermicomposts. The classical role of fulvic acid in improving plant growth is accomplished by releasing macronutrients in the soil so they are made available to the plants. For instance, in low pH below 2 if an aluminum molecule is binded with a phosphorus one, fulvic acid detaches them and makes the phosphorus available for the plant. "

Here's a good read.
 
Pushrod Monkey

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Here's a good read.
The opening sentence in your article: “Humic substances are formed by the microbial degradation of dead plant matter, such as lignin. They are very resistant to further biodegradation.”

There’s nothing in that article even mentioning worms. Especially anything to do with supplying it via castings. So any fulvic or humic has simply been passed through the worm unchanged and that’s IF they’re even taking any in to excrete.
 
Pushrod Monkey

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So much easier to simply add to a feeding once a week. Not saying don’t use EWC but don’t count on it as a significant source of either acid.
 
growsince79

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So much easier to simply add to a feeding once a week. Not saying don’t use EWC but don’t count on it as a significant source of either acid.
The humic acid in Worm Castings stimulate plant growth, even in very low concentrations. The humic acid is in an ionically distributed state in which it can easily be absorbed by the plant, over and above any normal mineral nutrients. Humic acid also stimulates the development of micro flora populations in the soil.

 
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