LED Lights should I buy this or something else?

[steamroller]

Thinking of getting the Mars FC 8000.
2 of them could replace 4 of my TSL 2000 and have a marked improvement .
I like the HLG products but prefer the flexibility and coverage of bar style lights .

 

[Blastfact]

But you are a sales rep for HLG on Rollitup don't you think we need to know this?

They mentioned they work for HLG in a post earlier in the thread. And let me tell you,,, if I still wanted to work I would be begging for a job with HLG. I spent over 30 years in the wet side of HVAC, Process and Industry. Pumps, Boilers, Chillers, Controls as a manufacture rep for the likes of Bell & Gossett, Aurora, Goulds, Lochinvar, Raypak, Cleaver Brooks, Spence, Hoffman, McDonald & Miller and others. None of them have the factory support and service HLG strives to provide to all there customers. Be them consumer level hobby farmers like myself or big bad ass multinational high investment commercial grows. I'm rarely impressed. I'm now a 61 year old curmudgeon ate up with the don't give a damn anymore that's been growing weed since the 5th grade and have been busted for cultivation and so called distribution in redneck backwards Oklahoma years ago. I've pretty much seen it all. When I stumbled on to HLG 5 years ago or so I found a company that no others need to apply to replace. My pair of 100 V2's @ 4000k are my veg lights of choice and I ran a old 260 kit light for 4 or 5 years in my 3' x 3' tent. It's now been upgraded to Rspec and I bought another Rspec 260 kit and a UVA-30 for my late veg and flower a piece of aluminum plate and I have a killer light that will take me deep into my old age with HLG in my hip pocket. So yeah if I was still interested in working and not retirement I would be doing all I could to go to work for HLG.

I'm set and ready to blaze!!!!

 

[Kylle]

Mars hydro ts 3000 is 450w 4x4 and will cost you 378 dollars right now, Myself i went for 4 Groplaner 0 150w https://www.amazon.com/GROPLANNER-Lights-Indoor-Plants-Spectrum/dp/B08DKYZRWP they clip into each other according to the shape of your grow space
If you want a 5x5 watch this its pretty recent

I bought that exact mars, I swear it’s loosing linens already. The spider farmer is definitely out performing the mars.

 

[Zpotato]

If your going to spout statements like this, you'd best have FACTS to support them, not your opinions. Having owned QauntumBoards by HLG since the pre-production models came out, I have never found there to be an issues with "hotspots" . If your burning a plant then you have your lamp way too close period. I've grown a great many plants with HLG products, there are several reasons I've stuck with them: They have consistently produced the best results of any lights I have owned, my original QB 304 pre-production boards are still growing weed, i donated them to a family member who just completed his first grow with them. Next, I KNOW who's LEDs are actually being used, unlike many lights out there. HLG sphere tests it lamps and posts the lab reports for all to see. They post REAL par maps for most of their lamps.

No lets talk about the "LUXX" lamps. NO PPF rating, no efficiency rating, NO mention of who's white LEDs they are using, yeah, buy them.... Synce is a great light. It's real target though is greenhouses and spaces where they can be mounted high. The optics/no optics debate continues, but the supposed gains of optcs is negated by the losses of the optics themselves. If they were truly of value, HLG would be using them. HLG's people put a lot of thought in their design. Unlike the Chines knockoffs, they spent months designing and testing various layouts, various LEDs, drivers, etc. Chill LED... built a good light, and they were caught lying about it's performance.. they'd never get a nickel of my money.

So if your preference for whatever reason is bar style lights, that's fine, but don't be calling a top of the line product's performance trash. Unless your goal is to troll, if so, we can have a different discussion. Post a PAR map that YOU create, in your environment and post it, with pics. Or admit your just talking trash for whatever reason. And yes, I now work for HLG, but I was using their products for years before I took the position.

There is a thread on rollitup about it 21 pages long challenging those claims (apparently one can't link to that forum from here?) based on a video that got posted last weekend
it's called" GML Accusations.."

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[Maxwax]

At the Mars Hydro E 6500 price point, I was very impressed until I found Philzon FD 4500 450 w for $400.50 so I passed on the Mars Hydro for the savings. SS

What kind of Diodes? The "E" series uses Bridgelux diodes made in America which I kinda dig (likely assembled in Asia somewhere) over the more expensive Samsungs.

 

[Maxwax]

At the Mars Hydro E 6500 price point, I was very impressed until I found Philzon FD 4500 450 w for $400.50 so I passed on the Mars Hydro for the savings. SS

By the way when you bought that light you shoulda boxed 405 in the daily 3 lottery.....lol

 

[Maxwax]

They mentioned they work for HLG in a post earlier in the thread. And let me tell you,,, if I still wanted to work I would be begging for a job with HLG. I spent over 30 years in the wet side of HVAC, Process and Industry. Pumps, Boilers, Chillers, Controls as a manufacture rep for the likes of Bell & Gossett, Aurora, Goulds, Lochinvar, Raypak, Cleaver Brooks, Spence, Hoffman, McDonald & Miller and others. None of them have the factory support and service HLG strives to provide to all there customers. Be them consumer level hobby farmers like myself or big bad ass multinational high investment commercial grows. I'm rarely impressed. I'm now a 61 year old curmudgeon ate up with the don't give a damn anymore that's been growing weed since the 5th grade and have been busted for cultivation and so called distribution in redneck backwards Oklahoma years ago. I've pretty much seen it all. When I stumbled on to HLG 5 years ago or so I found a company that no others need to apply to replace. My pair of 100 V2's @ 4000k are my veg lights of choice and I ran a old 260 kit light for 4 or 5 years in my 3' x 3' tent. It's now been upgraded to Rspec and I bought another Rspec 260 kit and a UVA-30 for my late veg and flower a piece of aluminum plate and I have a killer light that will take me deep into my old age with HLG in my hip pocket. So yeah if I was still interested in working and not retirement I would be doing all I could to go to work for HLG.

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I'm set and ready to blaze!!!!

Dig the gnomes. Whats that press looking thing with the canister? Loading shells?

 

[Blastfact]

There is a thread on rollitup about it 21 pages long challenging those claims (apparently one can't link to that forum from here?) based on a video that got posted last weekend
it's called" GML Accusations.."

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GML is being a stoner drama queen. You don't do what he did while working for a company and you don't misrepresent product either at the manufacture level or rep level. And with a par meter and some very basic math and electrical readings I've found nothing to indicate HLG has misrepresented there products in eff. output or any other way. Others have dug into this and anybody that is seriously looking at top tier products should do there due diligence and learn about what they are buying, why and how to use it. I've seen these kind of things go down in the industry I worked in for over 30 years and in other industry's. I've seen so much of this crap, the real truth is untimely gone in no time. There is truth on both sides and misrep and info on both sides. All I needed to see was the opening salvo's and knew how the whole mess would play out.

 

[Blastfact]

Dig the gnomes. Whats that press looking thing with the canister? Loading shells?

I shoot and reload and do all my own smith work. That is a Hornady LNL-AP progressive loading press I load 9mm pistol and .223/5.56 for my AR-15 on it. Load 10mm and .45acp on a Dillon progressive press and have my little Lee bench I load .380 to .50 BMG on.

Where I'm setting right now. And the little bench behind me. Tent to the left.

 

[Edinburgh]

If running autoflowers I recommend viperspectra 600w 2 cycle led bc autos need blue light this is bc a full spec light has red and ir in it this will cause your autos to flower prematurely, possibly dwarf out ultimately affecting yield, if growing photoperiod plants go full spec with spider farmer, unless you want to blow over a grand I would recommend Black Dog.

 

[Maxwax]

I shoot and reload and do all my own smith work. That is a Hornady LNL-AP progressive loading press I load 9mm pistol and .223/5.56 for my AR-15 on it. Load 10mm and .45acp on a Dillon progressive press and have my little Lee bench I load .380 to .50 BMG on.

Where I'm setting right now. And the little bench behind me. Tent to the left.

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Porn Machine. Check. Ammo Machine. Check. Cannabis Machine. Check! lol

 

[SSgrower]

What kind of Diodes? The "E" series uses Bridgelux diodes made in America which I kinda dig (likely assembled in Asia somewhere) over the more expensive Samsungs.

LM281-B diodes 1728 pc's if I remember correctly, Cheers SS

 

[Zpotato]

What kind of Diodes? The "E" series uses Bridgelux diodes made in America which I kinda dig (likely assembled in Asia somewhere) over the more expensive Samsungs.

China Electronics Corporation owns Bridgelux​

LED Startup Bridgelux Acquired by China Electronics Corp.

Consolidation in the LED market is “long overdue,” says the Bridgelux CEO.

www.greentechmedia.com

 

[needshelpguy]

Gonna go for this I think appreciate the discussion guys

HLG Scorpion® Diablo

This is the most efficient full spectrum Horticulture lamp with an efficiency of 3.0 µmol/J and over 2100 PPF output. HLG Scorpion® Diablo™ commercial lamps are designed for growers that demand both high intensity and high efficiency to maximize crop yields.

horticulturelightinggroup.com

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

Gonna go for this I think appreciate the discussion guys

HLG Scorpion® Diablo

This is the most efficient full spectrum Horticulture lamp with an efficiency of 3.0 µmol/J and over 2100 PPF output. HLG Scorpion® Diablo™ commercial lamps are designed for growers that demand both high intensity and high efficiency to maximize crop yields.

horticulturelightinggroup.com

While the HLG Scorpion Diablo is a great light, Photontek makes one that puts out more light and cost less money.

XT 1000W CO2 Pro LED

IGS Indoor Grow Supply is Michigan's top supplier of indoor grow supplies, hydroponics & more. Our products are designed & manufactured to exceed your expectations.

www.mytrimmer.com

I've looked closely at the Photontek light and it's the route I would go if I were currently in the market for another grow light.

 

[jorkvilleyoe]

All lights are made in China, the difference is whether you get a good Chinese lights with good parts and build versus one without. Almost 95% of all LED lights out there are from China, even ones that are assembled in North America have all parts coming form overseas. As cannabis growers we have designed and are just bringing to market our own light. Ours is a 6 bar fixtures that can easily cover 5x5 area and pp to 16-18 plants effectively(bar lights can be customizable and better for coverage area). Its also very versatile in with 3 tunable spectrums, 0-100% dimmable on each channel and controller that runs automation and can house up to several programs. Ours id UL and DLC certified and tested. It was primarily designed for commercial operations mainly for the programable features that do a lot of the work for you but is a great tool for the advanced hobbyist or medical grower. I looked up your Kingbrite light, can't find any DLC information on it only found it on Alibaba. Not much to run on in terms of information but it looks like it could grow a decent plant or two. Do you have any diodes that have gone down, any drivers overheating?

not at all true and besides the price tag,i find little reason "American Made" California Light Works Solar System or SolarXtreme in either 550 or 1100 UVB are not part of the conversation.
Make a little heat,not a big deal.

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

not at all true and besides the price tag,i find little reason "American Made" California Light Works Solar System or SolarXtreme in either 550 or 1100 UVB are not part of the conversation.
Make a little heat,not a big deal.

I bought two of the California Lightworks UVB stand-alone units. My opinion? - You're better off keeping your money in your pocket. I've not been one bit impressed with the (lack of) quality with this fixture. I'm not sure having such a bad experience with one product transcends to all their others ... but it's reason for me to pause and reconsider future purchases from them.

To my knowledge, none of the LED chips used in the grow light industry, other than Cree, are made in the USA. Samsung is a S. Korean company with factories in China and other Asian countries. Osram is German. Epi LED are made in Taiwan. The lights are assembled state side from these foreign made, purchased components. Stating that California Lightworks products are made in the USA is a bit misleading.

I've got a bunch of Kingbrite quantum boards. I have a Spider Farmer SF 4000, and I have an ROI-E720 by Grower's Choice. Frankly speaking, none of these lights significantly out-perform the other. All these lights grow great flowers from my $100 Kingbrite boards to my $1000 ROI E720.

 

[Maxwax]

I bought two of the California Lightworks UVB stand-alone units. My opinion? - You're better off keeping your money in your pocket. I've not been one bit impressed with the (lack of) quality with this fixture. I'm not sure having such a bad experience with one product transcends to all their others ... but it's reason for me to pause and reconsider future purchases from them.

To my knowledge, none of the LED chips used in the grow light industry, other than Cree, are made in the USA. Samsung is a S. Korean company with factories in China and other Asian countries. Osram is German. Epi LED are made in Taiwan. The lights are assembled state side from these foreign made, purchased components. Stating that California Lightworks products are made in the USA is a bit misleading.

I've got a bunch of Kingbrite quantum boards. I have a Spider Farmer SF 4000, and I have an ROI-E720 by Grower's Choice. Frankly speaking, none of these lights significantly out-perform the other. All these lights grow great flowers from my $100 Kingbrite boards to my $1000 ROI E720.

Bridgelux used in the Mars FC "E" series are made in America but assembled in China. Go figure.

 

[Christos1974]

Excellent choice, BTW check out ebay some deals on there for brand new ones NIB. I'm upgrading to the Diablo myself next round...

Hlg scorpion diablo is the best light for the money, at just 660 watts it does what other led fixtures with 1000watts can do but cheaper, it's efficacy and spread are excellent.

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

I don't know of very many lights that cost more than the HLG Scorpion Diablo. It's a great light, no question ... but it's up-front cost stops a lot of people from purchasing it. Yes, it's cheaper to operate than some of the others. However, lighting is only ONE variable and will not in and of itself, make or break your grow. Your grow skills are the difference maker in my opinion.