Aqua’s Hydro systems meet SPIDERFARMER SE 7000

[RootsRuler]

My feedback is that these roots appear to be smaller than I would expect at this stage to support the growth up top. Visually, the roots are about 1/2 to 1/3 the up top vegetation. Normally what I see is that the roots outpace the veg early on, then the veg catches up once the root mass is established.

It would be easy to assume that the special treatment you are giving them means they do not need roots as large to support the same amount of growth up top. It also follows that the plant should grow faster because less time is spent growing roots. Very interesting.

Yes. My anecdotal experience says that because the roots aren't having to go look for food, like in soil, once it reaches a certain level of maturity in regards to what the stems and leaves need for continued growth it will concentrate on transpiration and slow down root development as long as the leaves are pulling nutrient and the VPD is allowing maximum transpiration.

As the leaves and stems grow and require more transpiration to survive, root growth will follow.

Something to think about. In soil, allowing dry back promotes more root development. I wonder if the same can be said for DWC. Keep roots in their buckets to keep them out of light but drop water level so that the roots are hanging in the air above the water. Curious what would happen. Obviously any signs of dehydration should be addressed but curious nonetheless....

 

[Anthem]

Yes. My anecdotal experience says that because the roots aren't having to go look for food, like in soil, once it reaches a certain level of maturity in regards to what the stems and leaves need for continued growth it will concentrate on transpiration and slow down root development as long as the leaves are pulling nutrient and the VPD is allowing maximum transpiration.

I have had this bite me in the ass. But in a different hydroponic system. Ebb and flow. I was watering 1 to 2 week old clones twice a day. The problem it created showed up in late Veg. The plant did not have the root mass to support the plant. It got fixed but it was not ideal. There was no where near the root mass Aqua Man has. It was much less.
If you never try you never learn. Go for it AM

 

[RootsRuler]

I have had this bite me in the ass. But in a different hydroponic system. Ebb and flow. I was watering 1 to 2 week old clones twice a day. The problem it created showed up in late Veg. The plant did not have the root mass to support the plant. It got fixed but it was not ideal. There was no where near the root mass Aqua Man has. It was much less.
If you never try you never learn. Go for it AM

What media were you growing in?

 

[RootsRuler]

I have had this bite me in the ass. But in a different hydroponic system. Ebb and flow. I was watering 1 to 2 week old clones twice a day. The problem it created showed up in late Veg. The plant did not have the root mass to support the plant. It got fixed but it was not ideal. There was no where near the root mass Aqua Man has. It was much less.
If you never try you never learn. Go for it AM

I wonder if you could take a net pot like Aquas got and stick it in soil to let the roots get really healthy and big then remove the soil ball, wash all the dirt off the roots and stick it in a DWC bucket.

Curious how that would play out.....

 

[Anthem]

What media were you growing in?

Hydroton

 

[Anthem]

I wonder if you could take a net pot like Aquas got and stick it in soil to let the roots get really healthy and big then remove the soil ball, wash all the dirt off the roots and stick it in a DWC bucket.

Curious how that would play out.....

Maybe @Aqua Man can confirm this but I have heard that is a no no. Like roots for hydro and roots is soil work and function different. I really did not read too far into it at the time. It struck me as odd

 

[Moe.Red]

Very soon.

I could (and have) thrown together a cheaper system, but this is what I want. Hopefully others agree.

It is based on Raspberry Pi 4 / Linux.

10" touch screen. Second HDMI output for a big screen if you have the space and an extra HDMI monitor or TV laying around.

Everything is al la carte so you just get what you need to start, expand at any time. Everything is interconnected with ethernet (not on your network, just local.) Any length cable you care to run between devices. Future software upgrades include multiple grow space monitoring and control. Up to 127 total devices will be the max.

Uses I2C for remote communication. Sensors, relays, etc are just plugged into the bus and the software sees it and adds the functionality. I'll show you in video later this week.

EDIT: I'll add some more tech specs here now that my belly is full and the Cards are swinging the bat. We're up 1 nothin and are crushing it in National Central. Any baseball growers out there?


So, what you got there is the main "box" - I dunno Prototype 1X47Ftq sounds good. The part with the screen. That device houses the Pi, the Capacitive Touch Screen, Touch Screen Driver, HDMI Driver, Power Suppl... ah who cares, you quit reading.

Prototype 1X47Ftq runs Linux. On a circuit board that is a complete PC in a single board. Friggin excellent.

Prototype 1X47Ftq has a main circuit board that has GPIO pins - not something a normal PC has. They let you interface directly with hardware like relays, PH sensors, Male plant detectors (j/k. Not that, but other cool stuff.)

There is a bus hub prototype displayed. It is nothing more than a place to plug in 6 things, really 5 things and a line back to mama. Mama being Prototype 1X47Ftq.

Haha, if you are still reading this you are stoned.

Those 5 things might be Temp, RH, CO2, O2, Humidity... did you notice I said RH 2 ways there? No? Stoner. You know who you are.

Future upgrades I'm looking at are things like a plug in spectrometer - I might just rent that out, maybe a PPFD meter? I have a camera hooked up now, that's interesting.

Another upgrade that I have working here for mine is a programmable iR blaster that you train it how to flash to control a device (I'm using it to control my mini split AC and my dehumidifier). Just more things that plug into the bus, wherever it's closest to pick it up. Just daisy chain off any device and plug it in.

I'm working on lighting control, but that's a lower priority because my lights have an app that is acceptable to drive them directly.

Another obvious plug in to the bus is AC control. I have 2 AC remotes I'm using (very Alpha stage, wires hanging kinda staus) that's what's next to complete. Then we will have control over any ac device that is based off a timer, a calculation, an internet lookup (moon cycles - fuck - I don't know you figure it out) or simply when sensor A does this you turn that thing on. It's just an inkbird via software at it's simplest.

The other box is the wet probe connection. Again, just another thing on the bus. This one is user configurable to add sensors at any time. Don't want Dissolved Oxygen today? Get it later. If you can twist a Phillips head, you can add any sensor you like. Well, within reason, not like spider mite fart detectors. Cumon man.

OK this is way too long already, but I gotta tell you about the OS / software.

Still up 1-0.

 

[Aqua Man]

I wonder if you could take a net pot like Aquas got and stick it in soil to let the roots get really healthy and big then remove the soil ball, wash all the dirt off the roots and stick it in a DWC bucket.

Curious how that would play out.....

Nope you cant.. roots in soil and hydro are different structures based on what they are growing in. They may adjust but definitely will shock the shit out if them and possibly death

 

[Aqua Man]

Very soon.

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I could (and have) thron together a cheaper system, but this is what I want. Hopefully others agree.

It is based on Raspberry Pi 4 / Linux.

10" touch screen. Second HDMI output for a big screen if you have the space and an extra HDMI monitor or TV laying around.

Everything is al la carte so you just get what you need to start, expand at any time. Everything is interconnected with ethernet (not on your network, just local.) Any length cable you care to run between devices. Future software upgrades include multiple grow space monitoring and control. Up to 127 total devices will be the max.

Uses I2C for remote communication. Sensors, relays, etc are just plugged into the bus and the software sees it and adds the functionality. I'll show you in video later this week.

Oh so sexy brother

 

[Observationist]

I wonder if you could take a net pot like Aquas got and stick it in soil to let the roots get really healthy and big then remove the soil ball, wash all the dirt off the roots and stick it in a DWC bucket.

Curious how that would play out.....

yea that does not work well

The roots morphology(?) slightly change/adapt to what medium it is in, and how it uptakes water.

 

[Moe.Red]

Oh so sexy brother

Found a bad circuit board that's why the leads are swapped. I've got another already in UPS now, then I can show it complete. Hopefully tomorrow.

 

[Mikedin]

Very soon.

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I could (and have) thron together a cheaper system, but this is what I want. Hopefully others agree.

It is based on Raspberry Pi 4 / Linux.

10" touch screen. Second HDMI output for a big screen if you have the space and an extra HDMI monitor or TV laying around.

Everything is al la carte so you just get what you need to start, expand at any time. Everything is interconnected with ethernet (not on your network, just local.) Any length cable you care to run between devices. Future software upgrades include multiple grow space monitoring and control. Up to 127 total devices will be the max.

Uses I2C for remote communication. Sensors, relays, etc are just plugged into the bus and the software sees it and adds the functionality. I'll show you in video later this week.

This is sounding more and more intense lol, looking great though you’re making awesome progress!

 

[Cashmeh]

@Aqua Man @SpiderFarmerLED so im trying to buy this light but you said it was 675. My total with SFTHC discount is at 699 :( 8%

 

[Aqua Man]

@Aqua Man @SpiderFarmerLED so im trying to buy this light but you said it was 675. My total with SFTHC discount is at 699 :( 8%

I don’t remember ever giving a price to anyone bit If i did it was probably on special at the time?

 

[Cashmeh]

I don’t remember ever giving a price to anyone bit If i did it was probably on special at the time?

All good. . 699 it is then

 

[Moe.Red]

OK, I edited my last post with a bunch more detail, but didn't get to the software.

Like I said, the Raspberry Pi is a fully fledged computer. It's also a web server. If you choose to put this device on your network (WiFi or LAN) you will have direct browser access to the display simply by typing it's IP address into whatever device you are on.

The system boots up, checks the bus, determines what devices are connected and starts controlling them. Simple. Right? hehehe I've been working on this over 3 years now.

We still have a lot of the OS to write. But now that I have the hardware finalized, that will come along.

Anyhow, when my replacement board shows up I'll snap all this together and show you video. I need to calibrate all these probes for @Aqua Man before I ship it, that seems like a good thing to video.

Still 1-0 in the 6th.

 

[Moe.Red]

@tobh you still out there? What you were expecting?

 

[Aqua Man]

Very soon.

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I could (and have) thrown together a cheaper system, but this is what I want. Hopefully others agree.

It is based on Raspberry Pi 4 / Linux.

10" touch screen. Second HDMI output for a big screen if you have the space and an extra HDMI monitor or TV laying around.

Everything is al la carte so you just get what you need to start, expand at any time. Everything is interconnected with ethernet (not on your network, just local.) Any length cable you care to run between devices. Future software upgrades include multiple grow space monitoring and control. Up to 127 total devices will be the max.

Uses I2C for remote communication. Sensors, relays, etc are just plugged into the bus and the software sees it and adds the functionality. I'll show you in video later this week.

EDIT: I'll add some more tech specs here now that my belly is full and the Cards are swinging the bat. We're up 1 nothin and are crushing it in National Central. Any baseball growers out there?


So, what you got there is the main "box" - I dunno Prototype 1X47Ftq sounds good. The part with the screen. That device houses the Pi, the Capacitive Touch Screen, Touch Screen Driver, HDMI Driver, Power Suppl... ah who cares, you quit reading.

Prototype 1X47Ftq runs Linux. On a circuit board that is a complete PC in a single board. Friggin excellent.

Prototype 1X47Ftq has a main circuit board that has GPIO pins - not something a normal PC has. They let you interface directly with hardware like relays, PH sensors, Male plant detectors (j/k. Not that, but other cool stuff.)

There is a bus hub prototype displayed. It is nothing more than a place to plug in 6 things, really 5 things and a line back to mama. Mama being Prototype 1X47Ftq.

Haha, if you are still reading this you are stoned.

Those 5 things might be Temp, RH, CO2, O2, Humidity... did you notice I said RH 2 ways there? No? Stoner. You know who you are.

Future upgrades I'm looking at are things like a plug in spectrometer - I might just rent that out, maybe a PPFD meter? I have a camera hooked up now, that's interesting.

Another upgrade that I have working here for mine is a programmable iR blaster that you train it how to flash to control a device (I'm using it to control my mini split AC and my dehumidifier). Just more things that plug into the bus, wherever it's closest to pick it up. Just daisy chain off any device and plug it in.

I'm working on lighting control, but that's a lower priority because my lights have an app that is acceptable to drive them directly.

Another obvious plug in to the bus is AC control. I have 2 AC remotes I'm using (very Alpha stage, wires hanging kinda staus) that's what's next to complete. Then we will have control over any ac device that is based off a timer, a calculation, an internet lookup (moon cycles - fuck - I don't know you figure it out) or simply when sensor A does this you turn that thing on. It's just an inkbird via software at it's simplest.

The other box is the wet probe connection. Again, just another thing on the bus. This one is user configurable to add sensors at any time. Don't want Dissolved Oxygen today? Get it later. If you can twist a Phillips head, you can add any sensor you like. Well, within reason, not like spider mite fart detectors. Cumon man.

OK this is way too long already, but I gotta tell you about the OS / software.

Still up 1-0.

Just FUCKING amazing is all i have to say… if you haven’t read it all fome back sober and do so. This is going to be an amazing device and you seen it here first.

you know whats harder than not knowing @Moe.Red … knowing and not saying anything lol. Oh how its sucks

 

[Moe.Red]

Just FUCKING amazing is all i have to say… if you haven’t read it all fome back sober and do so. This is going to be an amazing device and you seen it here first.

you know whats harder than not knowing @Moe.Red … knowing and not saying anything lol. Oh how its sucks

I do feel like a punk about all the secrecy, but honestly how many times did I change something? Sometimes something drastic. It's just better to show it when it is done or you end up selling vapor ware.

There is still a ton that needs to be done, but almost all of it is software. Expanding on the capabilities of what is there. For example, a calendar function that allows you to schedule things like res changes, flip to flower, etc. Then you get reminders about maint due. When you adjust PH, the calendar tracks it, and confirms it by the spike in the PH curve. Then all this data is stored internally. Why not have a button that says "post to the farm" or something like that which gathers up all your grow data, your calendar, whatever and puts it in a format conducive to posting here. Done properly, imagine helping someone troubleshoot a problem, and you actually have all the data and history right up front?

This is just one area I intend to expand the system.

Another is nutrient dosing. And PH dosing is done, but I have to integrate it in to the software.

The examples go on, but the product will just continue to add functionality via direct download for years to come.

This is on the back burner, but I am researching how to make a plant sap nutrient probe(s) as well. This will help me immensely in setting the standards to assist new growers. Something like this

 

[Justlovetogrow]

Just FUCKING amazing is all i have to say… if you haven’t read it all fome back sober and do so. This is going to be an amazing device and you seen it here first.

you know whats harder than not knowing @Moe.Red … knowing and not saying anything lol. Oh how its sucks

Nope it’s harder not knowing and being teased with tiny bits of info fed to you in crumbs