Fogponics. As good or better than Hydro?

[Moe.Red]

Yeah im PUMPED… see how i spelt that this time… lol. Thisbis going to be far more exciting that the usual hydro grows.

Man, I honestly thought you were going for STOKED!! Ahahaha. I see pumped now in pukoed if I squint a little.

For those not inside the joke, Aqua can't type worth shit. I put a recent Aquaism under my avatar.

 

[Moe.Red]

So I'm at an impasse. I have a res temp of 90.1*F. That is because of the ultrasonic fogger. They put out a fair amount of wasted heat. The thing is, the plants look great and a couple are already showing roots out the bottom.

Trying to come up with a clever design to run the chiller in the res, not because the plants say they need it but because I'm worried that if I cannot control this better, I am asking for trouble down the road.

anybody ever try a wort chiller in a res?

 

[beluga]

Do you measure the res water or the res air/fog temp? Or both?
I'd be curious how much, if at all, the temp varies from liquid to vapor.

 

[Moe.Red]

Do you measure the res water or the res air/fog temp? Or both?
I'd be curious how much, if at all, the temp varies from liquid to vapor.

As soon as I get this mess sorted, I'll be measuring everything. I've been waiting on a single circuit board for weeks now.

I’m trying a hacky approach to get around that right now.

 

[PipeCarver]

Please don't pick up my bad habits.

I'm contemplating giving up weed until these seeds are harvested. A little incentive to get it right.

The laughing face emoji's aren't working, just confirm like.....but good one, I almost spit out my joint....I contemplate what it would be like going for a polar dip New Years day,,,,,,I don't do it but I do contemplate about it every year....."smiley face" " smiley face" fkin emoji's

 

[Moe.Red]

The laughing face emoji's aren't working, just confirm like.....but good one, I almost spit out my joint....I contemplate what it would be like going for a polar dip New Years day,,,,,,I don't do it but I do contemplate about it every year....."smiley face" " smiley face" fkin emoji's

A world without a stoned pipecarver is not a one I want to live in. You crack me up.

 

[PipeCarver]

So I'm at an impasse. I have a res temp of 90.1*F. That is because of the ultrasonic fogger. They put out a fair amount of wasted heat. The thing is, the plants look great and a couple are already showing roots out the bottom.

Trying to come up with a clever design to run the chiller in the res, not because the plants say they need it but because I'm worried that if I cannot control this better, I am asking for trouble down the road.

anybody ever try a wort chiller in a res?


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That is similar to what I did for my clone bubblers air line, The pump got so hot it heated the air into the bubbler, I ran 20 - 25ft of tubing through a bucket of cold water. It worked and kept the water around 68 - 70f but I had to either switch out the water or add ice cubes to cool it down at the end of the day because the water temp was in the mid 70's by then....I need a bigger pot or more air line coiled in the bucket next time around.

 

[Moe.Red]

That is similar to what I did for my clone bubblers air line, The pump got so hot it heated the air into the bubbler, I ran 20 - 25ft of tubing through a bucket of cold water. It worked and kept the water around 68 - 70f but I had to either switch out the water or add ice cubes to cool it down at the end of the day because the water temp was in the mid 70's by then....I need a bigger pot or more air line coiled in the bucket next time around.

I just ordered flexible a copper coil. I can plumb that right up to my chiller and get control over this instantaneously. I'm gonna have this issue X 4 when these move to flower, so I gotta hack something together over there too.

For you I'll bet you could do something clever with outside temps pretty soon. Could you put the bucket in the garage or something? Save on ice and labor?

 

[Moe.Red]

Hey @PipeCarver , while I got you, I'm thinking about taking a stab at this cocobolo on my milling machine. I'll 3D print out a prototype, then use that model to cut it on the CNC mill at my warehouse. Got any tips for me on shape or anything like that? Do you seal yours or just linseed or something like that?

 

[Bluebuddha]

Take a look at the setups for peltier cooled video cards with copper plumbing and an external radiator. I would think you could come up with basic temp delta differentials based on cubic ft / watt / radiator delta.

Or, build a closed loop system with a chiller and copper coils on the bottom. That might be more efficient then thermoelectric.

 

[Moe.Red]

Take a look at the setups for peltier cooled video cards with copper plumbing and an external radiator. I would think you could come up with basic temp delta differentials based on cubic ft / watt / radiator delta.

Or, build a closed loop system with a chiller and copper coils on the bottom. That might be more efficient then thermoelectric.

Yup, I'm doing the second as a hack. I need to figure out how to do this without a chiller tho eventually.

 

[PipeCarver]

Hey @PipeCarver , while I got you, I'm thinking about taking a stab at this cocobolo on my milling machine. I'll 3D print out a prototype, then use that model to cut it on the CNC mill at my warehouse. Got any tips for me on shape or anything like that? Do you seal yours or just linseed or something like that?

I've just used virgin olive oil or bees wax. I start with a block, 2'x2' x7" I center a hole saw and mark 1/4 deep the bowls outside rim. I then drill the bowl out to the depth I want...once I have that I center the other end to the middle of the bowl and drill a small pilot hole 2-3" deep I can then use my 3/16" bit for the hole. I use the small as a pilot bit to prevent the long bit from wandering away from center. In the hard woods & metal the drill bit for the hole can wander out the side, top or bottom.

Now that I have a block with the bowl and hole I mark out the shape with pencil and use a band saw to rough cut it. Then over to my belt sander to rough shape it and remove as much waste wood as I can. after I have it roughed out with using 80grit sand paper on my belt grinder I switch to my electric carver ( like a dremel with a larger motor and a 3ft cable shaft) that I just use as a sander with a high speed orbital 3/8" soft sided sanding drums with grits down to 400. Then wet in water let dry and sand again with 220 & 400. Oil or wax and yer dun....Not the linseed oil its good but not to smoke.

When you to smoke out of the new wood bowl its recommended to add a small bit of honey to your finger and aply the honey to the inside of the bowl. Wipe out the excess then smoke a small bit lightly to cure the bowl. Smoke lightly the first few times until the bowl hardens and yer good to go.

 

[Madmax]

I dunno what im even talking about but can the fogger b made out of alloy to dissipiate the heat?

 

[Aqua Man]

Mount the foggers externally on a heat sink for a base?

would require a design change by cutting holes in the bottom to have the disc portion only inside.

Maybe i say to much?

 

[Madmax]

A finned heat sink

 

[beluga]

Mount the foggers externally

This is kind of what I'm dreaming of for my own setup. Have the foggers in a dedicated reservoir and push it into individual plant sites similar to multisite DWC or NFT.

I'd think you could get a lot of cooling just from that bit of travel through the lower ambient temps of the pipework.

 

[Aqua Man]

This is kind of what I'm dreaming of for my own setup. Have the foggers in a dedicated reservoir and push it into individual plant sites similar to multisite DWC or NFT.

I'd think you could get a lot of cooling just from that bit of travel through the lower ambient temps of the pipework.

Think @Moe.Red and I talked about that before. Definitely some workarounds available for this.

its either.

1. remove the heat source from the water if possible.

2. Adress the heat after its transferred to the water.

imo number 1. Is the most economical if it can be done

 

[Saul.Goodman]

I've heard of this method but have never seen a grow log about it. I'll be watching this for sure .

 

[Jay13.aka.DutchStuff]

The theory is that you have an atomized mist of water, nutrients, beneficial bacteria, enzymes, and beneficial fungi

No, not in my definition. To me, organics means naturally derived nutrients that require other organisms to break down further so the plant can use them.

Beneficial fungi and bacteria are organic additives that can cause problems in aeroponic systems.

If I see it correctly, your system is a closed/recycling system which has some disadvantages compared to RtW/DtW systems. I don't think this can beat coco-hydro.

 

[Aqua Man]

Beneficial fungi and bacteria are organic additives that can cause problems in aeroponic systems.

If I see it correctly, your system is a closed/recycling system which has some disadvantages compared to RtW/DtW systems. I don't think this can beat coco-hydro.

Organic and organisms are not the same… how can beneficial organisms cause problems? Its done in hydro as well which you dont want organics in either.

what disadvantages? You neglected to look at the advantages that fogponics provides over the others you mentioned.

There will definitely be challenges but in the end it should provide similar growth to aeroponic which is faster than both the systems you name.