HLG Blackbird vs. 7EastGenetics Purple Dragons Balls, The Kraken, and Alien BX1

[Zombierider]

Good to hear the male to female ratio tends to lean to the female, i will probably give them a shot next run cuz the Sour OG looks soo fire lol. What week did you spot the male parts?
And your gonna cross the Black domina eh? Must be some pretty good stuff, what kinda terps/effects do you get off it?

 

[Zombierider]

Good to hear the male to female ratio tends to lean to the female, i will probably give them a shot next run cuz the Sour OG looks soo fire lol. What week did you spot the male parts?
And your gonna cross the Black domina eh? Must be some pretty good stuff, what kinda terps/effects do you get off it?

just realized you haven't harvested so I guess you can only guess theeffects at this stage

 

[PerfecTrader]

Looking good ma, why do you think youll get a small harvest? I mean no scrog is gonna be less yield, but you should still get a decent amount>

yo brotha Z hope you are good my man. Ehh just feel like I did everything wrong, again, and am super down on myself. Not sure if it was/is the RO water strippin my soil and makin ph low or what but plants just haven't been healthy yet. On top of that I felt like it would be ok transplanting 7-10 days into flower once I spotted the males, so that I could up-pot the females and get more out of them, but in hindsight naw it isn't worth the stunting from the stress. Pretty sure I've got soil that dropped low in PH so am trying to combat. Gave them some Recharge yesterday and am brewing Xtreme Tea to give them tomorrow. Also topped dress a bit of garden lime but who knows I've read it takes a long time to raise PH at all. As for small harvest, right when I could use some stretch and crazy growth, the plants are doing shit cause I froze them in time hah. I thought bamboo staking my be good but seems worthless. I intentionally was trying to have less branches so bud sites might be larger and less popcorny but ehh not lookin too good so far. Every day I contemplate literally starting over. Not supposed to be this hard. It is the soil or the water I put in it. Has to be and I'm just burnt from bein so frustrated about it

 

[PerfecTrader]

Ordered some Ocean Forest. I'm out of all the shit I was using. I am not sure I want to run the 1st Dark Phoenix bean I sprouted. One of the gimps appears to be growing much better. I was thinking of transplanting the gimp into FFOF and using for the scrog challenge instead of the one I intended. Just don't like how it is growing and know it will have issues due to the soil it is in.

 

[Zombierider]

yo brotha Z hope you are good my man. Ehh just feel like I did everything wrong, again, and am super down on myself. Not sure if it was/is the RO water strippin my soil and makin ph low or what but plants just haven't been healthy yet. On top of that I felt like it would be ok transplanting 7-10 days into flower once I spotted the males, so that I could up-pot the females and get more out of them, but in hindsight naw it isn't worth the stunting from the stress. Pretty sure I've got soil that dropped low in PH so am trying to combat. Gave them some Recharge yesterday and am brewing Xtreme Tea to give them tomorrow. Also topped dress a bit of garden lime but who knows I've read it takes a long time to raise PH at all. As for small harvest, right when I could use some stretch and crazy growth, the plants are doing shit cause I froze them in time hah. I thought bamboo staking my be good but seems worthless. I intentionally was trying to have less branches so bud sites might be larger and less popcorny but ehh not lookin too good so far. Every day I contemplate literally starting over. Not supposed to be this hard. It is the soil or the water I put in it. Has to be and I'm just burnt from bein so frustrated about it

Interesting that your having issues with ph, i went from using lots of PH up, then some ph down, now I basically only use the ph stuff to adjust my reservoir after a few days. Just today i noticed my big apple cookies had a leaf that was not lookin good and i was like "lemme just check ph" cuz i normally havent been, and it was fricken 6.8. Cuz ive been using armor si, it raises the ph, so now i know i gotta adjust it. Still fricken learning man, so dont get down on yourself, the more positive vibes the better they grow imo. If i were you, id get a soil ph pen and stop guessing. And yeah dolomite lime is good for adjusting ph, but bro i would just get a bottle of GH ph up/down and adjust your water to the proper ph and water the fuck out of em and flush with the proper ph water. Then just test your soil everyday with the pen and in a few days it will get to the right PH. Soil takes alot of patience....which is why i dont grow in soil lol. In hydro stuff like ph and deficiencies are fixed hours after applying the medicine. This is a good pen right here and I think crucial for any soil grower:
https://www.hannainst.com/groline-s...Nakp6sSFOsTTeqwQ8qza4MnbqeFqaXIwaAvpBEALw_wcB

 

[Zombierider]

This is also a good pen: https://bluelab.com/new_zealand/bluelab-soil-ph-pen

 

[PerfecTrader]

Interesting that your having issues with ph, i went from using lots of PH up, then some ph down, now I basically only use the ph stuff to adjust my reservoir after a few days. Just today i noticed my big apple cookies had a leaf that was not lookin good and i was like "lemme just check ph" cuz i normally havent been, and it was fricken 6.8. Cuz ive been using armor si, it raises the ph, so now i know i gotta adjust it. Still fricken learning man, so dont get down on yourself, the more positive vibes the better they grow imo. If i were you, id get a soil ph pen and stop guessing. And yeah dolomite lime is good for adjusting ph, but bro i would just get a bottle of GH ph up/down and adjust your water to the proper ph and water the fuck out of em and flush with the proper ph water. Then just test your soil everyday with the pen and in a few days it will get to the right PH. Soil takes alot of patience....which is why i dont grow in soil lol. In hydro stuff like ph and deficiencies are fixed hours after applying the medicine. This is a good pen right here and I think crucial for any soil grower:
https://www.hannainst.com/groline-s...Nakp6sSFOsTTeqwQ8qza4MnbqeFqaXIwaAvpBEALw_wcB

Appreciate it man but I am just "metered out" for a bit. I am spent and burnt out from the one way street. The more money I am throwing at the grow the worse it gets. Need to take a step back a bit

 

[PerfecTrader]

hah just took me 13 seconds to google this


"RO water is not automatically beneficial. When using RO water it needs to 'buffered' with calmag or PH up/down, or tap water, or else it will literally strip the nutrients from your medium and play havoc with your PH.
Tap water contains certain essential minerals that our plants need, mainly calcium and magnesium but also other trace elements like silicon and iron. If you're growing outside in the ground it doesn't matter because those minerals are naturally abundant in the ground, but in a 3 gal pot of soil they will be used up and run out.
Yes, RO water is better than super hard tap water, but even then it's generally recommended that RO water is mixed with at least 20-30% tap water in order to 'buffer' it.
I would NEVER use straight, unbuffered RO water on my plants."

 

[Neueregel]

Appreciate it man but I am just "metered out" for a bit. I am spent and burnt out from the one way street. The more money I am throwing at the grow the worse it gets. Need to take a step back a bit

Patience grasshopper lol

 

[Neueregel]

Didn't know that either interesting

 

[PerfecTrader]

I think this is what happened.

"Ec shock is still a thing in living soil. Living soil still has nutrients in the root zone and the point is, using pure ro water literally strips the root zone of all nutrients because the water is so “pure” every and all nutrients it touches will immediately be pulled off the root and made unavailable to the plant.This will stunt the plant until the ec returns to normal

Plants cannot take the shock of getting 0 ec water when they need .4-.6 in veg and .9-1.2 in flower
The whole point of ro is you remove the calcium magnesium manganese iron copper etc in the tap.
You then need to add it back or you’ll get ec shock.
Which obviously begs the question: why use ro water at all if you need to add the nutrients back after you just took them out.... using a bit less nutrients and tap water would be the exact same thing.
You’d be getting way better results using tap water honestly because at least the ec would be a bit higher."

 

[PerfecTrader]

Interesting that your having issues with ph, i went from using lots of PH up, then some ph down, now I basically only use the ph stuff to adjust my reservoir after a few days. Just today i noticed my big apple cookies had a leaf that was not lookin good and i was like "lemme just check ph" cuz i normally havent been, and it was fricken 6.8. Cuz ive been using armor si, it raises the ph, so now i know i gotta adjust it. Still fricken learning man, so dont get down on yourself, the more positive vibes the better they grow imo. If i were you, id get a soil ph pen and stop guessing. And yeah dolomite lime is good for adjusting ph, but bro i would just get a bottle of GH ph up/down and adjust your water to the proper ph and water the fuck out of em and flush with the proper ph water. Then just test your soil everyday with the pen and in a few days it will get to the right PH. Soil takes alot of patience....which is why i dont grow in soil lol. In hydro stuff like ph and deficiencies are fixed hours after applying the medicine. This is a good pen right here and I think crucial for any soil grower:
https://www.hannainst.com/groline-s...Nakp6sSFOsTTeqwQ8qza4MnbqeFqaXIwaAvpBEALw_wcB

hey man I'm pretty sure I don't like the attitude I may have appeared to have had with ya and I apologize. If I came off a bit persnickety I didn't mean it. I think all I've spent and all the shit I have been doing wrong piled up and got to me for a min. Those pens are dope af and I appreciate you takin the time to point them out. The soil tester I bought was a junk 3 in 1 vivsun ph, moisture, and ec meter or some shit but I had only bought it for the moisture part. The more I am reading this reddit thread the more I am thinking this and my last grow were completely EC related to RO stripping my soil. Makes perfect sense and some times I did add a bit of Tap water but I was not taking the RO part or the PH part seriously. I honestly was pullin the rookie move of them all and hopin that the soil would help me out and buffer things a wee bit. CG was very clear not to be a jackass and think I could not PH but that is what I did for 2 grows now and I'm done with it. Makin better moves now and things should be better. Have the right tubing comin this week so can set up the blumats. Not sure how I am going to combat my water just yet but the more I am reading the more I am thinkin I would be better off using tap water that I let sit out for 24hr+

 

[PerfecTrader]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

"Copy paste from rqs Straight up reverse osmosis water will deplete your plants of calcium and magnesium so fast your head will spin. People that drink pure RO water are similarly at risk of osteo-type deficiencies and poor teeth because reverse osmosis water can pull calcium from the body. Your nutrient product should be selected with the use of reverse osmosis water in mind. Remember you are now entirely responsible for the mineral content of your water. Organic soil growers will still need to modify their water. Soil is an excellent buffer against ph fluctuations and microbial attacks, but it will not save you from calcium deficiency. At all times, from spray bottle to the final flush stages, the reverse osmosis water will always need to be adjusted"

 

[Neueregel]

why not just add dolomite lime to your soil and use epsom salt and gypsum for cal mag and then just use regular tap water not ph'd ?

 

[PerfecTrader]

why not just add dolomite lime and use epsom salt and gypsum for cal mag and then just use regular tap water not ph'd ?

Yeah I actually just did yesterday. Top dressed with garden lime and weeks ago had foliar fed with epsom. Have also added cal-mag to the RO more than I haven't but I have a feeling the soil has been too far stripped. I had an EC issue my 1st grow that was quite similar now that I think about it. SOB the whole fkin time, the damn RO that I bought to solve my shit tap water has actually been the problem all along. It has to be. It would make complete sense.

 

[Neueregel]

Yeah I actually just did yesterday. Top dressed with garden lime and weeks ago had foliar fed with epsom. Have also added cal-mag to the RO more than I haven't but I have a feeling the soil has been too far stripped. I had an EC issue my 1st grow that was quite similar now that I think about it. SOB the whole fkin time, the damn RO that I bought to solve my shit tap water has actually been the problem all along. It has to be. It would make complete sense.

yeah sounds like it

 

[PerfecTrader]

from reddit a year ago

"
Your tap naturally has calcium manganese magnesium copper iron etc etc all nutrients your plant needs!

Like already stated, if you use pure ro water without adding nutrients back in, you will cause “ec shock” because your ro water has 0 ec and plants need .4-.6 in veg and .9-1.2 in flower. That zero ec ro water hits the root zone and IMMEDIATELY dissolves and strips the roots of all nutrients and causes ec shock.

When using pure ro water the root zone ec immediately plummets and the plant loses the ability to uptake nutrients until the ec corrects itself.

Stunting the plant....

So yeah, “buffering” in this case refers to adding the nutrients back in you just removed. Obviously phing your water is important, but that’s a moot point because you should ALWAYS ph your water regardless.

Anyways, I think you missed the central thesis of his comment.

So ro water you are removing calcium magnesium manganese copper iron etc. then you mix your feed and immediately add them back???? What is the point in that?

How is ro water beneficial at all if everytime you use it you are removing and adding back in the same exact nutrients

So the whole point of his post was ro water is useless because you immediately have to add back in the nutrients the ro took out.

Which obviously begs the question: why use ro water at all if you are removing nutrients and having to immediately add them back? Why not skip that step entirely and just use tap water....

You could just use slightly less nutrients and use tap water not buffered or buffered a bit less and the result would be EXACTLY the same. Hence ro water being a complete waste of time. As stated above."

 

[Neueregel]

from reddit a year ago

"
Your tap naturally has calcium manganese magnesium copper iron etc etc all nutrients your plant needs!

Like already stated, if you use pure ro water without adding nutrients back in, you will cause “ec shock” because your ro water has 0 ec and plants need .4-.6 in veg and .9-1.2 in flower. That zero ec ro water hits the root zone and IMMEDIATELY dissolves and strips the roots of all nutrients and causes ec shock.

When using pure ro water the root zone ec immediately plummets and the plant loses the ability to uptake nutrients until the ec corrects itself.

Stunting the plant....

So yeah, “buffering” in this case refers to adding the nutrients back in you just removed. Obviously phing your water is important, but that’s a moot point because you should ALWAYS ph your water regardless.

Anyways, I think you missed the central thesis of his comment.

So ro water you are removing calcium magnesium manganese copper iron etc. then you mix your feed and immediately add them back???? What is the point in that?

How is ro water beneficial at all if everytime you use it you are removing and adding back in the same exact nutrients

So the whole point of his post was ro water is useless because you immediately have to add back in the nutrients the ro took out.

Which obviously begs the question: why use ro water at all if you are removing nutrients and having to immediately add them back? Why not skip that step entirely and just use tap water....

You could just use slightly less nutrients and use tap water not buffered or buffered a bit less and the result would be EXACTLY the same. Hence ro water being a complete waste of time. As stated above."

yeah that tea brew says to use RO water too to get rid of chlorine and chloramines

 

[ninjadip]

Interesting that your having issues with ph, i went from using lots of PH up, then some ph down, now I basically only use the ph stuff to adjust my reservoir after a few days. Just today i noticed my big apple cookies had a leaf that was not lookin good and i was like "lemme just check ph" cuz i normally havent been, and it was fricken 6.8. Cuz ive been using armor si, it raises the ph, so now i know i gotta adjust it. Still fricken learning man, so dont get down on yourself, the more positive vibes the better they grow imo. If i were you, id get a soil ph pen and stop guessing. And yeah dolomite lime is good for adjusting ph, but bro i would just get a bottle of GH ph up/down and adjust your water to the proper ph and water the fuck out of em and flush with the proper ph water. Then just test your soil everyday with the pen and in a few days it will get to the right PH. Soil takes alot of patience....which is why i dont grow in soil lol. In hydro stuff like ph and deficiencies are fixed hours after applying the medicine. This is a good pen right here and I think crucial for any soil grower:
https://www.hannainst.com/groline-s...Nakp6sSFOsTTeqwQ8qza4MnbqeFqaXIwaAvpBEALw_wcB

That's the same thing I was explaining to my soil friend. But lately I don't even check the ph until one day after res change. For most of this grow it has been very predictable and stable. Been lucky. And trying to do the less is better thing.

 

[Nesta028]

Sorry to just be catching up on the threads man. Stay positive and bring it back to basics. I think you’re on the right track going back ti tap water. Hang in there!