Road Kill Skunk - Ester Alcohols, Train-wreck and the Catpiss Connection

[Harpua88]

I think the splitting of hairs your referring to could most likely be explained by phenotypical selection by the grower. That plays a massive role in how a line turns out. However, if you run enough seeds from the same filial parents, you'll see all sorts of outliers from stuff that could have been dominate thousands of years ago. I think now we are making so many strains on a national level, we could pheno hunt probably until the end of Earth as we know, and we still haven't hunting through everything fully... It will be interesting once federal legalization takes hold to see what kind of cool shit people been hoarding in their collection over all these years

Yeah the way "old" genes can pop up after a while just like new traits can reveal themselves......it's one of the things that makes it all so fun. There's literally an unlimited number of possibilities.

 

[Harpua88]

I think every seed that came from good bud should be grown. I can’t believe how identical my Sour Power is from the bud it came from…but I swear it’s even better. I have a couple real Blue Magoo seeds that came from the buds I smoked. Only 2 or 3, but if I get anything similar to it I’ll be stoked. Not to mention Afgoo and Blueberry alone…anything from those genetics is probably amazing.

First time growing bag seed but if this trend continues I won’t ever buy seeds again…just have assortments of different phenos every grow lol.

I'm convinced that most larger than home producers harvest resin before selling their product. Besides the fact that once someone is growing pounds for sale, they're probably not going to spend the time and attention on the details, wait that extra 5, 7+ days to harvest that give it that perfect ripeness, or have the space, time, and manpower needed to hang the branches upside down, handle them with care, trim meticulously, jar them all up, cure for a month+.......

 

[Harpua88]

The original Skunk from back in the day is rumored to have some Mexican in the line. Most people talk shit on Mexican weed and that's usually because the growers down there were pumping out dirt weed due to poor growing practices accompanied by poor packaging and hot car rides during the ride up above the boarder. However from a purely genetic perspective some REALLY skunky cannabis genes were floating around Mexico back in the 70s and 80s. The fact that I_Grow_Skunk's genetics are sourced from Mexico is actually a good thing IMO it leads me to believe that the seeds likely were some legit skunk bud that was preserved.

I'm trying to find the actual crosses that made the original Skunk#1, but I think it's Mexican x Thai x Afghani x Columbian The exact "recipe", who knows? I think it was closer to 70% sativa.......

You can find "stories" about how the original Skunk and original Haze, etc. came about and who was responsible for them........some of the stories contradict each other......

This is literally the catalogue I ordered my seeds from in 1988. I'm pretty sure I still have it. The memories it brings back just looking at it again. I used to read it and dream of having these seeds and the space and ability to "try them all".........

All of my High Times magazines from the 80s-90s, plus the seed catalogue, books, are all in a trunk in the back of a closet. I'm about to tackle getting to it and going through everything. I really hope I find the catalogue in there.......

The Seed Bank 1987 Seed Catalog.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[I_GROW_SKUNK]

I'm trying to find the actual crosses that made the original Skunk#1, but I think it's Mexican x Thai x Afghani x Columbian The exact "recipe", who knows? I think it was closer to 70% sativa.......

You can find "stories" about how the original Skunk and original Haze, etc. came about and who was responsible for them........some of the stories contradict each other......

This is literally the catalogue I ordered my seeds from in 1988. I'm pretty sure I still have it. The memories it brings back just looking at it again. I used to read it and dream of having these seeds and the space and ability to "try them all".........

All of my High Times magazines from the 80s-90s, plus the seed catalogue, books, are all in a trunk in the back of a closet. I'm about to tackle getting to it and going through everything. I really hope I find the catalogue in there.......

The Seed Bank 1987 Seed Catalog.pdf

drive.google.com

Super fucking cool. Does anyone know if a cannabis museum of around anywhere?

 

[SSgrower]

Thanks.......I don't know what prompted me to take them, maybe i kind of knew that I'd want to have a record of it. I had to take polaroids because even though it probably wouldn’t have happened, I wasn't gonna have some place developing a roll of film that had pictures of plants.......it was a much more paranoid time.

Yep, the photography stores called the police. SS

 

[Harpua88]

Yep, the photography stores called the police. SS

I don't know.....did they? Maybe if there was a really big one...

"Excuse me, are my marijuana grow room pictures ready?"

".......sir, this is a Wendy's"

 

[JerzeyMike]

@Backyard_Boogie. I dont have a dog in this fight, or search. Im not sure if i ever had the real RKS, but in south Jersey in the winter always came some Christmas bud. Just wanted to post this Super silver haze x catpiss by old school chronic. It has the pissiest nose ive ever smelled, hopefully shes a keeper. Its in 20gal of super soil.

 

[Garbage_bear]

The problem is I don’t know where the hype seeds are… it seems a lot of people hype up mediocre stuff. I found Humboldt Seed Company and after growing them just stuck with a few of theirs…and my bag seed of course lol… but I ended up with something incredible. It smells like a fresh Nag Champa incense stick when you break it up, smells like a smudge stick when burnt (like burning sage) and tastes like incense and cloves. The buds are jet black with big thick bright orange hairs and glittery with trichomes. Never experienced anything like it and it doesn’t fit the descriptions or diaries I’ve read. No clue where their genetics originated either, they keep it a secret apparently. But the high is very nice, floaty, clear and wonderful. Like being buzzed off a couple glasses of wine.

I’ve had that sold to me as “Buddhas’ Sister” amazing weed

 

[Backyard_Boogie]

@Backyard_Boogie. I dont have a dog in this fight, or search. Im not sure if i ever had the real RKS, but in south Jersey in the winter always came some Christmas bud. Just wanted to post this Super silver haze x catpiss by old school chronic. It has the pissiest nose ive ever smelled, hopefully shes a keeper. Its in 20gal of super soil.

Yes I heard many people talk about the Christmas Bud from way back in the day. Here in Southern California I never remember the Christmas bud coming around perhaps it was before my time. We did get certain strains sometimes that had a Christmas tree pine smell but I never remember it ever called that it was just random strains that had a pine tree nose. Im glad you like that SSH Catpiss from Old School Chronic. I grew that same one from him along with a few others in his catalogue. He has some great genetics and I don't want to talk shit about him he was always very cool when I dealt with him. However his Catpiss stuff was good but IMO it was not the flaming hot ammonia nose-burn that I remember from my youth. As frosty and beautiful as his SSH Catpiss was I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't quite the donkey punch to the nose that came from that Trainwreck/Skunk Catpiss strain I grew in college. If my TW/Skunk Catpiss was a 10/10 then I would rate JR's SSH Catpiss at like a 6/10. Very frosty and high in THC and beautiful flower and most would LOVE his stuff however from a purely terpene smell perspective it wasn't even in the same ballpark as the terps that came off the TW/skunk Piss I grew back in the day. It was out of control honestly it was so loud it was insane.

 

[Harpua88]

Yes I heard many people talk about the Christmas Bud from way back in the day. Here in Southern California I never remember the Christmas bud coming around perhaps it was before my time. We did get certain strains sometimes that had a Christmas tree pine smell but I never remember it ever called that it was just random strains that had a pine tree nose. Im glad you like that SSH Catpiss from Old School Chronic. I grew that same one from him along with a few others in his catalogue. He has some great genetics and I don't want to talk shit about him he was always very cool when I dealt with him. However his Catpiss stuff was good but IMO it was not the flaming hot ammonia nose-burn that I remember from my youth. As frosty and beautiful as his SSH Catpiss was I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't quite the donkey punch to the nose that came from that Trainwreck/Skunk Catpiss strain I grew in college. If my TW/Skunk Catpiss was a 10/10 then I would rate JR's SSH Catpiss at like a 6/10. Very frosty and high in THC and beautiful flower and most would LOVE his stuff however from a purely terpene smell perspective it wasn't even in the same ballpark as the terps that came off the TW/skunk Piss I grew back in the day. It was out of control honestly it was so loud it was insane.

When "sinsemilla" came around 40+ years ago, it had that sweet pine smell, and was really enticing. When I grew various "mids" bag seed in the late 80s-early 90s, some of it had a cat pissy kind of smell, but a lot of it had a sort of spiciness where we often said "This is what all of this 'Mexican regular"/mids stuff would be like if they grew it and cured it right." It was LIKE the bag weed mids we bought, just better, fresher, more terpenes......it seemed like there were 2 general types of phenos........the ones that leaned towards spice, and the ones that leaned more cat pissy.

I notice some of you are referring more to the "Road Kill Skunk" than "Skunk#1". Even very early on it was all about crossing Skunk#1 with everything.......Big Bud, Northern Lights......and quite often another, new variation came about with good results. Bigger, heavier buds, higher THC, earlier maturing......and while I've never had "Road Kill Skunk" or any of the other "stink" variations, "death skunk", double death stank skunk", whatever they were called, there is nothing like that original, true Skunk#1 when done right. It fell somewhere between perfume and skunk, more towards the latter depending on when it was picked. That "death/skunk" smell was never the only part of it. There was also this perfumey aspect to it, and it might be that specific complexity that has been bred out over time. The "rotten" part may have been cranked up, and I totally get the appeal of that too, I'd actually love to grow one of these varieties too.

People who aren't into weed don't understand the appeal of these varieties, it's kind of funny.........why would someone WANT stuff that smells like skunk, death, gas, rot, cat piss....? Because it's not just those smells. We wouldn't want weed that actually smelled exactly like cat piss, it still has to smell like marijuana......no one would put their nose to an actual skunk and say "Oh yeah, that's good". It's these smells mixed with, part of marijuana terpenes, together, that are enticing and desirable.

 

[Garbage_bear]

Lots of people posting in here already scooped beans. I won't call people out, but maybe if we did a transaction, they will chime in. I think boogie was the first to plant them...If your interested in the Road Kill Skunk, that's what my selection is. I'm actually thinking about letting cuttings go as well. 20 pack of Regulars, (male and female varietals), for 120 (shipping included). I'm thinking of selling cuts of my mother plant here for 250 (shipping included). She's straight up old school, late 80's Road Kill Skunk!

I’ve got a bunch of these seedlings growing right now. I am going to veg long and put in my greenhouse this summer. I will do a write up on these but it will be a while as this is a long project! I would rather post when I’m done then all throughout the grow. I’m exited! I hope it is legit skunk.

 

[I_GROW_SKUNK]

I’ve got a bunch of these seedlings growing right now. I am going to veg long and put in my greenhouse this summer. I will do a write up on these but it will be a while as this is a long project! I would rather post when I’m done then all throughout the grow. I’m exited! I hope it is legit skunk.

Yeah you were the first one to scoop beans. Can't wait for you report

 

[Harpua88]

Super fucking cool. Does anyone know if a cannabis museum of around anywhere?

A museum? We got that too...... ;)

A massive weed museum is opening in Soho this fall

Fair warning: there will be no weed inside of it.

www.timeout.com

 

[Dtekk]

I have 3 going, popped 5, and 2 didn't germ. I'll keep you posted.

 

[KenKenaf]

Ok so if I said “smells like those 90’s troll dolls” would you guys know what I mean?

Don’t get me wrong, I love the taste and smell it’s great… but just curious if anyone would know what I meant if I said “smells and taste like those old school troll dolls from the 90s” lol.

Yes and you would be DQd from any legit cannabis competition for having not only flawed weed, but weed entirely characterized by unnatural, wheeze inducing phenolic profiles caused by incorrect nutrition.

Either that or your nose is fucked. It's a thick line between natural and "hydro terroir" plastic and rubber smells, but seems most people can't tell until they smoke it and get sinus problems or not.


We have a long list of descriptors for cannabis flaws that have yet to be accepted by the growers producing flawed cannabis, but the rest of the world outside of America will not smoke polyphenol plastic asthma weed.

 

[I_GROW_SKUNK]

Yes and you would be DQd from any legit cannabis competition for having not only flawed weed, but weed entirely characterized by unnatural, wheeze inducing phenolic profiles caused by incorrect nutrition.

Either that or your nose is fucked. It's a thick line between natural and "hydro terroir" plastic and rubber smells, but seems most people can't tell until they smoke it and get sinus problems or not.


We have a long list of descriptors for cannabis flaws that have yet to be accepted by the growers producing flawed cannabis, but the rest of the world outside of America will not smoke polyphenol plastic asthma weed.

What the fuck are you talking about bro? I have grown Skunk varietals my entire life. These are natural Terpenes expressed in many different ways. Some smell like skunk ass, burnt plastics, fresh and burnt rubber, rotting carcass, dead fish, dead animals, skunk spray, throw up, local pub trash can, fermenting fruit, fermenting alcohol, fresh alcohol/wine and plenty of other nasty smells. How I know these are natural is because the first 4 years of growing I grew outside without ANY nutrients. I just planted them directly into the ground near running water. These terpene and thiols are completely normal. In fact, people that get paranoid smoking the newer strains out there, don't get that feeling from my old school skunk. It's that old creeper weed that will leave you munching on the couch, 90's style.

 

[KenKenaf]

I have heard that soapy description used many times in reference to the smell of certain Catpiss strains. Same with 707 Seed bank I have heard the owner himself in an interview describe the smell of his Catpiss line as kind of a soapy funky smell. The Catpiss I remember from 20 years ago had more of an ammonia smell it was like a blast to your nostrils when you opened the bag. Almost like a chemical smell. The 1990s San Diego Catpiss Im running now has that same vibe I remember. Only issue is I have been plagued with a ton of males thus far. Im gonna keep pheno hunting this SD Catpiss cuz Im pretty sure its got an old school ammonia winner in there. I bought more seeds to keep hunting it.

Catpiss has never smelled like ammonia. The thiols responsible for Catpiss aroma are derived from ~13C hydrocarbons. Far removed from Skunk. Completely unrelated to ammonia.

None of the Catpiss thiols resemble ammonia. I smell both regularly. If you think weed should smell like a dirty litter box of a female cat, or nitrogen offgasing from anaerobic soil, find a new grower. Catpiss smells like plants, that smell like tomcat spray; the stuff you find on your front door and car tires in the spring. Tons of plants smell like this, from white spruce to box elder. Zero plants smell like ammonia. Nothing like ammonia. Ammonia is a automatic DQ in any legit Cannabis competition. From my experience people are not even smelling ammonia when they say that, they are smelling windex smells; 4 carbon alcohols. This is the result of a major nutrient issue.

Cannabis is not nearly as subjective as shitty growers and state dispensary shoppers claim. It's time to grow up weed world, and accept how flawed most cannabis is and how much of a lacking their is of true cannoisseurs.

 

[I_GROW_SKUNK]

Catpiss has never smelled like ammonia. The thiols responsible for Catpiss aroma are derived from ~13C hydrocarbons. Far removed from Skunk. Completely unrelated to ammonia.

None of the Catpiss thiols resemble ammonia. I smell both regularly. If you think weed should smell like a dirty litter box of a female cat, or nitrogen offgasing from anaerobic soil, find a new grower. Catpiss smells like plants, that smell like tomcat spray; the stuff you find on your front door and car tires in the spring. Tons of plants smell like this, from white spruce to box elder. Zero plants smell like ammonia. Nothing like ammonia. Ammonia is a automatic DQ in any legit Cannabis competition. From my experience people are not even smelling ammonia when they say that, they are smelling windex smells; 4 carbon alcohols. This is the result of a major nutrient issue.

Cannabis is not nearly as subjective as shitty growers and state dispensary shoppers claim. It's time to grow up weed world, and accept how flawed most cannabis is and how much of a lacking their is of true cannoisseurs.

Your delusional and making nonsense up to fit your shitty situation with cannabis. My guess is you don't live anywhere where cannabis is legal and my guess is your under 21 and haven't grown cannabis ever. I bet you live in Europe...

 

[Backyard_Boogie]

Catpiss has never smelled like ammonia. The thiols responsible for Catpiss aroma are derived from ~13C hydrocarbons. Far removed from Skunk. Completely unrelated to ammonia.

None of the Catpiss thiols resemble ammonia. I smell both regularly. If you think weed should smell like a dirty litter box of a female cat, or nitrogen offgasing from anaerobic soil, find a new grower. Catpiss smells like plants, that smell like tomcat spray; the stuff you find on your front door and car tires in the spring. Tons of plants smell like this, from white spruce to box elder. Zero plants smell like ammonia. Nothing like ammonia. Ammonia is a automatic DQ in any legit Cannabis competition. From my experience people are not even smelling ammonia when they say that, they are smelling windex smells; 4 carbon alcohols. This is the result of a major nutrient issue.

Cannabis is not nearly as subjective as shitty growers and state dispensary shoppers claim. It's time to grow up weed world, and accept how flawed most cannabis is and how much of a lacking their is of true cannoisseurs.

I don't know about this man I tend to disagree. Sure the ammonia smell can be a result of weed that was not cured properly it is possible that mold or mildew in the jar can cause a funky ammonia type smell. But what we are discussing in this thread is specifically a terpene trait. I too know this to be true because when I first grew that train-wreck/skunk Catpiss pheno back in the day I only used simple organic practices. I grew indoors under a HID style bulb this was before LED. And I only used 2 ingredients in my basic soil blend it was mainly natural dirt. Im quite certain the smells I was getting off the plants were from natural terpenes. It was not due to nutrient or curing issues. Another thing that is important to note is that some people describe the smells differently too. I'm using the term "ammonia" because thats the closest thing that I can think of to describe the smell. Another person may say it smells a bit different but either way it's a certain characteristic of the smell we're talking about here. Its a very sharp and acrid smell that stings the nose. These types of terpenes existed in the past Im 100% positive of this and Im fairly certain it was the natural Ester plant alcohols. I've smelled it only a few times but it was real and not just a nutrient issue. It was only in the highest grade hottest chronic very hard to get. I met this rich guy once in Sunset Beach that had a contact for it. It was phenotype specific he had the Kush version of the Catpiss. His grow contact had the hottest pheno in town. This guy had access to it and the samples that he showed me were outrageously awesome we smoked it together and it was very high grade smooth on the lungs and tasted great with an insane terpene nose. It was NOT a nutrient issue and would NOT have been DQ from a competition. It would have won the God dam cannabis competition. This was back when the black market was still pretty strong the guys kept their genetics very tight to chest back then. There wasn't dozens of bullshit meaningless cannabis competitions every weekend like there is now. If you haven't experienced this before honestly Im bummed for you because it was amazing. But Im not really surprised because it was super rare even back then and nowadays basically none of the clinic weed has this same vibe anymore. Everything is fruity now and the real nose burn chronic has been gone for about 20 years now. It's a dam crying shame.

 

[I_GROW_SKUNK]

I don't know about this man I tend to disagree. Sure the ammonia smell can be a result of weed that was not cured properly it is possible that mold or mildew in the jar can cause a funky ammonia type smell. But what we are discussing in this thread is specifically a terpene trait. I too know this to be true because when I first grew that train-wreck/skunk Catpiss pheno back in the day I only used simple organic practices. I grew indoors under a HID style bulb this was before LED. And I only used 2 ingredients in my basic soil blend it was mainly natural dirt. Im quite certain the smells I was getting off the plants were from natural terpenes. It was not due to nutrient or curing issues. Another thing that is important to note is that some people describe the smells differently too. I'm using the term "ammonia" because thats the closest thing that I can think of to describe the smell. Another person may say it smells a bit different but either way it's a certain characteristic of the smell we're talking about here. Its a very sharp and acrid smell that stings the nose. These types of terpenes existed in the past Im 100% positive of this and Im fairly certain it was the natural Ester plant alcohols. I've smelled it only a few times but it was real and not just a nutrient issue. It was only in the highest grade hottest chronic very hard to get. I met this rich guy once in Sunset Beach that had a contact for it. It was phenotype specific he had the Kush version of the Catpiss. His grow contact had the hottest pheno in town. This guy had access to it and the samples that he showed me were outrageously awesome we smoked it together and it was very high grade smooth on the lungs and tasted great with an insane terpene nose. It was NOT a nutrient issue and would NOT have been DQ from a competition. It would have won the God dam cannabis competition. This was back when the black market was still pretty strong the guys kept their genetics very tight to chest back then. There wasn't dozens of bullshit meaningless cannabis competitions every weekend like there is now. If you haven't experienced this before honestly Im bummed for you because it was amazing. But Im not really surprised because it was super rare even back then and nowadays basically none of the clinic weed has this same vibe anymore. Everything is fruity now and the real nose burn chronic has been gone for about 20 years now. It's a dam crying shame.

Hopefully you find winners in what you got. Idk how many seeds your buddy sent you but I tell everyone they should find in each pack a male and female with terpenes that is what they were looking for.