Wise and knowledgeable expert advise for DWC at altitude.

[Moe.Red]

Well get this one. If you go to build a new house in Cali, they no longer allow a gas line to the house.

Those people in Cali should go stick their heads in a toilet 3 times and only pull it out twice.

Not you of course. Just everyone else.

 

[Moe.Red]

You are going to see some PH swings no matter how hard you try. I would assume the 5.8 to 5.7 is just the solution settling to it final number. I use auto PH'ers and they still have some swings specifically as the solution gets older which is kind of what I want because if the PH is dropping at the end of the Rez life it means the plants are eating the nutrients as I am hoping.
I think Moe is passing on the jacks information I may have given him. Jacks is extremely forgiving if you follow the recipe. 3.79-2.52-.99. You can get very good results using this formula. I am in the process of changing up the mix some but I am not going to start talking about that in an open forum. I have problems because of added Co2 and light strength.

The other thing is we are only dealing with 6 gallons of water here, stability will be tenuous at best.

 

[Anthem]

Those people in Cali should go stick their heads in a toilet 3 times and only pull it out twice.

Not you of course. Just everyone else.

I do not really belong in the state. But where am I going to go besides Alaska or Washington to get the fishing I get here. Bluefin Tuna are already off the coast of Southern California. Big schools found by spotters plans. This is my year to go for a cow!!!! AKA 200pound Tuna

 

[Moe.Red]

I do not really belong in the state. But where am I going to go besides Alaska or Washington to get the fishing I get here. Bluefin Tuna are already off the coast of Southern California. Big schools found by spotters plans. This is my year to go for a cow!!!! AKA 200pound Tuna

I love the salmon in the great lakes. Steelhead and lake trout get big for a landlocked wannabe like me.

 

[Aqua Man]

I'm coming up to speed here, but it seems like this plant is not happy and is probably severely underfed.

I'm guessing the plant is having an impact on the environment. If this were cannabis I would be all over feeding her more and getting things balanced. Plants in trouble tend to cause PH swings (generally down I have found) or the bacteria on the roots can cause a swing.

Yeah i agree… i think the ph swings are combinatorial kinda thing. If there is in fact precipitation of silicate. I did notice a slight but of sediment with the jacks micro that I attributed to the chelates so there is that.

but i feel it needs fed with a higher EC any which way. Im thinking 500-600ish ppm1.0-1.2 EC.

also orca should have been added at transplant but if thats part of it then it should clear up in days. To me with root that yound should be pearly white

 

[Aqua Man]

The other thing is we are only dealing with 6 gallons of water here, stability will be tenuous at best.

Yes but 0.1 in 24 gours is pretty dam good. You do want some drift but typically upwards… this could partially be due to low nitrogen as when the plant takes up nitrogen through ion exchange it should raise the PH of the media (in this case water) The plant can also minimally alter ph in the rootzone to aid in nutrient availability and in that case it may try to lower the PH

 

[IamN2pot]

I spent most of yesterday afternoon changing out the water and cleaning the system. Best as I can tell, something it seems, was collecting or growing in my recirculation pump. What is was, ?????? I have no clue!!!!
1. put trainer into freshly nuted, pHed and Orca'ed glass of water
2. drain system, floaties - lots of floaties
3. 1.5gal Chloramine tap water w/ 1/2 cup 3% H2O2 and clean bucket walls, bottoms, hoses and lines - drain
4. rinse w/ 1.5 gal tap ... over and over, 6 times and still getting tons of floaties - see pic
5. track down sorce of floaties because this is rediculas, there's no floaties in the water in the buckets, but is in the drain water??? opened the impeller/propeller area and found the remaining tan or brownish floaty stuff. Cleaned and re-installed pump.
6. filled system with another 1 1/2gal tap w/ 1/2 cup H2O2 and ran and soaked all hoses, stones, buckets, pumps, bla bla and drained. water was 90%+ clearer.
7. rinsed system with 1.5 gal RO water, 99% clean and clear!
8. filled with fresh pre-treated, pH'ed, Orca'ed and Jack's 321 nutes at about 60% water from reserve reservoir and reintroduced plant.
9. 8:pm last night reading were water temp - 70*, pH 5.9, EC 1.0 .... 6:AM this morning - pH was 6.0 and I lowered to 5.9 ....6:PM pH was 6.0 again and I lowered to 5.9. Water temp and EC are the same. Canopy temp is 79-81* and RH is 35-38%.

The trainer looks better a bit better after 24 hours in the new solution and certainly isn't any worse. Nothing like the 24 hours previous to my finally taking action.
I gotta get with it with this hydro DWC stuff.

Pictures of residue on the bottom of the plant pot before any rinsing and pics of floaties. Yuck.
...and as always, THANK's for you advise, comments and expertise!!!

Drain water after 2nd rinse.

looks like a snow globe, LOL!!!

 

[Moe.Red]

I don’t recognize the floaters.

If you let them settle do they float or sink when the water stops moving? Any smell? Any possibility of contamination of a grease or oil maybe for manufacturing of the parts?

If you still have them in the cup we can experiment a little to see what they are. If biological we need to get to the bottom of this so you know what to do

 

[steamroller]

Bio slime/film is what the particles look like.
Coming from your pump and hose fits also IMO.
In live water I have seen this very often .
Mostly forming on silicone tubing and plastics in a glass tank.
No harm from them if that is what they are .

 

[IamN2pot]

I don’t recognize the floaters.

If you let them settle do they float or sink when the water stops moving? Any smell? Any possibility of contamination of a grease or oil maybe for manufacturing of the parts?

If you still have them in the cup we can experiment a little to see what they are. If biological we need to get to the bottom of this so you know what to do

They would eventually sink. No oder. The only thing that was 'slick' feeling in either bucket was the intake screen on the recirculating pump and the power cord for it. The chiller pump was clean, but it was only added several days after firing up the system.

Sorry, it was all disposed of, so I didn't save anything to experment on. That's a good idea though, so next time I'll save some.

 

[IamN2pot]

Bio slime/film is what the particles look like.
Coming from your pump and hose fits also IMO.
In live water I have seen this very often .
Mostly forming on silicone tubing and plastics in a glass tank.
No harm from them if that is what they are .

THat's encouraging. I'm hopeful that Aqua's diognosis of severe mal nurishment, and that fits with CannaGrannie's mag deficiancy suggestion, will clear it up. And those 'floaties'? If you're right and they're benign junk, and I sure hope so, then it's even more likely that I starved them. Time will tell.

 

[steamroller]

Bio slime is common in new aquarium set ups.
Many flip out not knowing.
In the aquarium there are fish and shrimp that love to eat that stuff.
Just keep an eye on where you have seen it and maybe clean the pump and hose regularly.

 

[IamN2pot]

I have numbers from the system in the tent in my garage. Mind you, the garage (lung room) is insulated but not heated or AC'ed. I do have some control over temp by leaving the garage to laundry room door open, as the laundry room is on the house heat and AC, and closing the door between the laundry room and the rest of the house. I've been using it for 2 years now, so I've gotten adapt at opening it and closing it to the laundry room as well as the outside as weather allows to warm and cool. So with that in mind, the light cycle is on from 6:AM - Midnight. Temps this morning were, Garage air - 55* Water temp - 67* and it maxed out at yesterday at 62* in the garage and 76* water temp, 80* tent. THe tent air temps and humidity are in the picture below from my AC Infinity 67 controller.
THe 42 gal chiller for this system should arrive tomorrow and I have an aquarium 300w heater, so water temps are controlled. As long as I keep my air temps near and above 60*, well, in earth that works. Is it the same for hydro? Yes, I'd prefer night temps to be closed to 70*, but that's not realistic for my garage without using a space heater in the tent. I did that for earth, should I plan to use them for the hydro tent as well? I was originally concerned with over heating the water res, but with the chiller I shouldn't have that problem, right??? Hmmm?

I'm hopeful that I'll be ready to start germinating beans Tue night. I should have everything up, tested, running and ready by then and can just let it run for a couple days while the seeds sprout. That's the plan, now if I can keep Murphy at bay!!!!!!!!

....and to quote a famous slogan, your help and knowledge is ......."priceless"!!! THANKS!!!

 

[IamN2pot]

Bio slime is common in new aquarium set ups.
Many flip out not knowing.
In the aquarium there are fish and shrimp that love to eat that stuff.
Just keep an eye on where you have seen it and maybe clean the pump and hose regularly.

YEAH! I totally flipped out. scrub, H2O2, rinse over and over.
should I put a goldfish in there to eat it and stop my freaking out???? Hahahahaha!!!!!!! (JK folks)

 

[Aqua Man]

I spent most of yesterday afternoon changing out the water and cleaning the system. Best as I can tell, something it seems, was collecting or growing in my recirculation pump. What is was, ?????? I have no clue!!!!
1. put trainer into freshly nuted, pHed and Orca'ed glass of water
2. drain system, floaties - lots of floaties
3. 1.5gal Chloramine tap water w/ 1/2 cup 3% H2O2 and clean bucket walls, bottoms, hoses and lines - drain
4. rinse w/ 1.5 gal tap ... over and over, 6 times and still getting tons of floaties - see pic
5. track down sorce of floaties because this is rediculas, there's no floaties in the water in the buckets, but is in the drain water??? opened the impeller/propeller area and found the remaining tan or brownish floaty stuff. Cleaned and re-installed pump.
6. filled system with another 1 1/2gal tap w/ 1/2 cup H2O2 and ran and soaked all hoses, stones, buckets, pumps, bla bla and drained. water was 90%+ clearer.
7. rinsed system with 1.5 gal RO water, 99% clean and clear!
8. filled with fresh pre-treated, pH'ed, Orca'ed and Jack's 321 nutes at about 60% water from reserve reservoir and reintroduced plant.
9. 8:pm last night reading were water temp - 70*, pH 5.9, EC 1.0 .... 6:AM this morning - pH was 6.0 and I lowered to 5.9 ....6:PM pH was 6.0 again and I lowered to 5.9. Water temp and EC are the same. Canopy temp is 79-81* and RH is 35-38%.

The trainer looks better a bit better after 24 hours in the new solution and certainly isn't any worse. Nothing like the 24 hours previous to my finally taking action.
I gotta get with it with this hydro DWC stuff.

Pictures of residue on the bottom of the plant pot before any rinsing and pics of floaties. Yuck.
...and as always, THANK's for you advise, comments and expertise!!!


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Drain water after 2nd rinse.
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looks like a snow globe, LOL!!!
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Thats harmless bacteria… looks like tissue paper floaties right?

 

[Aqua Man]

Bio slime/film is what the particles look like.
Coming from your pump and hose fits also IMO.
In live water I have seen this very often .
Mostly forming on silicone tubing and plastics in a glass tank.
No harm from them if that is what they are .

Yup this ^^^

 

[steamroller]

Yup this ^^^

I might do OK in hydro after all?

 

[Moe.Red]

I might do OK in hydro after all?

What you want to do is watch me very closely.

Then do the opposite

 

[smokedareefer]

I might do OK in hydro after all?

Hydro is easy. Lol

 

[Aqua Man]

I might do OK in hydro after all?

Coming from the fish workd id say your 10 steps ahead of where you think you are… same shit different pile I believe is the proper expression here lol