2010 Tax, Regulate and Control Poll

[kushpheen]

im pretty sure the bill says rec users cant purchase more then one ounce at a time.
you guys keep forgetting your rights as medical cannabis users.

you guys have got to make that separation or you'll just keep thinking your getting screwed. nothing will change for the medi users.

Ok I'm pretty sure you haven't even read the bill

(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale.

 

[ograskal]

yeah I'm still undecided...too many thingz left out....What good is it to stack up a 5x5 area if you can only legally posses an ounce....sounds like a setup for jail time to me...~ogr

 

[kushpheen]

once again medi user can still grow there 6 mature 12 immature plants in whatever size are you please. non medi patients cant.

Perhaps you should do some research into recent California supreme court decisions or start paying me tuition.

 

[CAPO]

yeah I'm still undecided...too many thingz left out....What good is it to stack up a 5x5 area if you can only legally posses an ounce....sounds like a setup for jail time to me...~ogr

BINGO....Yahtzee........a step in the wrong direction if you ask me.

 

[danko]

i mean when they draft these terms i dont think they have the super green thumb master grower on there minds. im sure they go by something like 3 harvests a year with a usual 5x5 harvest of like a pound. since you would have to veg and flower in the same area. and i doubt the weed police are knocking on doors measuring a 5x5. i mean do you really think a mom in the closet will send you to jail? shit make it a 4x4 and a have mom in the closet and you have rights to keep you out of jail. or more likely to avoid the fine. just for being a resident of cali. no dr no nothing. but once again (im going to keep repeating this if i have to) you can still get your dr.s rec and grow 6 mature 12 immature in as large a space you want (dependent on local government regs per sb 420 and prop 215) and then go get your county dhs office and get your state card and start a collecive or grow for a collective and have all the plants that you need to take care of those patients in those collectives.

 

[kushpheen]

OZ and 5x5 grow are state wide minimums. Some counties will raise their limits. These limits are just the beginning, when the neighboring states are legal the limits will go out the door. Are there limits on liquor and tobacco? It’s just a step to real legalization. Do you really like the way it is now.
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No there aren't limits on alcohol and tobacco, were there limits placed on alcohol possession after the prohibition? Did it take years of legal battles to posses more than a 6pack, a case, a keg...etc? Why vote for legislation so flawed it needs to be immediately amended by another voter initiative to correct its original flaws?

California enacted prop 215 some 15 years ago, since then only 14 other states have passed similar (yet more restrictive) initiatives. How long do you think it will take the rest of the country to follow California's step towards legalization.

 

[ograskal]

well thats all speculation...I would like to see it in writing that growing/possessing more than an ounce will not land me in jail...~ogr

 

[danko]

ok. give me a minute.

 

[hbstoner]

yeah I'm still undecided...too many thingz left out....What good is it to stack up a 5x5 area if you can only legally posses an ounce....sounds like a setup for jail time to me...~ogr

Clearly the retard that wrote this bill has not seen these before.. looks like 5x5 to me :) I guess with this stupid bill you'd have to keep an oz of this and then throw the rest away..

 

[ograskal]

or a fine...

 

[CAPO]

It's invariably going to end up being up to the county and city to decide, which would make everything that much more complicated than it is now with greater variances. Also, that is what is such a bummer...the framework itself is flawed by "suggesting" too many strict guidelines that bare worse than they are now.

 

[danko]

I bolded what og wanted to know. read it all. its great. in fact i didnt even include section 2 which i think is better! it gives us retail rights!!!


Section 3: Lawful Activities
Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read:
Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale.
(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.
(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
(iv) Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection.



which one of you said they read this bill???

 

[danko]

thats PUBLIC OFFENCE guys and gals! not private, as in in your home.

 

[danko]

here is section b. actually read it instead of breezing over it picking up and misconstruing all the actual facts. this bill is written well. and in our favor. youd be crazy to vote no.

oh thanks to the one other guy!! i bet you read good. lol

b) “Personal consumption” shall include but is not limited to possession and consumption, in any form, of cannabis in a residence or other non-public place, and shall include licensed premises open to the public authorized to permit on-premises consumption of cannabis by a local government pursuant to section 11301.
(c) “Personal consumption” shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
(i) possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301;
(ii) consumption in public or in a public place;
(iii) consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator;
(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.

 

[danko]

Clearly the retard that wrote this bill has not seen these before.. looks like 5x5 to me :) I guess with this stupid bill you'd have to keep an oz of this and then throw the rest away..

That suckers alll yours bro!! legally without a dr without shit!!! vote yes!!!!

 

[kushpheen]

lol so you think possessing a pound at your house isn't a crime in this bill danko?

How can they set a strict 1 ounce possession limit yet say your allowed to possess the results of any harvest? It specifically contradicts itself while excluding any specific fines or sentences for exceeding these limits

Why don't you send off another email to the people at oaksterdam and get answers for these questions

What will the fine/sentence be for possession of over 1 ounce, a pound and so on? 1st offense, 2nd offense etc.

What will the fine/imprisonment be for cultivating in a space over 5x5?

If were going to regulate cannabis like alcohol why impose restrictions on the amount a person can possess or grow? We don't impose these restrictions upon alcohol consumers or producers.

What will the costs of licensing be for personal and commercial cultivation?

What will the cost of licensing be for retail outlets and how many will be allowed?

Who decides what these fines/sentences or licenses will cost ?

Who will be approving these licenses and under what conditions?

Who appoints the people in charge of making these decisions? The same local governments that have worked hard to restrict and limit medical marijuana dispensaries and personal cultivation rights?

 

[ograskal]

(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale.


Right here it says not more than an ounce.....~ogr

 

[danko]

kushpheen read the bill. IF you grow you can possess all that you have harvested. its in the fucking bill dude. learn to read something from start to finish before you start making ignorant comments. i even posted the info on this thread dude. and highlighted it!!! go back a page, take a breath, dont take a rip, and try and comprehend what your reading. it also helps to know that a public offense is a crime committed in public. not in the privacy of your own home. so unless your bitching cause you cant grow in the city park, i dont know what to tell you.

 

[danko]

READ THIS

(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.
(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.

 

[danko]

remember yall, the bill, first thing says

it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:

then all the good stuff. read it people. all of it. not just the parts you think you hate.