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Ultrasonic cleaner for tincture extraction?

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Has anybody ever tried to use an ultrasonic cleaner to make tincture? I've been reading into using a sonicator for it, and there's a bevy of information on that, but I can't find a whole lot on using an ultrasonic water bath or jewelry cleaner. It should work in theory, just maybe not quite as well as a sonicator. Can get an ultrasonic bath for like $200, but a sonicator is upwards of $2000. I have a lot left over from last years grow, and this years harvest was bigger than anticipated, so I have lots that I'd like to play around with in terms of making tinctures/topicals/extracts/etc... I always make coconut infused oil every year, but I'm a little bored of it.
 
Bro I didn't even know peeps used ultrasonic for making extracts...

So here your chance to explain to a dumbass that rarely keeps up with the latest cannabis trends 🤯
 
Found some interesting readying, if anyone is curious. Answered my question a bit:


But if anyone has actually done this, I'd like to hear about it!
Fascinating! My husband has repeatly asked, 'why not try it?' But I've had a bad couple of years growing, so didn't have the extra material to play with. Maybe this year. (g)
Please keep us posted if you find more info. or decide to do it yourself. People on this forum 'need to know'. LOL
 
Has anybody ever tried to use an ultrasonic cleaner to make tincture? I've been reading into using a sonicator for it, and there's a bevy of information on that, but I can't find a whole lot on using an ultrasonic water bath or jewelry cleaner. It should work in theory, just maybe not quite as well as a sonicator. Can get an ultrasonic bath for like $200, but a sonicator is upwards of $2000. I have a lot left over from last years grow, and this years harvest was bigger than anticipated, so I have lots that I'd like to play around with in terms of making tinctures/topicals/extracts/etc... I always make coconut infused oil every year, but I'm a little bored of it.
I have experience using the probe style sonicators. Using a bath should work in theory I just think it would take much longer as those probes aid in agitation of the material as well. I have a bath and tons of material to play with so I'll report back. will try both alcohols and edible oils as a solvent!
 

I have experience using the probe style sonicators. Using a bath should work in theory I just think it would take much longer as those probes aid in agitation of the material as well. I have a bath and tons of material to play with so I'll report back. will try both alcohols and edible oils as a solvent!
Very interested in your work
Making infused oil and syrup
Was looking at sonication to make nano emulsions



I think the stabilizers are needed to mitigate any reaction the carrier may have to the sonication
was starting to explore this and terpenes when shoulder surgery interrupted

Edit: Full disclosure, still learning from the ground up
Been doing extraction, reduction and infusion for several years
Learned from Psychedelic Sam (RIP)
 
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Very interested in your work
Making infused oil and syrup
Was looking at sonication to make nano emulsions



I think the stabilizers are needed to mitigate any reaction the carrier may have to the sonication
was starting to explore this and terpenes when shoulder surgery interrupted

Edit: Full disclosure, still learning from the ground up
Been doing extraction, reduction and infusion for several years
Learned from Psychedelic Sam (RIP)
Have you heard of the green/golden dragon tinctures that people in the community have been making for a long time?
This should produce a similar product, in a fraction of the time. But curious what compounds are lost in the sonication process if any. I dont have access to mass spec for this purpose what a shame. 😮‍💨
 
Very interested in your work
Making infused oil and syrup
Was looking at sonication to make nano emulsions



I think the stabilizers are needed to mitigate any reaction the carrier may have to the sonication
was starting to explore this and terpenes when shoulder surgery interrupted

Edit: Full disclosure, still learning from the ground up
Been doing extraction, reduction and infusion for several years
Learned from Psychedelic Sam (RIP)
Stabilizers are somthing I have not looked into yet, shelf life and stability is def a concern I need to address.
When you refer to a reaction with the carrier, you are talking about the solvant? Sonication works well with most solvants polar and non polar. But overtime during storage I can see the need.
 
Sorry, stoner splaining
Meant the reaction between the cannabis oil and in my case simple syrup
Apologies for being off topic since this is an extraction thread but sonication and nano emulsion are of interest to me
I've worked my way up to being an idiot so I need a bit more research
Thought about getting a probe but needed more information on whether going from micro to nano emulsion was worth the cost and effort
 
Have you heard of the green/golden dragon tinctures that people in the community have been making for a long time?
This should produce a similar product, in a fraction of the time. But curious what compounds are lost in the sonication process if any. I dont have access to mass spec for this purpose what a shame. 😮‍💨

Psychedelic Sam was a green dragon master on another site
He was my mentor as I came in under pressure and time constraints for an ill family member
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Extract away!

The big question I have with extraction is the efficiency
Does sonication increase extraction efficiency
I'm still doing the freeze and shake method

The above will last years as I use maybe a cup when I extract
Will need some still runs to draw off the water over time
Stoner posting is hard
 
Sorry, stoner splaining
Meant the reaction between the cannabis oil and in my case simple syrup
Apologies for being off topic since this is an extraction thread but sonication and nano emulsion are of interest to me
I've worked my way up to being an idiot so I need a bit more research
Thought about getting a probe but needed more information on whether going from micro to nano emulsion was worth the cost and effort
If your goal is to create emulsions, you will need the probe type that is able to homoginize the solution. Cant do this with the bath type unfortunatly.

But to answer your question. Yes, sonication will increase the efficency of the extraction greatly. Many SOP's call for 15-20 mins with a probe, some bath SOPs call for roughly 36 mins.

My fiance is a big fan of infused drinks, with my last harvest I made some 4 week tinctures, evap the alchohol add infused white sugar to make a simple syrup. works well but doesnt seem to store well. Guess were traveling the same path!
 
If your goal is to create emulsions, you will need the probe type that is able to homoginize the solution. Cant do this with the bath type unfortunatly.

But to answer your question. Yes, sonication will increase the efficency of the extraction greatly. Many SOP's call for 15-20 mins with a probe, some bath SOPs call for roughly 36 mins.

My fiance is a big fan of infused drinks, with my last harvest I made some 4 week tinctures, evap the alchohol add infused white sugar to make a simple syrup. works well but doesnt seem to store well. Guess were traveling the same path!
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Here is my version of infused simple syrup
Use a product called 210S that is a mix of 90% xanthan and 10% gum arabic


Use the gums to bind the cannabis oil to the syrup
Long shelf life and maintains dispersion and suspension
Hot, room temp or cold
Colder drinks require a little thinning but mixes in seamlessly

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But it tastes awful! LOL
From what I understand, this method will taste much better than a shake and wait or whatever using alcohol, as it preserves terpenes and taste or whatnot. I've only been learning about this for a few days tho, so I could be way off.
Went off topic but for OPs sake, made a 32 min. green dragon tincture using an ultrasonic cleaner. Used a buchner funnel to separate and will evap most of the alchohol off. Cant speak for anything but color, but damn its so dark!
Have you heard of the green/golden dragon tinctures that people in the community have been making for a long time?
This should produce a similar product, in a fraction of the time. But curious what compounds are lost in the sonication process if any. I dont have access to mass spec for this purpose what a shame. 😮‍💨
I was under the impression that less compounds are lost doing this than using alcohol or heat for extract as it doesn't actually destroy the compounds? As I already mentioned, I'm new to this.

I'm currently bidding on a good Sonicator. What I read about ultrasonic baths is that it does work, just not nearly as well. I was reading specifically on using glycerine and flour. You'd put that in a jar, then fill the ultrasonic bath with water and some ice and put the jar of fun in it and ultrasonic it (Is that a verb? Claiming it if not) for a little bit. I guess it's better than other ways, but inferior to sonicator.

What you're doing is exactly what I'm trying to figure out. This was a very weird grow season and all of my plants were consistently 2 months behind. I pretty much gave up and thought I'd have to rely on last years (which was bountiful, to say the least). Somehow, life found a way, and my plants just exploded. And then, they decided to crank up the quality. I'm excited about it all. But I digress. I've decided I'd rather a sonicator because I can possibly get one at auction for very cheap (they also often have mass specs that end up going for nothing sometimes because nobody wants them, depending on where you live). I'm hoping that just doing the bits in the sonicator is enough, and don't have to do additional steps. Found some article and a guy was using a rotovap, hoping I don't have to buy one of those too!

I'm thinking about emulsifications, like infused honey, using said glycerine. Then maybe some topicals if it works out like I'd hoped. You also mentioned not storing well, I had read something about how a sonicator is used to make things store longer and meet health codes for retail. I don't remember what they said, I'll have to see if I can find it, but that's what got me thinking about the sonicator route.

Plus, I plan on getting wild and crazy with it in the kitchen. Chicks dig that.

If I get my sonicator, I'll be messaging you for help certainly!
 
Sorry for going off topic a bit here, but this is sonicator related.

I have often thought about using ultrasonic waves to winterize. My theory is that it would accelerate the process as well as offer efficiency. I would use the probe type.

Has anyone done this? Or would it be a waste of money?
 
Sorry for going off topic a bit here, but this is sonicator related.

I have often thought about using ultrasonic waves to winterize. My theory is that it would accelerate the process as well as offer efficiency. I would use the probe type.

Has anyone done this? Or would it be a waste of money?
This thread is causing a whole lot of learning! I just learned just now about winterization. I don't see why it wouldn't work. My first thought though is that you're using ethanol, which has a super low flash point and a sonicator causes quite a bit of heat to form. When using it to make an extract you're suppose to have it in an ice bath to keep the heat from getting too high and destroying compounds.

Would it get hot enough to ignite the ethanol? Or would it be the equivalent of shooting a bullet at a puddle of gas; works in the movies, not in reality.
 
This thread is causing a whole lot of learning! I just learned just now about winterization. I don't see why it wouldn't work. My first thought though is that you're using ethanol, which has a super low flash point and a sonicator causes quite a bit of heat to form. When using it to make an extract you're suppose to have it in an ice bath to keep the heat from getting too high and destroying compounds.

Would it get hot enough to ignite the ethanol? Or would it be the equivalent of shooting a bullet at a puddle of gas; works in the movies, not in reality.

Hey. Thanks for the reply.

Yes. As I understand, the device does create heat. To mitigate that, I would run the sonicator intermittently. Also, the solution would be at sub-zero during the process. So that will mitigate some heat as well.

I have also considered an ultrasonic cleaner. The vessel containing the solution would be placed in the machine. Cheaper. But I dont know if it would be as effective or efficient.
 
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