Plant Spacing and Light Layout

[Donkdbz]

Im personally happy he took down those drawings, it will save everyone from redoing their room after their first harvest and giving themselves a spacing that will accommodate a 2+p pound plant. ask your self this how many 3ft wide plants have you seen weight more that 8oz?

Muuuuhhaaaahhahaha

I saw 6 on my run.
The other 2 girls where 40"s wide and 36"s tall and over a pound each.

 

[Lost]

Dizzle - I agree. I have had some nice yielders but I cannot see 4 pounds. 2 pounds a plant is a great thing to shoot for but realize that 1 and change is typical. I can see hitting 2 1/2 regularly with top shelf meds tho.

I could be oof tho. I need to harvest my 13 dawgs in a few weeks and I will see if there is such a huge difference.

I still think my grape romulan x 13 dawgs strain will be the best of both worlds but untill I land where I can continue my breeding projects. Its all hot air on my part.

 

[Lost]

Muuuuhhaaaahhahaha

I saw 6 on my run.
The other 2 girls where 40"s wide and 36"s tall and over a pound each.

Really, picks or it was a tranny from china town..


::toivo)

 

[Lost]

Finally someone bringing up that

A) 4lb. per plant mark was hit once....not repeatedly

B) Growers need to be happy with the results they get and not feel sad about 2lb plants

C) Much like the Bible....what you read needs to be digested and taken with a grain of salt, not always as the word of god.

Given Mr. D's experience, these words of wisdom couldn't be coming from a more accomplished MPB'r IMO


BTW, people most definitely shouldn't be sweating Widow as this cat has done nothing but be helpful to folks.

werd to big bird..

 

[Donkdbz]

Really, picks or it was a tranny from china town..


::toivo)

technically 40" centers when in a row is 56" centers



and pics 8 girls 5400's watts 8 pounds (.75gpw) No C02

 

[mrdizzle]

Muuuuhhaaaahhahaha

I saw 6 on my run.
The other 2 girls where 40"s wide and 36"s tall and over a pound each.

not bad brother, you did a great job with that room, haha now picture this, same plants just 4times the bud on them and take away the extra 14inch you gave them, haha I have a good memory

"Had to move em cause they got so wide. They 4'6" centers"

"With 40" centers where the light is postioned is 28"s from center of plant. Giving 3' wides plants 10"s from bulb. I cannot see how DD would have got his 40" centers with the
x0x0x
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x0x0x style layouts"

 

[Lost]

And thats just the thing. A 2.5 lb plant is huge. Can you imagine packing andother 1.5 lbs onto that. I just cannot at this point. I think 3 will be a regular number shortly, but even 3 to 4 is huge. 2-3 is just a huge difference in size, or at least cola size..

 

[Lost]

Dizzle is a respected expert with this stuff. Why someone would question you is beyond me.. Especially with the spacing. We have been fighting that battle since almost day 1.

 

[mikeross]

Dizzle is a respected expert with this stuff. Why someone would question you is beyond me.. Especially with the spacing. We have been fighting that battle since almost day 1.

It only takes a little imagination and common sense to figure out that 40" centers is not going to work in a xoxo pattern when your aiming for 4'+ wide plants... all my opinion of course. Dizzle's many photographs where proof enough for me that 40" centers would not work. With DD not around anymore its a blessing to have certain members here who keep this forum somewhat active and share so much real world experience.

 

[Donkdbz]

not bad brother, you did a great job with that room, haha now picture this, same plants just 4times the bud on them and take away the extra 14inch you gave them, haha I have a good memory

"Had to move em cause they got so wide. They 4'6" centers"

"With 40" centers where the light is postioned is 28"s from center of plant. Giving 3' wides plants 10"s from bulb. I cannot see how DD would have got his 40" centers with the
x0x0x
0x0x0
x0x0x style layouts"

I was just talking smack about 3' wide plants with over 8oz.

After my run I say with X0X0X

60 inches and over is a good starting point on spacing depending on what your running.

For those who have not read Jacks UC thread he went from 40" rows to 50" rows giving him 35"s stem to bulb vs 28"s stem to bulb

40"s and 4lbs might as well start believeing in the easter bunny and santa claus again.

 

[TrichromeFan]

You guys are fucking awesome. I feel bad just adding praise to such a badass meeting of the MPB pro's. I don't care if dds didn't make this thread, or even add to it directly. This last bit makes a better sticky for MPB'ers than the nutrient schedule and shopping list. Maybe this will put to rest this topic, and make it common knowledge that you need to learn your strain, don't expect some crazy yields, and to just get the fuck in there and go figure out the spacing that works for you. I'm one to talk. I need to shut up and get to growing, myself.

 

[mrdizzle]

I was just talking smack about 3' wide plants with over 8oz.

After my run I say with X0X0X

60 inches and over is a good starting point on spacing depending on what your running.

For those who have not read Jacks UC thread he went from 40" rows to 50" rows giving him 35"s stem to bulb vs 28"s stem to bulb

40"s and 4lbs might as well start believeing in the easter bunny and santa claus again.

I know brother its all good

the rows are a little different than the xoxox pattern

reason is lets say your looking at a perfect square, the distance from corner to corner further in distance than the width and the height, like flat screen TV's. so to drop a bulb in between that spacing is a little easier than it would be to drop that bulb in a 40in spacing

 

[socalsinner]

Plant Spacing

the asshole was me, I was trying to help people not set up 40in centers so at harvest time they werent asking themselves where the rest of their pounds are.

Windowcleaner sent me a PM with sand in his crotch telling me he was right, so I told him to go fuck himself with a 40oz. see instead of tracing circles, I grow trees, so when someone who doesnt tries to tell me Im wrong, Im sure going to tell him exactly what I think of him.

Im personally happy he took down those drawings, it will save everyone from redoing their room after their first harvest and giving themselves a spacing that will accommodate a 2+p pound plant. ask your self this how many 3ft wide plants have you seen weight more that 8oz?

make no mistakes, Im not growing big bud so I dont want 4lbs of crappy herb, I grow kush and am more than happy with 2lbs of AAA+ bud per light.

if you set up a 40in center, you will either flip your plants way too small and end up with shit yeilds, or you will grow your plant into the light and reduces its footprint down to about 5inches giving you crap yeilds. I have 5.5ft spacings and have buds within 8in of the bulbs

your trying to fit a 4x8ft table worth of bud on one plant, unless your growing a strain that produces paint cans for kolas you need a 5x5ft plant, so thats a 60in wide plant, and then you need to slip a bulb in between that plant and another 60in plant, so your spacing could easily be 6ft stem to stem, not 3ft 4inch, that makes me laugh

ask anyone who have actually grown a 2pound plant before, Jk, janus, easies, me, Lost, coxie, DHF, or 100's of others over the last 10yrs and I bet not one will agree with a 40in stem to stem

If you grow in rows, you have shorten your spacing to 50in, but if your doing the x0x0x0x pattern you best start at 55in

anytime windowboy wants to post his grow and prove me wrong, I'll be here

Dizzlegit... I agree 100%. I have grown one strain with 40 inch center... and it was my first and last strain at 40 in centers.. If you like burnt bud with no fucking flavor man pump up those 40 in centers lol. When I ran MPB light spacing on my last run I used 48 inch centers and It came out really nice but If I had 52 or it would have been perfect. Mind you I have over 7 tons of AC and only 12k of light. My next run will be with the buckets but in rows and I will still use 48 centers. Peace

 

[kush4breakfast]

fuck. now dizzle got me rethinking my whole setup. do you think 1lbers are feasible with 40in centers?

 

[Donkdbz]

fuck. now dizzle got me rethinking my whole setup. do you think 1lbers are feasible with 40in centers?

If you are setup in a row layout yes.

In x0x0x most likely not......but if you do some fancy screen work and setup a quasi V-scrog you could. You would need o shape the girl like a chrismas tree or pyramid and pull the light towards the top. It would be quite the challenge.

 

[mrdizzle]

fuck. now dizzle got me rethinking my whole setup. do you think 1lbers are feasible with 40in centers?

it will be tough, they have to have some big kolas but you can do it im sure. its that 2lber thats going to give you problems

 

[UCMENOW]

Spacing......the final frontier......to boldly go were DD has gone before :)

Pretty sure JMO pulled between 1.25-2lb plant average on 40" centers in 8 gallon modules......went with 50" on the 13's this time though if that means anything.

IMO 2.5 is attainable at 40" centers but I think Cool Tubes and supplimenting with over head horizontals like the Adjusta-Wings would be helpful in doing that.

 

[kush4breakfast]

it will be tough, they have to have some big kolas but you can do it im sure. its that 2lber thats going to give you problems

we are all talking mpb here right and not UC, or does this apply to both systems?

 

[noone88]

50" is definitely needed if you want to be able to navigate the interior of the room. I can understand why Jack went with 50" centers; with his plant count and the need to maintain the plants, he needs to space them out so he can actually move.

If you're doing a small vertical grow, like 4-5 plants, 40" centers would work. If you have a bunch of plants in a center row, you'll need to up it to 50". Or be able to levitate.

Training the plant with the concrete wiring helps a lot as well.

 

[socalsinner]

50" is definitely needed if you want to be able to navigate the interior of the room. I can understand why Jack went with 50" centers; with his plant count and the need to maintain the plants, he needs to space them out so he can actually move.

If you're doing a small vertical grow, like 4-5 plants, 40" centers would work. If you have a bunch of plants in a center row, you'll need to up it to 50". Or be able to levitate.

Training the plant with the concrete wiring helps a lot as well.

To be HONEST Im thinking of going with 1 foot apart and using this new device I saw. CHeck it out...