Ignorance and arrogance is a dead end guys. I didn't pull 40" out of my hat. Its DDs suggested spacing growing his G13 plant. If you have been growing a short internode indica and following the instructions below, you have reason to complain about 40" centers.
Coxie is a great & brave guy but he vegged his Hashplant too long and he told me so.
See below a condensed collection of DoubleDs Grow tips. Some are from posts and others are from private messages:
DDs quotes:
If you haven’t been inside an MPB garden b4 it is extremely bright, so bright that if you don’t have an expensive pair of sunglasses you will have a migraine in less than 5 minutes. If you put clones in that haven’t been hardened off they will lumen shock then die. I take my clones, 4 per 4inch Rockwool cube, that way you can take big clones and they turn out beautiful and green. I then split the 4 inch cube down the middle twice so i have 4 even size clones. I then transplant them to 6 inch cubes and place them on an ebb n flow table with a 1000 watt
Hortilux above them 4ft horizontal reflector. Over the course of 10 days to 2 weeks I lower the reflector every 2 days until it gets 8 inches above the cuts after 2 weeks. You can tell when they are ready by the change in the new leaf structure. The leaves get very bumpy.
Instead of flat and smooth they are slightly twisty and bumpy. Ok, they are now ready to go to the MPB's where they will get 3 to 4 times more light then they got on the table. After this hardening off period on the table they still are going to get lumen shock but not nearly as bad. We keep our vertical lights above the plants (bottom of bulb is 2 inches above top of plant) over the next 7 to 10 days we lower our vertical bulbs until they are beside the plants. Now we are ready to flower.
Remember, everything i have said here is based on what I see happening, my strain, the way the room is operating at that time (season) don’t follow this exactly, it’s a great place to start but you need to know your strain. Pick 1 strain only; learn it like the back of your hand. I can grow my g13 w/o ph metres or ec/ppm metre. I know her so well i know what’s going on just by her colour.
Use Rockwool bro, as long as the cubes aren’t sitting directly in water they cannot over saturate. When i transplant i put a dripper in each cube for the first 2-3 weeks running 24/7 with no problem, actually it works way better than putting the drippers beside the cube.
You sent me a pm re. cubes and i will try to explain it to you best i can. I have used both 4x4 and 6x6x6 cubes. The 4 inch cubes dont allow for great branch growth during veg but the 6 inch i get beautiful branching on my cuts, so rather than a stick clone when i transplant to the mpb when i use 6 inch cubes i transplant a small bush. These branches end up huge and yield goes way up.
Another thing if i transfer 2 cuts at the same time to the mpbs one 4 inch cube and 1 6inch cube, they r both exactly the same height..... the 4 inch one will be a foot around and a foot shorter than the plant in the 6 inch cube at the end of 3 weeks flower.
When your growing those indicas a foot equals about a pound in yield.
the best possible veg setup
buy n ebb n flow table and build a pvc frame to lay on top of the table. Put a 6 inch cube on the table and measure from the top of the table to the top of the cube and add 12 inches. Make your fram this high. Now you can clone directly on your ebb n flow table directly into your 6 inch cubes... take your cuts and throw a piece of plastic over your pvc frame and make sure it relatively sealedto the edges of your table.... now you have a 4ft x 4ft cloning chamber/vegging table. Once you hit 10 - 14 days, remove the plastic, fire up the 1000 and veg away. No transplant shock from small cubes to big cubes, you didnt even touch them. continue veggin until your ready for the mpb's.
I have tried everyway bro, this is the best and you will never here my going any other way again.
ps make sure your veg water is chilled mate, many peeps get root rot at this phase, or at least a start to it. You must chill your water weather you veg or flower
I think i only get about 2 inches buried in the net pot with 4 inches sticking out. Again, it depends on your water level in the net pots. You want 2 inches of hydroton between the nutes and the cube. Remember when your filling the bottom of your basket with hydroton, after you put approx 2 inches of hydroton in lean on the top of the basket to simulate the weight of a full grown tree and make sure you still have 2 inches.
Also, make sure the drippers r running to because that will add to the height of the nute solution. Follow this to the t and you won’t go wrong. Shit..... also, make sure you put a dripper directly into the top of the cube dripping 24/7 for the first 3 weeks, way better than laying in beside the cube.
Correct, i use 2 drippers (not sure gph) but i put one directly into the top of the cube (do not cover in hydroton, cant.
4 inches of cube sits above the net pot)
Seedlings
High yield plants
www.sensiseeds.com can’t miss strains are Hashplant, Northern Lights, Black Domina and G13/Hashplant.
Hi Coxie
I set my ppm at 650 ppm/6.0 ph and i water/flood 1once a day. If you r in a rush to get them big then you could water up to 4 times per/18 hours.
dds
Thanks so much doubled! That is right about were I was at... Definitely keeping my fingers crossed with these seedlings but so far they seem to be jamming!
I don’t know the reason why but the biggest yielding plants all come from 6 x 6 cubes. I believe they build allot more root system in the 6 x 6 than they do the 4 x 4. I will never use 4 x 4 again. I take my clones and have a nice root system in 10 days, roots at 7 but not enough 4 a 1000 watt light. I put them on the table for 14 days with a 1000 over head lowering it from say 3ft over the clones to 8 inches at the end of 14 days. Into the mpb's for 5 - 7 days and flower straight away.
04-04-2010, 10:06 AM
I dont know if i told you this or if you have read it but when i transplant my 6x6 cube into the mpb they are only 8 inches tall x 6 inches wide. A nice little shrub. Even at this size bro they get 6-9 days of veg depending on how fast they get over minimal lumen shock. These cuts will end up 3.5 ft tall, 4.5 ft wide and weigh in anywhere between 3 and 5 pounds. I tried running raskals white bubblegum, indica pheno. She was 6inches tall x 6inches wide when flowered and ended up being 5.5ft tall x 5ft wide..... it was sik. It took over everything, all the lights had to be moved to the ceiling and the yield went to shit.
Start small bro, learn what you have got from there and then work it for a year. Same strain.
1) you will be a 10 times better grower, you will see things and learn things that would take you 10 years to learn normally.
2) pick a strain and stik with it for 5 grows/1year.
3) Keep a journal, write all those important thoughts down so when you start round 2 you can sit down and have a read b4 you start.
Do this and you will be a MASTER mpb'r in 12 months.
A minimum of 1/2 hp is recommended and I would double the a/c. 12000 btu/1 ton of a/c is good for 3 x 1000 watt lights all the time except for the hot summer heat, esp if your garden is above ground.
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I've never misrepresented myself, I said many times I was not an experienced grower. Grew a few crops outdoors and indoors in the mid 70's from seeds in soil and ebb n flow with pea gravel and 2- 1000W MH lamps.
I'm an engineer, I follow instructions, do calculations and make drawings so other people can build stuff and I'm very good at it. I made drawings for folks that wanted help. If someone asked for a 50" or ?? spacing I didn't try to talk them out of it, I drew it for them. I've been thanked by DDs and other successful growers here on the Farm for my drawings. The gang of unhappy folks on this thread that are dumping on me are just not very sophisticated folks in my eyes. You don't need to build something to design it correctly. Thats how the world works, we all do different jobs. If you have sustained damages by using my drawings, I have liability insurance. Send me a PM.
I do believe that in order to grow 4 lbs plants, it needs to be a compact plant with the lamps very close together. The farther apart the lights the less intensity and there fore less growth. DDs said he tried to grow some other strains and couldn't get the weight, because of over growing. If he can’t do it, how are you going to do it?
It’s all there in MPB forum just read. Blaming me won't get it done.
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