16 1k lights 235 ebb&grow buckets! Lets get it on!!

[mittenmedgrow]

Ledsled is right on esp. humidity I run 70% until app 3rd week of flowering. Plants grow much faster. I love growing.check out hydrofogger

 

[leadsled]

I'm not ledsled or shady but I have been doing this growing thing very succesfully for 18 yrs . It is really hard for someone to give a diagnosis from pics. but those plants look really happy on top I still say that is light bleacing from when the plant was younger. Thats what a bleached leaf looks like when it gets older ive done it many many times. I'm not a know it all but I do have a shit ton of experience.

I hope that my advice is helpful and does not come across as a "know it all". I love growing and sharing what I have learned. Does that mean all what I know is correct? no way.

Has advice going off pic helped others? Yes. so I feel it may be worth a response to try and help.

Here is one example where pics saved a grow:
the op was fucking up and no one told him to raise the lights. Looking at his previous grow the leaves were fried in the photos.
Pics helped. I saw he better raise them 1000 watt bulbs, not a good idea to put 1000w lights 12" above fresh clones.

without pic would not be able to see that and help!

 

[mittenmedgrow]

I totally agree with you ledsled I was talking about me being a know it all not u. Ya somethings are easy to see in pics. light bleaching for example deff due to lockout not so easy. I deff. have my stupid moments. I just love seeing people have sucess as do most. The farm is great love what you people are doin here. I'm just trying to contribute and do my part.

 

[Yodas Master]

I have been struggling with humidity since i started..I have 2humidifiers running non stop at 10 gallons a day....
I raised the lights on that section and ill see if that helps any..
As far as anything elseyou guys can see here a few pics of them today..
All are reaching for the heavens..you guys have helped out so much..think im lying view my first 3pages of this thread!!!!

 

[Yodas Master]

Quick question..As im doing multiple research on these plants. I have compared them to my friends soil plants with 70/80% humidity...The only difference is the fan leaves are much larger..And mine seem to be extremely tightly noded where his are larger in surface area..
Does this mean they need larger leaves to perspire in more humid conditions and mine are simply large enough to suffice proper prespiring in low humidty??
So i guess what im saying is does high humidity result in bigger fan leaves??
Now if this is the case, are the plants spending more time creating larger fan leaves to keep up with the higher humidity???? Ultimately robbing the plant of otherwise fruiting faster or vertical growth?
Just wondering what you guys think.. :wait

 

[mittenmedgrow]

Good question I got nothing but I think your plants look great. Keep on keepin on lifes a garden dig it. If you want more humidity check out the hydrofogger.My local shop sells them for 300$.

 

[Yodas Master]

Good question I got nothing but I think your plants look great. Keep on keepin on lifes a garden dig it. If you want more humidity check out the hydrofogger.My local shop sells them for 300$.

Thanks for the compliments my friend..I have been interested in the hydrofogger.com guys for awhile..Not sure why i havent gotten it..Slight retardation i guess on my part..Im going to order it online..Its the third time somebody advised it for me..:anim_09:

 

[Shady]

The issue with light bleaching has nothing to do with heat. It is the intensity of the light not heat that bleaches. Also your stems probably are not purple due to temp I would say pretty sure that is a P issue. Also if you keep your night temps the same as your day temps through the stretch the plants will not stretch as much. I read that a few years ago and it is true. A ten degree temp swing will make your plants stretch more. I think it was f the european conv. not f the europeans.

Gotta agree with you on the light intensity and stretch issue related to temps... Here's a link I've posted in my journals and around the Farm regarding stretch control:



Maybe we can see some of your work sometime as I'm just a rookie and don't have anywhere near the experience that you have... Even so I disagree about there being a Phosphorus deficiency as red stems can also be a sign of other deficiencies such as Magnesium... :thinking

Quick question..As im doing multiple research on these plants. I have compared them to my friends soil plants with 70/80% humidity...The only difference is the fan leaves are much larger..And mine seem to be extremely tightly noded where his are larger in surface area..
Does this mean they need larger leaves to perspire in more humid conditions and mine are simply large enough to suffice proper prespiring in low humidty??
So i guess what im saying is does high humidity result in bigger fan leaves??
Now if this is the case, are the plants spending more time creating larger fan leaves to keep up with the higher humidity???? Ultimately robbing the plant of otherwise fruiting faster or vertical growth?
Just wondering what you guys think.. :wait

I believe higher humidity results in larger fan leaves similar to a tropical rain forest whereas desert plants reduce the surface area to reduce the transpiration through their stomata... Here's a quote from the VPD link I posted previously:

If humidity is too low (i.e. high VPD), the stomata on the leaves tend to close in order to limit transpiration and prevent wilting. This closing of the stomata will also limit the rate of CO2 uptake and hence limit photosynthesis and consequently plant growth. Low humidity also reduces turgidity (water pressure within the plant cells) and this in turn also restricts growth. Blossom end rot in tomatoes and capsicum can also be attributed to low humidity (high VPD).

Conversely, if humidity is too high (i.e. low VPD) the stomata will fully open but even so the plants will be unable to evaporate enough water to carry minerals into the plant and so again, growth will be impeded and mineral deficiencies (particularly calcium) may occur. In addition, the plants may exhibit soft growth, fungal problems and mineral deficiency symptoms.

To answer your question about plants spending more time growing fan leaves vs blooming flowers... That really depends on the balance of nutrients and ambient environment... Also as the plants begin to fully flower, the fan leaves tend to reduce the width of their blades and number of blades on each leaf...

On a side note, since I'm a smart ass rookie, I will say that I did get a 5 on my AP Biology test a long time ago and have done several shady experiments in the last 2 yrs of growing to confirm or disprove my suspicions on several links and articles that I provide to others... Take my advice with a grain of salt and experiment for yourself to find your own truths. So far your girls are looking much better in any event... :itwasntme

 

[mittenmedgrow]

Sunlight sytems sells the same thing call it a commercial humidifier. Might save ya 100bucks. If u do get one run RO water thru it they actually blow a really wet type fog. If you put your hand a foot in front of it it will quickly soak it. Tap water will leave a residue. Somebodys prob. already tolld u that.The only real thing that comes to mind about the leaf size is that a leaf is basically a solar panel for the plant to get energy if a plant is getting an abundance of light easy access to feed and water as in your system the plants won't need as large of a solar panel. Like I said no science or personal observations on that subject just my thoughts. You got me curious though. You did say his leaves were larger correct. If you find any data on this subject please share. I love knowin stuff. Great job on your first major op. a lot of people would not be able to pull this off. I have a close friend been growin small op for five years he still don't have a clue doesn't want to learn doesn't want any help. He is 100% satisfied with his mediocre grows.

 

[mittenmedgrow]

Ya what shady said that deff. sounds a lot better than what I was thinking. If you could easily explain how to get pics from my phone to here I promise I will put up some pics. My op aint major by anymeans ive gotten away from the aeroflo 120 and run a simple drain to waste in canna coco canna nutes. If your familiar with dynomites setup its kinda like that except I run 10 gallon smart pots and four plants per light 5-6weeks veg from day of cutting. I feed kinda like zoo does just a little heavier.14x14 room sentinel enviro controlled 4 1000 in vertizontal reflectors 3 600s hung verical that are only on untill plants fill in. nothing to fancy but it works produces well and I can manage it by myself.

 

[Shady]

Dude, I'm really looking forward to seeing your setup as I've been trying to dial-in my automated coco DTW setup... Granted mine is no where near as large as yours. BTW, be careful about posting any phone pics as they may carry location data in their file properties... Either way it sounds like you could easily afford a proper digital camera... :thinking

 

[Yodas Master]

Gotta agree with you on the light intensity and stretch issue related to temps... Here's a link I've posted in my journals and around the Farm regarding stretch control:



Maybe we can see some of your work sometime as I'm just a rookie and don't have anywhere near the experience that you have... Even so I disagree about there being a Phosphorus deficiency as red stems can also be a sign of other deficiencies such as Magnesium... :thinking


I believe higher humidity results in larger fan leaves similar to a tropical rain forest whereas desert plants reduce the surface area to reduce the transpiration through their stomata... Here's a quote from the VPD link I posted previously:



To answer your question about plants spending more time growing fan leaves vs blooming flowers... That really depends on the balance of nutrients and ambient environment... Also as the plants begin to fully flower, the fan leaves tend to reduce the width of their blades and number of blades on each leaf...

On a side note, since I'm a smart ass rookie, I will say that I did get a 5 on my AP Biology test a long time ago and have done several shady experiments in the last 2 yrs of growing to confirm or disprove my suspicions on several links and articles that I provide to others... Take my advice with a grain of salt and experiment for yourself to find your own truths. So far your girls are looking much better in any event... :itwasntme

Ahh my friend Shady...The vpd thread is what made me bring up the subject..Since i simply cannot experiment with humidity(hence i have none) I can experiment with your theories..
As you are just a smartass rookie;) , what would u like to see done here..
Im open to all options from any grower..
p.s. Shady and Bobby and my man Yayea have brought these babies to what they currently look like today so many thanks to you gentlemen!!!

p.s.s. I have multiple res,s so a side by side comparison is possible for any additive, pruning ideas, or any other crazy thing we can think of..
All though I would like a big yeild:cash,,,, im way more interested in being Mr.Greenthumb :character0050:

 

[mittenmedgrow]

Ya I have a camera just no computer right now. I make a little cash but I have a harcore addiction to lake michigan salmon fishing, 4 kids,4patients two of wich can't get enough bho. I don't know how to work the computer but my wife does. I thought about automating my watering but I grow several varietys at the same time and I need to feed and water them diff. I hand water diff plants everyday even plants of the same strain and the same table get water on diff. days. This is the only income my family has and my op is in my home I have time to do it just a pain in the ass. kinda miss the set it and forget it aerflo.

 

[Yodas Master]

Ya I have a camera just no computer right now. I make a little cash but I have a harcore addiction to lake michigan salmon fishing, 4 kids,4patients two of wich can't get enough bho. I don't know how to work the computer but my wife does. I thought about automating my watering but I grow several varietys at the same time and I need to feed and water them diff. I hand water diff plants everyday even plants of the same strain and the same table get water on diff. days. This is the only income my family has and my op is in my home I have time to do it just a pain in the ass. kinda miss the set it and forget it aerflo.

No computer..how are we speaking and you viewing my thread...:spacecraft:

 

[Shady]

Ahh my friend Shady...The vpd thread is what made me bring up the subject..Since i simply cannot experiment with humidity(hence i have none) I can experiment with your theories..
As you are just a smartass rookie;) , what would u like to see done here..
Im open to all options from any grower..
p.s. Shady and Bobby and my man Yayea have brought these babies to what they currently look like today so many thanks to you gentlemen!!!

p.s.s. I have multiple res,s so a side by side comparison is possible for any additive, pruning ideas, or any other crazy thing we can think of..
All though I would like a big yeild:cash,,,, im way more interested in being Mr.Greenthumb :character0050:

Well, let's try not to experiment too much and focus on just completing this first grow successfully... If anything, I'd like to see the CalMag at 200 PPM as I mentioned before... I'd also keep the total PPM's around 900 max at this early stage of bloom (1st two weeks). Aim for a target PPM of 1000 at week 3 and see how they look at that point. Most importantly, it seems as though you really need to assess your grow room and lack of sufficient humidity... Sounds like a proper humidifier is necessary. Do you have insulated walls? What about turning off the fresh air intake periodically to allow the humidity to build up? :wondering

P.S. I'm usually posting from my iPhone, except when I post picture updates to my journals... :cool

 

[Yodas Master]

:banditThe problem ive found with the humidity is that my 3 fuckin window unit airconditioners are actually made to keep30% humidity. Can u fuckin believe it. Thats the most comfortable level of humidity for HUMANS...
I just reviewed all the info on the a/c..how could i have missed that.
The reason the hygrometer was registering was because the fans were blowing right on the damn thing. Now it constantly measures between 25-35%.
First things first is get new a/c or no matter if i put in 50 humidifiers it will always stay the same.
They are humidity bandits....

Yes all walls are insulated..Bad design by me. The only thing i can do is run an 5or10 ton unit outside..and vent into the room..
Co2 and a fully enclosed room is probably best for this setup.
This is the real problem with this growroom. Other than that its pretty damn nifty. We really wont know until the final product but humidity is big problem for this type of environment..Figures
200ppm calmag achieved today..1100ppm fnb
all res temp 63-67F
ph5.7-5.9
ppm 1300-1315..7conversion
room temp 69
canopy temp77
humidity 24%

 

[UCtestn]

Dude, your plants are looking great! You're already doing better then the first round when you had to start over. Don't stress the little things and one or two leaves... Don't get me wrong, take note and read the plants, but don't go experimenting based on a couple leaves. I believe we are all under the assumption that you are using a single rez and hence all the ladies get fed the same. Can you confirm?

Aside from the direction Shady is giving you, I suggest you make sure your calibration is good on your meter. I use two meters and when one reads slightly different I calibrate both of them. I always double check my meter.

Also, someone mentioned it... take the glass off your reflectors. Keep the glass around in case you ever decide to air cool, but the glass acts like a heat radiator and a light blocker.

It seems all your new growth is nice and green and that your yellowing was not on the newer leaves. In my opinion this would confirm that your lights are not too close to the ladies.

I know I said not to stress the little things, but you will either see no more of the yellowing or it will spread. That yellowing is not due to your humidity, it is definitely a deficiency of some sort. because it is on the lower leaves and not on your new growth I also believe it is a magnesium deficiency. So keep an eye on them over the next couple days.

I'm excited, your grow looks GREAT!

 

[Yodas Master]

Dude, your plants are looking great! You're already doing better then the first round when you had to start over. Don't stress the little things and one or two leaves... Don't get me wrong, take note and read the plants, but don't go experimenting based on a couple leaves. I believe we are all under the assumption that you are using a single rez and hence all the ladies get fed the same. Can you confirm?

Aside from the direction Shady is giving you, I suggest you make sure your calibration is good on your meter. I use two meters and when one reads slightly different I calibrate both of them. I always double check my meter.

Also, someone mentioned it... take the glass off your reflectors. Keep the glass around in case you ever decide to air cool, but the glass acts like a heat radiator and a light blocker.

It seems all your new growth is nice and green and that your yellowing was not on the newer leaves. In my opinion this would confirm that your lights are not too close to the ladies.

I know I said not to stress the little things, but you will either see no more of the yellowing or it will spread. That yellowing is not due to your humidity, it is definitely a deficiency of some sort. because it is on the lower leaves and not on your new growth I also believe it is a magnesium deficiency. So keep an eye on them over the next couple days.

I'm excited, your grow looks GREAT!

Ok so i have currently 6 different 55gallon res.
Will remove glass immediately..was thinking it was important..:character0110:
I have upped calmag to 200ppm so im thinking that should help with the def.
Also raised the light 3inches-dont laugh
Not sweating the small stuff...priceless

 

[leadsled]

Good stuff mitten.
Shady got some good links.
Yoda, girls are looking good.

if you want to try and bring up the humidity, You could turn off a dehumidifier or two and just run em at night and see if that brings up the humidity.
when the lights are on, the ac will remove humidity.
2 dehueys + multiple ac's = low rh

 

[Yodas Master]

Good stuff mitten.
Shady got some good links.
Yoda, girls are looking good.

if you want to try and bring up the humidity, You could turn off a dehumidifier or two and just run em at night and see if that brings up the humidity.
when the lights are on, the ac will remove humidity.
2 dehueys + multiple ac's = low rh

I have ZERO dehumidifiers in my room. I have two HUMIDIFIERS..