6XL UnderCurrent 2k grow in 5x10 tent w/co2

[jimmyhoffa59]

Well I was having trouble with Powder mold for a minute there but now I have NONE which is great. Its set at the CAP 4 controller to maintain 1500 ppm total co2 (300 ambient) so 1200 ppms. I pretty much thought running your co2 all through the entire light cycle is for the 50-100% increase in yield and growth? I need article proof I am not doing this co2 right please..

 

[UCtestn]

Quick points from an amateur.

1.) Zone is designed to kill bacteria and used in hydro when you want to run a sterile res. Roots excel has no living organism's so it's ok to run with Zone. Great White on the other hand is pure bacteria and will get killed off with zone. You need to decide if you want bacteria in your rez or not. I prefer to run a sterile rez for now.

2.) I hope your air pump is outside your tent and the CO2 levels are not high wherever it is getting it's air from. You don't want to pump CO2 to the roots. Leaves want CO2 and Roots want O2.

Hope you find this useful

 

[jimmyhoffa59]

Nope pumps are outside the tent, chiller outside the tent as well. I heard the debate before I setup about the airpump putting the co2 into the water, not me. My co2 setup wont put out more than 1500ppm TOTAL (including 300 ambient) of gas. So it shuts off at around 1250ppm. I only crown feed with the great white so I think I will run some zone anyways, or like I said do a full flush now, run the zone then start back up with the Great White. Now that all the roots are into the water I will also drop my water levels down to right below bottom of baskets.

 

[thecatica]

Hi jimmyhoffa, just noticed you ran some of the Black and purps, just ordered some of the Black and was just curious was to what you thought of it, and is it a heavy feeder?
Thanks :)

 

[jimmyhoffa59]

Hi jimmyhoffa, just noticed you ran some of the Black and purps, just ordered some of the Black and was just curious was to what you thought of it, and is it a heavy feeder?
Thanks :)

THE BLACK: (based off my two grows with it) Not a heavy feeder, I had about 60% males in my seed pack. Very prone to powder mold if you do not keep your humidity low enough. Responded VERY well to stress, it likes to be topped, twisted branches pinched and snapped and fucked with. The few that I messed with the most produced the largest donkey dicks. They like mild nutes and at minimum a 2 week flush at the end of 8.5-9 weeks. DO NOT however groom it too much by removing foliage. Pull dead leaves and lower stuff but focus on your training of bending, supercropping and stuff.

Decent narcotic stone, but not super strong. During your last two weeks of flushing with RO water only, drop your temps down in the low low 60's to bring out all the solid black leaves, and then the last couple days before chop drop it even down into the high 50's. Plant likes heat during VEG though. Now rock that plant and show us the journal. :banana1sv6:

 

[jimmyhoffa59]

New years update

Update and Happy New Years ladies and gents.

Not really happy with the grow so far, they are just not as healthy as they should be.

Alright so I am at 2.5 weeks of Veg. Two of my plants are growing really fast and bushy as hell. I have some problems, since I have put them in the system I have never actually seen my ppms go down from them feeding. Roots are OKAY on a few and just not really exploding on others.
1: In some pictures you can see the leaves of some have like patchy light coloring, like not all the way yellow but patches of lighter green

2: My roots look stained from the nutes..no nasty smells and my temps and environment are in check. I flushed my system today and drop my water levels to the bottom of the baskets. I am running some zone, cal-mag, and like 1/4 strength A&B. Nothing else right now.

3: Plants leaf tips are curled down on some, have to see if that changes with the flush.

4: My 20lb co2 tank is empty is just about a week, sucks balls.

So I do not understand why my plants are not all exploding, and why they do not seem to be feeding. New growth looks good on all of them so I dunno, still learning here. Any inputs would be much appreciated..IF YOU KNOW WHAT your talking about that is. No comments from the peanut gallery please. Here are the pictures of all that is going on..


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Granddaddy Purple I plugged in since one of these others were just not growing at all.

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[crossouttheiis]

The tip burn look like a cal-mg def... As well as the discoloration in your leaves. Looks identical to what happened to my last plants in veg. If you don't notice a change with the cal-mg product you are using bump up application rate. What are your ppm at I coudnt tell you why they aren't feeding, quarter stremgth is pretty low.....see what they do in a day after the flush sometimes that's all they need

 

[HannaMan]

root rot :(

 

[St3ve]

What are you seeing thats telling you that they're not feeding?

A few of those pics show stress for sure but its hard to say. How high are those 1k's above? The over all coloring looks a little light stressed. If not, then a little nitrogen deficient possibly.

Also as a safety precaution, I would pluck one of those leaves that are curling down and inspect the underside with a microscope or magnifier to make sure you don't have any eggs or critters under there. Some of that leaf stress looks of aphids to me.

Just tryin to help bro, good luck.

 

[BudGoggles]

Do you have any gnats flying around? If so Steve may be right root aphids. I think I may have the little fucker not 100% yet tho. Take each plant out one at a time and gently wash the roots in a 5 gal bucket of tap water to wash that brown shit off the roots.
Also drop that water level 1" below the netpot.
I have been having funny shit going on just like yours and the above method will help them bounce back in a couple days. If I have the fucking bugs Ill let you know right away and thats the problem then.
Good luck
BG

 

[Max Powers]

speaking from my own UC experience, I would try a couple things. I had some leaves that looked very similar early in veg and fixed it with more magi-cal. Had been running about 3mil per gallon from the top off rez, added an extra 50 mils a day for a couple days right into the epicenter and all good. I think the hyper metabolism the UC stimulates creates an environment where the plants really need the cal mag to be strong enough to take advantage. Also looks like the lights might be a little low (not the main cause, but could be exacerbating problem)

 

[jimmyhoffa59]

The tip burn look like a cal-mg def... As well as the discoloration in your leaves. Looks identical to what happened to my last plants in veg. If you don't notice a change with the cal-mg product you are using bump up application rate. What are your ppm at I coudnt tell you why they aren't feeding, quarter stremgth is pretty low.....see what they do in a day after the flush sometimes that's all they need

Well I will watch it for a bit and then add more of the cal mag a little at a time, I am also running zone now so maybe that helps too.

root rot :(

Lets hope not, it just looks like accumulation of crap from when I had my ppms up to like 700, flushed and running zone now.

What are you seeing thats telling you that they're not feeding?
I am never seeing my ppms move, and my plants look deficient in most ways..:worried
A few of those pics show stress for sure but its hard to say. How high are those 1k's above? The over all coloring looks a little light stressed. If not, then a little nitrogen deficient possibly.

Also as a safety precaution, I would pluck one of those leaves that are curling down and inspect the underside with a microscope or magnifier to make sure you don't have any eggs or critters under there. Some of that leaf stress looks of aphids to me.

Just tryin to help bro, good luck.

lights are about 3 feet up right now and have been. Damn I really hope I do not have bug issues, I will pluck and inspect a leaf. Will do and let you know. I do have some azomol or whatever its called.

Do you have any gnats flying around? If so Steve may be right root aphids. I think I may have the little fucker not 100% yet tho. Take each plant out one at a time and gently wash the roots in a 5 gal bucket of tap water to wash that brown shit off the roots.
Also drop that water level 1" below the netpot.
I have been having funny shit going on just like yours and the above method will help them bounce back in a couple days. If I have the fucking bugs Ill let you know right away and thats the problem then.
Good luck
BG

Nothing flying around, I will do the root washing, hopefully its just crap accumulated I guess I will find out huh? Drop the water... alright.. THANKS GUYS!:fighting0087::fighting0087::fighting0087::handshake

 

[Baddog]

Happened to me when i added silica it seemed to leave brown deposits on my roots. I washed off and it seemed to work ok! I used water the same temp as my res though as to not shock them to bad!

 

[Bobby Smith]

I haven't run DWC in a couple of years (so I'm not sure if I'm qualified to answer or not), but I'll be damned if that's not rot.

First couple of pics made it look probable for rot, and then pic #12 confirmed it (for me).

I'd start chucking H2O2 up in that biatch; whatever it is and whatever you do, good luck bro.

 

[jimmyhoffa59]

Happened to me when i added silica it seemed to leave brown deposits on my roots. I washed off and it seemed to work ok! I used water the same temp as my res though as to not shock them to bad!

I will try washing it off

I haven't run DWC in a couple of years (so I'm not sure if I'm qualified to answer or not), but I'll be damned if that's not rot.

First couple of pics made it look probable for rot, and then pic #12 confirmed it (for me).

I'd start chucking H2O2 up in that biatch; whatever it is and whatever you do, good luck bro.

I will take them out and wash them in a five gallon with some H2O2 but how should I mix it? I am going to be really fighting the idea of rot, my damn temps are like 65 with my chiller, ph is always stable it just cant be..lol they are not slimy. UGH I have NOTHING else to throw in these pots if it is rot anyways so I have to ride it out. Running the zone now should help and if the stuff washes off I might be okay. FUCK!!!

 

[jimmyhoffa59]

So I took each plant out, rinsed off the roots and they are all pearly white now, then I dipped them in a 5 gallon bucket and swished them around with a bit of hydrogen peroxide and put them back in the system which I added a bit of h2o2 to that as well. So far so good. The dark just rinsed right off like it was just an accumulation of nutes.. so I dunno.

 

[Aligee]

...dam good luck on that issue bro zone should help indeed ive seen white healthy roots using it !!!

 

[Bobby Smith]

On start of week 2 I bumped my ppms up like 580 like a dumb fuck and fried them so I did like a 60% flush and dropped them back down to 280. I only did this because there was some yellowing and figured they were hungry. Oh well.

Seems like this probably did it, bro - the one constant I can find of all the people who've gotten rot and yet had temps/sterility/O2 in check (aka, a "perfect" environment) is that they all seemed to have fried their plants with too much nutes (then subsequently flushed, but it seems the damage was done) - that weakens the plants and lets rot take hold even in an otherwise "perfect" environment.

Just my little hypothesis based on the grows I've seen where "unexplained" rot took hold.

Again, best of luck with that, sounds like you're making progress.

 

[mrdizzle]

thats either rot or algae, but way bumping your ppms to 580 did not cause it. If the plants arent wilting than its algae, which is coming straight from the water itself, and or from light leaks.

then the other theory is its just want happens in RDWC sometimes. everything can be perfect but you still get rot

good luck bro try hydrofungicide and physan, H202 at a safe dose for your plants will have almost no effect on this

 

[jimmyhoffa59]

Whatever it was almost all of it rinsed off and the roots are bright white now.. I think it was just accumulation of nutrients. Dunno why, there were a few small light leaks in the buckets too so I think it was a combo of them both. Either way I will run some physon 20 still and I think I might be okay.