Just purchased 2 Blackstar 600w LED grow lights

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ok here it goes there are a few factors to understand about led lighting. what they draw in wattage should really be the last thing you look at. #1 hid lighting is always advertised in wattage draw because they are selling you an efficient form of light. only 10 % usable lumens. so when your 400 watt hid is no longer doing it for you you go to your local light store and the guy says i got this nice 1000 watt set up for you that will work nicely. first and foremost IN MY PERSONAL OPINION BASED ON FACTUAL VISUAL EVIDENCE OF MY OWN, wattage draw helps but only to determine the benefits from a combination of intensity, coverage area, and MOST IMPORTANT USEABLE SPECTRUMS. so when you are shopping for lights if you are looking at just wattage draw stick with hps because that is all that matters in hps lighting because they are ALMOST ALL CREATED EQUALLY. some will argue by some brands being much better than others but hey if you got a 45000 lumen 400 watt cheap brand with only 4000 usable lumens and i sell you a hortilux for 2 or 3 times the price and in paper you will only see a 10-15 % increase in USABLE lumens, was is it worth the extra price for say 4600 usable lumens instead of 4000.? of course it is to the clueless who use them. but unfortunately in led lighting NO ONE BRAND IS CREATED EQUALLY OR EVEN CLOSE. #2 not only are there different brands but different power modules driving them, some more efficient than others, different chips with sometimes specific ranges of wavelengths and even wired differently from one another, some are wired in series, some are wired in parallel, and some in combination of both. NEVER MEASURE AN LED BY WATTAGE DRAW i can hand make you a panel that draws 1000 watts but if i use 1 watt chips you will lack intensity and penetrating power. also if i use the wrong wavelengths you now have 1000 watts of annoying party lights and not growing lights. wattage in led lighting is ONLY good for determining how much money you are going to use or save. #3 when it comes to the chipsets a 3watt led has the ability to draw 3 watts but hardly ever does and YOU DONT WANT IT TO because peaking power draw shortens led life. look at 1 watt led panels if you count the leds you will discover that they will only draw 50-80% of the 1 watt/led. so rule of thumb the higher wattage capable leds will always be brighter than low wattage leds. #4 because of the different ways to wire the circuitry you can have 2 panels each with the same number and same brand of leds each using the exact same power module but have different power draws. in my personal experience i have seen side by side 2 watt led panels in which a lower wattage drawing unit was visually brighter than the higher wattage drawing unit. so please do your research before buying an led light. also never go by someone selling you a unit by par value once again what good is a par value of a million if your spectrums are wrong
 
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on a final note in led wattage will not relate to yield. and unlike most led supplier claims led lights WILL NOT cover a huge footprint so 2 things to factor in, the much higher startup cost for equipment and when you factor footprint coverage of led vs. hps you actually DO NOT SAVE THAT HUGE AMOUNT that vendors claim. so why do i go with led? the end result speaks for itself. MUCH PRETTIER FLOWERS and harvest ready about 10 days earlier than usual.
 
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yeah thanks recreationaluse. thats interesting on the series vs. parallel wiring.
 
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I've got the black star 240 also its great only had awesome results if I had the money my 600 watt hps would be replaced by 3-4 more black stars soon actually it will be. the results ive gotten with my ograskals is sick good luck and you will love them
 
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Looks like its pretty intense light. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at your results. I use an Advanced LED 360 watt extreme flower and love it. keep us posted man. heat is the enemy and these lights will truely help with that problem
 
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bmf725

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I moved the sage n sour and the 3 pure kush that made it in to the stinkbud jr under the blackstar. Then I will be moving the 6 arjans haze #3's and 6 lemon skunks into the veg system and give them some light nutes at like 400-500 ppm. I think a few of the seedlings are showing signs of cal/mag deficiency. I wanted to wait to give them nutes as long as possible because last time I gave nutes too early and burned/stuned the shit out of them. Anyway here are some pics. enjoy.
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Cool :cool0044:
I notice some other led growers complain about deficiencies. Is that because of the light or just coincidence
 
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bmf725

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Cool :cool0044:
I notice some other led growers complain about deficiencies. Is that because of the light or just coincidence

probably just coincidence since most led growers are probably new to the game. The seedlings with the def are actually under 4 T8 florescents.
 
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bmf725

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Ok so its been a while since I updated this. The plants are now 17 days in flower but the pics were taken at day 14. I have since added a light rail and I can already see a huge improvement in light foot print.

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My pereptual room set up Flower room on left/ Veg and clone room on right
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And 6 DNA lemon skunk and 6 arjan's haze #3's about another week and these will be going in to flower. they have exploded since this pic was taken about 3 days ago.
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BUDZ!!
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bmf725

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Update

Ok I finished my second stinkbud jr system today and droped in 6 lemon skunk's. The sage n sour and 3 pure kush are now 3 weeks in to flower. Take a gander.

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My camera inst the greatest and im no photographer but there is resin starting to form on the leaves around all the bud sites!!
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basement botany

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Looking to go led in the future and was interested in this brand because of price and Watt per bulb. So far so good it looks like looking forward to future updates.
 
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bmf725

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I will update again this afternoon the buds are filling in nicely they are on day 28 so 4 weeks in flower. They are about a week behind in development because my room wasent light proof in the start. I just ordered 2 more 600 watt blackstars and another light rail so we will see what these girls can do under about 1200 actual watts of led on a light rail.
 
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basement botany

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You might want to look into low stress training. Move that fencing close to the top of your frame and gently bend the tops over so they lay flat or semi flat. What ever you can manage without breaking it. Use small zip ties or twist ties to hold them in place. You will be able to control their height better and expose more bud sites to direct light. However this far along in flowering you may want to wait till the next run. By doing this you will also be able to support the tops of the plants better they will colapse under their own weight when fat collas form. In veg mode I sometimes even snap them over and tie them to the cage. A knot will form at the break and she will do just fine. LST is less scary though no snapping just tieing down.
 
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bmf725

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You might want to look into low stress training. Move that fencing close to the top of your frame and gently bend the tops over so they lay flat or semi flat. What ever you can manage without breaking it. Use small zip ties or twist ties to hold them in place. You will be able to control their height better and expose more bud sites to direct light. However this far along in flowering you may want to wait till the next run. By doing this you will also be able to support the tops of the plants better they will colapse under their own weight when fat collas form. In veg mode I sometimes even snap them over and tie them to the cage. A knot will form at the break and she will do just fine. LST is less scary though no snapping just tieing down.

I am going to wait unitil next run to modify my technique this is pretty much a test batch. I have 3 pure kushs and 1 sage n sour. most of what you see in the pics IE th large lenky tops are the sage n sour this thing just got way way way to big.
 
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basement botany

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Ah man thought you were going to post some pics. Bummed... was looking forward to some bud porn. Tease.
 
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