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Just like I said...the insults and hateful remarks are AGAIN right behind. Who here has changed their mind since this thread started???
I might vote for Clinton or even Bush Sr. So today I am neither liberal or conservative but one thing I do know is if we don't stop spending money we don't have China is going to own (already does) own us.

I do wish prime was at about 6%.

You are making the assumption that if we stop spending money, our economy will rebound to a level it's not seen since Clinton such that it would have a trajectory which would "right" us from the trajectory of being in servitude to China which we are currently in.

That is what you're not accounting for, even though you say it in your statement. (They already do own us). This isn't exactly true, but the conditions are such that without a big change it will be true (somewhere in 2050 according to Hans Rosling). This is accepted by every red blooded american economist known. It is damage already done.

You claim we should not spend more money because it will doom us to that fate. In truth, spending no money is more akin to accepting our fate--just at a later date. Our only chance to get out of the hole is to innovate, its the only place we have a chance of competing with China.

Big business would have you believe that innovations cost big bucks that can only come from money gained through tax breaks.

The reality couldn't be further from the truth. Innovations come from exceptionally smart, creative, or lucky people. Either individuals or small-to-medium sized groups of them. The do not come from corporate investment, and even if they did investing in them is in the company's best interest--taxes or not.

Because of how big businesses run in general, we are in a fiscal snafu--and now and the midst of it they want to convince you, via conservatives, that the best place to put our money is inside of big businesses, or "job creation" factories, as they would have you believe.

Let me paint a quick picture for you. 50 years from now, China--due to its superior education--has out innovated us, a country already up to its eyeballs in debt to them. What recourse do we have now. Do you think big business can get us out of that mess?

They can't. Smart people can, again.

Our greatest commodity is our intelligence. Our success as a nation is generally accepted to be owed to the fact that we were the first nation to bring education to the masses. We had a more intelligent and informed public and they were ahead of their international counterparts.

Please take me seriously when I warn you that this is no longer the case. We are now in many cases very far behind our international competition in terms of scientific competence, critical thinking, and even language comprehension.

It's deplorable.

It's as simple as the following:

1. We are on a path to being owned by China.

2. Action is the only way off that path.

3. The action it requires will, with a high degree of certainty, come at a substantial monetary cost.


If you accept 1 and 2, as most of the Western world does--number 3 follows as an absolute precondition to giving a shit about stopping number 1.

If you don't want that to happen, we need to spend money. Sitting and waiting for the inevitable is the only option left.

The scary part is this is not a fringe theory. Every respected economist in the world will tell you this. Common sense will tell you this.

Conservatives do not have an answer for this argument that makes sense--unless you believe that businesses run and operated by inferior workforces 40 years from now will be able to outcompete a country which is predicted by every human with the expertise to predict such things to be well above our productivity level by that time.

It's just not a tenable situation.

The way conservatives hoodwink people into this idea is that from a personal standpoint it makes a lot of sense. Don't spend what you don't have. That is a pearl of wisdom for an individual--it works in practice, and all of us smart folk know that its a great way to live without financial worry.

For a country, in a constantly changing and competitive world with one of the SLOWEST moving governments known to man it is not possible to just "save up" a bunch of money and pay off debts. By the time we do that, we'll be iceland.

We need to invent the next fire, the next car, the next train, airplane.

Short of that we are fucked.

For that we need a bunch more potential albert einsteins, and Fords, and wright brothers--a lot of the easy stuff has been figured out already so its going to take some real geniuses to find all of the somethings we'll need to turn our economy around.

Right now we're shelling out a couple million graduates a year now and they are, for the most part, receiving sub par education with less funding than their international competition--and they are being asked to foot the bill to the tune of 100K +.

It's not gonna work dude. They are going to wipe the floor with us if we don't re prioritize. Most of our competition is getting twice the education we do, about 200% more specialization within a field than we get, tons more hands on experience, and they are in many many many cases getting this for free.

If a company is failing, do you stop changing things and just save up your money? Hell to the no. You get in there and put some elbow grease into the thing and you probably spend all the money you have in a last ditch effort. That's how companies work.

The kicker: Mitt Romney knows this, it is EXACTLY what he did at Bain Capital. No difference whatsoever.

America is a helluva lot more like a company than your personal wallet. Don't let conservative idiocy blind you to that. The answer to the question of how to fix an economy is not save a bunch of money and give it to businesses that will be obsolete within half a century without further action from the government.

Here's the thing. I really hate that catch phrase "I did build that." or whatever, that's going around.

No.

The fuck.

You didn't.

The American government has been the keeper of the sovereignty of this nation since its inception. It won our freedom all those years ago and it protects it now. It has laid the foundation in terms of education, health, justice--without which NONE OF WHAT ANYONE ALIVE HAS BUILT would be possible.

We owe it to generations before us--who have themselves been keepers of the government--and to our own dignity to take notice of that--and to ensure that our country's government is not only strong, but well funded.

If we lose our education, the cycle falls back in on itself as stupid people make their way to D.C.--we are already starting to see this happen.

Will we fix it?

I think no, but we damn well should try.
 
You amuse me squig. And you have convinced me to vote for Romney. The United States Government is one of the most inefficient, wasteful originations that I have ever had the displeasure of working for!!! Catch phrase I didn't build that? The government did that. WHAT AN INSULT.
Son have you ever ran a company??? I have for the last 40 years. Explain to me why our company was #1 in net profit and costumer satisfaction for most of those years. The government did that?? No I did that. Worked my fucking ass off. The govt did nothing but throw more rules and regulations at us that made it harder and harder to operate. You may be a genius but unless you have actually done it...don't preach to those who have.

I agree with you on one thing, we are fucked! I unlike you understand what it means when the check book balance is $00000. I hope you don't have or plan to have children because your ideas and philosophies are going to lead to a bleak future for them.
 
Son have you ever ran a company??? I have for the last 40 years. Explain to me why our company was #1 in net profit and costumer satisfaction for most of those years. The government did that?? No I did that. Worked my fucking ass off. The govt did nothing but throw more rules and regulations at us that made it harder and harder to operate. You may be a genius but unless you have actually done it...don't preach to those who have.

So what you're saying is that without telephones, electricity, running water, roads, educated public, your own education, health services, and most scientific advances; you would be doing perfectly fine in your business?

I don't care WHO you vote for. That is crazy talk.

As much as the government should let the people be the people--the people need to accept that the government has afforded them many things they would not be able to live the lifstyle the do today without.

Do you like this website, or the internet at all?

Came from the government. The hypocrisy is so tangible that I can almost feel it.

I am categorically in no way saying that business owners do not build their businesses from the ground up, or that without them this country would be fine. I'm also not saying that sometimes the government doesn't make owning a business more difficult. It's clear that it does.

The work is hard, and I flat out respect you for running a business for 40 years. The taxes you pay for running that business make the world go round, and I couldn't be more appreciative of what that takes.

HOWEVER
This concept of the world where you can open a business and get yourself ahead in life just DOESNT EXIST without the government. It's so sad that you think it best to turn your back on all of the contributions previous generations have made to this country's wallet such that you and your ilk might be afforded the opportunity to one day become successful, by deciding that you'd rather have your dollars go into the coffers than be reinvested into the next generation.

Either way dude, while I'm replying to you--I don't expect you to take me seriously. You've made it pretty obvious that you lean conservative according to what you've said. Of course you and I aren't going to agree.

It doesn't mean that we can't appreciate each others viewpoints though.

You're worried about different things than me. You believe we can just stop spending money and that fixes it.

I believe quite the opposite. That we're fucked already, and fixing that--like fixing anything--is going to cost us a little bit.

Because you've owned a business for 40 years I can surmise that you haven't the foggiest idea what's REALLY going on in the classroom these days. I'll tell you: we're pumping out at break-neck speed some of the most mediocre students this country has ever produced, and we're doing it at a time when human knowledge is at its all time peak.

It might not be obvious to you, but we are absolutely getting crushed by our opposition in this respect--and for as valuable a person you are as a business owner, and the kind of intelligence doing something like that successfully takes--people like you who would see this country save its money create a situation where far fewer people are being shaped in this country in an image that resembles yourself.
That really is the point. Your generation has been afforded many things during its time that you would see taken away from the youngest generations in the country now--all so that you can avoid probably the mildest austerity measures a country would've ever seen (especially one in fiscal crisis).

It's not you specifically--but you are from a selfish and misguided generation who has been given THE MOST AMAZING advantages and opportunities of any human generations ever to walk this planet and now when it's time to ensure the same for those who are next up--you want to shut off the flow of money because of some fiscal principle (saving money as a country) which isn't grounded in any sound financial/economic theory.

What's the saying? It takes money to make money. Right now our country needs to make, not save, money. At the rate we are currently producing/making money, it would take over 100 years to pay our debt--even if we imposed severe austerity measures. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT LONG.
Everyone agrees on that in the entire world, except you and the GOP. American exceptionalism isn't going to get us out of this mess. Innovation an ultimately money are--and not the kind you save. The kind you make, the kind it costs lots of investments to make.

Is the government inefficient? SHIT YES. So why not make THAT the issue, rather than whether or not we need government.

Yes we fucking need government.

The following is something very near and dear to me in terms of beliefs:

I categorically reject and refuse to accept that as Americans we should resolve ourselves to believing that those in government positions will not make the right decisions, and that such people are not capable of making efficient decisions and choices.

I deny with every ounce of my being the suggestion that it is not within our power to make efficiency an issue and put it on the political table. If we accept that our government sucks, as many do, then it will always suck and we were doomed the second a majority of voters felt that way.

We must require of our government that they become more efficient--rather than bicker about abortion and gay rights (instead opting to treat every citizen equally as if he/she is an it without a penis or vagina--all references to gender differences should be removed from legislation, ALL).

I absolutely reject this argument, to me it seems like this.

I made a bad recipe for chicken soup, therefore all chicken soup sucks dick from now until eternity.

No, you got the recipe wrong--chicken soup is fuckin' amazing. You're just doing it wrong.

I do not believe that every American government from now till infinity will be inefficient.

If you believe that, I don't even know why you open your mouth to say a single word about politics. You might as well become a nihilist--because the battle is already lost.

A country without an effective government cannot compete in today's international market--and our country is incapable of being self-sufficient under our current infrastructure.

If China wants to do something with trade that will give it an edge. There is a small group of guys who will hear all of the expert opinions from the best and brightest of their country--and they will make a decision on the matter and implement it either that day or the next.

Our government cannot compete with something which evolves so quickly. If things do not change, we certainly ARE doomed--but people who believe as you do have accepted that fate already for future generations, whether they are aware of it or not (most of them aren't).

Literally all its going to take is for the dollar to lose its status as the world reserve currency. If we do not spend an ass ton of money in the right places then the question of that happening is a when rather than an if.

If that happens, everything we all take for granted will be gone overnight.
 
Sorry, I did take time to read it. You have a lot of good ideas, many of which I don't agree with but I respect your stance on the issues. I would love to debate GOVERNMENT vs. the PRIVATE SECTOR as long as it is kept respectable. I will not however debate politics or religion on a key board. No body ever wins. If I have disrespected you in any way I apologize.
 
Everyone should first read this.

Now that you've seen the lunacy from a bird's eye view & had a chuckle, read this.

The short summary is that there are a lot of people in the middle, independents, who are tired of the corruption and failings of both parties. We see contempt for honest dealings and for the individual, and especially for liberty. Both parties spend out of control, and have mortgaged our future. Both sides have grown government and infringed our rights. And they both lie to us and tell us that they want to help us, when really they work for their own interests and that of the .01%. They refuse to acknowledge and support our legitimate issues and both work to whittle away our rights. From OWS to the Tea Party to the Paulbots, we all share one thing: we are tired of the status quo and the disrespect. The two party systems can lock us out, but we have grown ... big enough to decide elections.

So now I will paraphrase and take some liberty with a sentence from this article: To my liberty-loving friends, our responsibility in November is to put the GOP and DNC on notice that the Independent, post-partisan middle is now liberty-dominated and large enough to turn elections. Ignore us at your own peril.

Vote 3rd party and make a statement: From now one, the one party that doesn't make concessions to us will lose.
 
Like a for real promise: If Romney gets all crazy with MJ policy I will be here laughing my ass of in every single thread about it and wishing indictments as their just deserves on any grower who voted for him.

:mad:
This is probably the most turd-faced comment I've ever seen here. And you even put it in bold. You're going to wish indictments on other growers if Romney wins?

Really?

What about the people being indicted now? What do have for them? An "At least it's a Democrat putting you in prison and not a fascist Republican?" Or just a "sucks to be you"?

I at least had a LITTLE respect for you before I read this.
 
:mad:
This is probably the most turd-faced comment I've ever seen here. And you even put it in bold. You're going to wish indictments on other growers if Romney wins?

Really?

What about the people being indicted now? What do have for them? An "At least it's a Democrat putting you in prison and not a fascist Republican?" Or just a "sucks to be you"?

I at least had a LITTLE respect for you before I read this.

I'm not here for respect.

If they were the only ones in trouble if Romney gets elected, then I wouldn't wish anything on them--however, unfortunately their vote doesn't only involve them. Everyone else has to deal with the increased crackdown which will surely come with a Romney presidency.

So yes I certainly do preferentially wish for those who cause the problem to be the recipient of its consequences--and I will definitely laugh in their face. If you sign your own ticket, what the hell am I supposed to do? Comfort you for being misled?

No, you're a grown up--grown ups get what they deserve. When you don't pay enough attention to see something so obvious coming for you, you invite only not what's coming to you but ridicule as well.

I'll be there to supply it.

Respect be damned.

The people going to jail now broke state laws--at least that is what they are accused of. The DEA has targeted people who are operating outside of medical capacity and outside of accordance with their own states law. You'd be a fool to think such businesses don't exist just as much as the government was a fool to think making MJ illegal would stop people in the first place (especially after having learned the lesson the hard way with booze at essentially the same time).

The bigger an operation becomes the more likely someone without a medical card is to end up with pot from them--all it takes is one to make it federally actionable according to the DEA's current policy.

Do I think its right?

Hell no, but it is the law--and it is in accordance with what was said would happen under the circumstances. I'm far more concerned with what Romney has said will happen. I believe he will certainly follow through.
 
Darth,I can no longer see his posts but i can guess its 1 1/2 pages of ranting,he can never be wrong or learn anything,its his way or the highway,he is superior to the rest of us in every way.If he had his way he would exterminate everyone who doesnt agree with him,he is divisive and loves to sew dissension.Sometimes i think that he may be law enforcement as they love to cause problems on boards like this as they go about their business or maybe some kid who still lives in his mom and dads house in the bedroom he grew up in and makes up a fantasy land on the internet to play in while his mommy and daddy foot the bills,if he is what he claims to be,Genius,violin virtuoso who turned down first seat at the philharmonic,black belt,democratic political expert,all around superman know it all etc etc etc then watch for him at your local movie theatre or school because hes gonna snap when he realizes not many of us give a shit what he thinks.
 
God damn it squiggly you are just asking for it with your rants. You say no business would be there without the government. hmmm Yes they do provide heat, water, electricity exc...THATS WHY WE PAY TAXES. The problem here is "Taxaton Without Representation" thats why we fought the revolutionary war in the first place. Accountability, if you tax me I want to know where it goes and have some say in the process.
Our government in it's present state just takes money from us wastes most of it and wants more.

I am not saying to stop spending, I am saying stop the waste. Their accountants can't tell us where the money went. Really??? Running this country is no different than running a business except with more zeros. If you cant keep track of your expenditures I promise bankruptcy is coming. The only difference is...If as a business man if I go broke I am out on the street, if the govt goes broke they raise takes and print more money.

Fishwhistle is right, both sides are at fault. And now all they do is argue among themselves therefore nothing gets done. Oh, they still get paid. I got paid on what I produced not by mentally masturbating with a bunch of other empty suits. If you live in Washington I don't trust you. The very word means corruption to me.
 
Intense professional counseling and heavy pharma medication.

Or there is always the option of surgical castration.
 
Chomsky on control:
Democratic societies can't [....] control behavior by force. It can to some extent, but it's much more limited in its capacity to control by force. Therefore, it has to control what you think. And again, democratic theorists have understood this for 50 or 60 years and have been very articulate about it. If the voice of the people is heard, you'd better control what that voice says, meaning you have to control what they think. The method Otero mentions there is one of the major methods. One of the ways you control what people think is by creating the illusion that there's a debate going on, but making sure that that debate stays within very narrow margins. Namely, you have to make sure that both sides in the debate accept certain assumptions, and those assumptions turn out to be the propaganda system. As long as everyone accepts the propaganda system, then you can have a debate.

This thread makes me laugh
Edit to add: Source
 
God damn it squiggly you are just asking for it with your rants. You say no business would be there without the government. hmmm Yes they do provide heat, water, electricity exc...THATS WHY WE PAY TAXES. The problem here is "Taxaton Without Representation" thats why we fought the revolutionary war in the first place. Accountability, if you tax me I want to know where it goes and have some say in the process.
Our government in it's present state just takes money from us wastes most of it and wants more.

I am not saying to stop spending, I am saying stop the waste. Their accountants can't tell us where the money went. Really??? Running this country is no different than running a business except with more zeros. If you cant keep track of your expenditures I promise bankruptcy is coming. The only difference is...If as a business man if I go broke I am out on the street, if the govt goes broke they raise takes and print more money.

Fishwhistle is right, both sides are at fault. And now all they do is argue among themselves therefore nothing gets done. Oh, they still get paid. I got paid on what I produced not by mentally masturbating with a bunch of other empty suits. If you live in Washington I don't trust you. The very word means corruption to me.
Bravo putembk! It is easy to see you work with more than half A brain cell, Unlike some people that are destined to be on their knees in front of some Dem. or Rep's Zipper gobbling it up! Only someone who "Has Built That" could realize the obvious. The money is ours, politicians work for "Us" The infastructure was built by tax payer money, not the money of the politicians that work for "Us" Period. Anybody with the most basic of an education should be aware of this. I guess some people have found it much easier to complain and stand there stomping their feet with their hand out.

P.S. squiggs was on the other side when you "Climbed the Highest Mountain" (thought it was raining...)
 
God damn it squiggly you are just asking for it with your rants. You say no business would be there without the government. hmmm Yes they do provide heat, water, electricity exc...THATS WHY WE PAY TAXES. The problem here is "Taxaton Without Representation" thats why we fought the revolutionary war in the first place. Accountability, if you tax me I want to know where it goes and have some say in the process.
Our government in it's present state just takes money from us wastes most of it and wants more.

I am not saying to stop spending, I am saying stop the waste. Their accountants can't tell us where the money went. Really??? Running this country is no different than running a business except with more zeros. If you cant keep track of your expenditures I promise bankruptcy is coming. The only difference is...If as a business man if I go broke I am out on the street, if the govt goes broke they raise takes and print more money.

Fishwhistle is right, both sides are at fault. And now all they do is argue among themselves therefore nothing gets done. Oh, they still get paid. I got paid on what I produced not by mentally masturbating with a bunch of other empty suits. If you live in Washington I don't trust you. The very word means corruption to me.

And now we come to the reason I debate. When someone, such as yourself, takes it to the end without letting it boil over--we find out that we actually agree on a lot of things.

I agree that we should stop the waste. Unfortunately that isn't what the discourse has been about in Washington. Not now, and not for the last 4 years.

For the last 4 years, one side has proposed essentially legislation which is symbolic (because they know it will not pass, so they are trying to show trends and where the part lines falls symbolically)--while the other side has been solely about seeing that Obama isn't re-elected.

There's only been anecdotal suggestions as far as what waste there even is, forget trying to discuss what solutions there might be.

That's the problem, no one is discussing solutions. I side with the left in this battle currently because I believe they have shown far more willingness to bend and goodwill in general during the process. For republicans it really has been a one note song, we want a re-do on the last presidential election--and we'll obstruct any legislation till that chance comes 4 years later.

To me that is just such a childish tactic, that no matter what the policy implications are--that is political behavior in this country which must be avoided at all costs. It is unacceptable, and it will destroy this country. It is coming close. We imust not reward this practice as a country.

A message must be sent that it will not be tolerated, from ANYONE. If this behavior were coming from dems then I would say the same thing no matter how it might pain me.

In the past 4 years we have seen a smear campaign, obstructionist tactics, and the closest thing to propaganda in this country since reefer madness--and it has been a policy which has been wildly successful within the GOP base.

People who are disillusioned with the way politics are headed must act to put a stop to this childish nonsense. There are many conservatives who agree with this and will be voting for Obama. Hard line fiscal conservatives who know that the budget doesn't matter if our soul as a country is gone.

This is the last time I'll ever do this, but here is a link from Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

Please keep in mind while reading this that Paul Ryan is the intellectual soul of the GOP party right now. He is the guy who KNOWS THE FACTS. He is not a stupid man, he is not mistaken. His deceit is intentional, and it is directed.

His intention is to rile up people about a bunch of bullshit to hide the real issues, because he knows that discussing those in open forum will make him seem insane (because his fiscal ideas, as most conservative ideas, do not hold water for a country our size). If he told the truth he would become unpopular to many people whose votes he needs to win the election.

Do you really want to vote for someone who knowingly and with malice aforethought is spewing blatant, willful, lies at the American people? Someone who is trying to win based on emotion and popularity rather than the issues, who is deliberately trying to make American politics nothing more than that--a popularity contest. He is doing all of this with extreme slyness, and in the most propaganda-like fashion conceivable.

You can reward that with your vote if you want to, but I won't be--for either side.

If the democrats choose to do this should Mitt Romney win (obstruct, and try to un-elect him for 4 years straight without the slightest attention paid to economic woes--and even blatant acts which make them worse such as the credit downgrade fiasco orchestrated by the GOP)--then I will be leaving the United States at my earliest convenience.

If we should fall into this pit of accepting these political tactics, the battle is already lost.

The decline began as soon as the filibuster became popular. All you need to do is compare filibusters used in a given presidency to GDP trend and you'll find some pretty interesting results.

P.S.

An aside about printing money:

This only works because the u.s. dollar is the world reserve currency. If our economy fails to thrive and to innovate beyond our competitors (predicted to fall off more than it has as time continues and to be totally surpassed by 2075 at the latest [China]). Then the U.S. dollar will stop being the reserve currency.

Currently, say germany wants to buy something from argentina. They need to exchange euros, or marks, for u.s. dollars--which argentina would prefer to be paid in. Thus they must operate through our exchange rate.

The Euro zone was created at the perfect time to prevent the housing market crash from causing us to lose status as reserve currency. Because the euro market also crashed, and it uses the euro amongst itself (as a pseudo-reserve currency for the EU), it insulated us from the deathblow we would've received without them.

The ONLY REASON printing money works, is because we maintain this advantage--our exchange rate trumps all, because everyone wants to be paid in dollars generally. If people pull away from the dollar (and they did significantly when the crash initially happened--opting for gold and silver instead) more than they have now, everything imported to this country (which is most of our stuff) will suddenly double/triple/quadruple in price, depending on how bad the drop is.

The only way to prevent this from happening is to spurn new industry and increase productivity.

Each American needs to use their brain as to where they think those new industries come from:

Corporate investment, or intelligent minds.

There is no question we are losing our edge in producing intelligent minds. In fact I should say we've lost it. We are at best on par with others now, and productivity in this country being what it is--that is not enough.

On top of that the gross corporate tax rate (all loopholes considered) is lower than ever before and it has been for some time now--the tax burden on average Americans (top to bottom) is also lower than it has ever been in recent history (I believe in 60 years).

So where is all this productivity and innovation that condition is supposed to spurn? How low does the relative tax burden have to go (as compared with historical figures, corrected for inflation) before we see the benefit?

I sure hope the answer isn't 12 years, because that's how long we've been at this status fiscally by comparison with previous generations of Americans.

All I see is economic woes, but maybe if Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are elected they'll finally explain what their master plan is.

My guess--more of the same shit that hasn't gotten us anywhere and has gotten us there for the most part on the back of using people's religion to elicit votes.

The trick is the republicans want you to believe they don't already have what they want. Right now we have the most fiscally conservative tax conditions that have existed in the greater part of the last century. I think more than anything we've finally shown that in a modern world, this system of government just doesn't work.

The government is the basis of our cooperation. If other countries cooperate better than we do, they will be more productive than we are ceteris paribus. It really is that simple--and that is why we cannot tolerate the uncooperative tactics.

We may argue as democrats and republicans, but we are on the same ship--and we will go down as Americans if we do not right our course.
 
You sound like you just graduated from a 4 yr liberal arts school and are quoting directly out of you text book. I can't keep up with you...to fast. And sorry we are not alike.
 
squiggs says...

The following is something very near and dear to me in terms of beliefs:

I categorically reject and refuse to accept that as Americans we should resolve ourselves to believing that those in government positions will not make the right decisions, and that such people are not capable of making efficient decisions and choices.

I deny with every ounce of my being the suggestion that it is not within our power to make efficiency an issue and put it on the political table. If we accept that our government sucks, as many do, then it will always suck and we were doomed the second a majority of voters felt that way.

I absolutely reject this argument, to me it seems like this.

I made a bad recipe for chicken soup, therefore all chicken soup sucks dick from now until eternity.

No, you got the recipe wrong--chicken soup is fuckin' amazing. You're just doing it wrong.
End Quote....


The dumbed down simplified version "Chicken Soup" was working for me untill you threw in all this other complicated stuff...
For those like me that obviously don't opperate at your I.Q. level, I prefer things straight and to the point...

If you spent A great deal of your time and money to persuade me and everyone within ears reach that your chicken soup recipe was the best and there is none better, reguardless of what others say and it tasted like Dick, Wouldn't it be easier to throw out your chicken soup and have somone with rave reviews for chicken soup cook some up instead of eating Dick Chicken Soup untill you gain the skill to cook it... That would be the simple and to the point action I would take.
 
I probably couldn't be further from a Liberal Arts student to be honest. Probably the closest I come to that is being a violinist. Truth be told--I just read books, and stuff. Sometimes non fiction.

You know, books. Those things with paper and words and you turn the pages and a record of (slaved over, hard earned) human knowledge is contained within. Tell your kids.

I think probably more the issue is that I legitimately give a shit and put more critical thought into this stuff than just about anything--which necessitates, sometimes, doing research and checking facts.

@SoCal

While I see what you mean, I think you missed the point of the chicken soup analogy entirely.

It was to make simpler the idea that all government isn't (or rather doesn't have to be) bad and inefficient--its the government which isn't held to a sufficient standard of efficiency which is bad (i.e. a bad recipe).

It's when ideals become more important than reality that things fall apart. Following the same soup analogy I'd perhaps say that this is like choosing cheap ingredients, or shorter cooking time, over taste.

People want shortcuts to utopia, and they are trying to impose MORALS on other people--when what we need to be worried about are our collective ETHICS.

When government gets the two confused, its a cluster fuck. Proof is in the pudding on that one as well. Moreover, when PEOPLE confuse "government" for "currently elected officials and policies by proxy"--we have a SERIOUS problem. Because it sets up this sort of failure indemnity, whereby people expect failure and end up with it.

I think we can literally fix the entire problem with one law. Term limits for congress. Done. No more "political careers". Policy isn't a career, it is a PUBLIC SERVICE. Until we as Americans figure that out, we can expect a lot more of the same shit shoveled in the trough.
 
I probably couldn't be further from a Liberal Arts student to be honest. Probably the closest I come to that is being a violinist. Truth be told--I just read books, and stuff. Sometimes non fiction.

You know, books. Those things with paper and words and you turn the pages and a record of (slaved over, hard earned) human knowledge is contained within. Tell your kids.

I think probably more the issue is that I legitimately give a shit and put more critical thought into this stuff than just about anything--which necessitates, sometimes, doing research and checking facts.

@SoCal

While I see what you mean, I think you missed the point of the chicken soup analogy entirely.

It was to make simpler the idea that all government isn't (or rather doesn't have to be) bad and inefficient--its the government which isn't held to a sufficient standard of efficiency which is bad (i.e. a bad recipe).

It's when ideals become more important than reality that things fall apart. Following the same soup analogy I'd perhaps say that this is like choosing cheap ingredients, or shorter cooking time, over taste.

People want shortcuts to utopia, and they are trying to impose MORALS on other people--when what we need to be worried about are our collective ETHICS.

When government gets the two confused, its a cluster fuck. Proof is in the pudding on that one as well. Moreover, when PEOPLE confuse "government" for "currently elected officials and policies by proxy"--we have a SERIOUS problem.

If you look at voter turnout, we've already lost faith in our country, the only people left who care for the most part are total fanatics (both sides).
Like I said... If it's "Dick Chicken Soup" throw it out, Time for A new recipe instead of trying to "cover up" that awful taste with A little sugar and spice.
 
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