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Mitt Romney Marijuana Views Echo Long Progressive History Of U.S. Drug War

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Don't get me wrong I like Obama, He provides me with endless amounts of comedy, He just isn't the right guy for the Job... Not that Romney is perfect, but the guy has skill reguardless of what you or any one else says. If I were to seek advice on self made wealth I would speak with him before Obama any day. If you had 200 million in net assets vs Obama's few, who would you bet is in it for the money and perks?

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lol when i vote for president it isn't gonna be for the guy who has made himself rich, lol, i would vote the opposite way, the rich want to stay rich and keep us down, i'd hate that to be the president.

and the fact that you say obama is in it for the perks and mitt should be the vote cause he has 200 mill what the heck do you think he is gonna do while he is in office?? try and make more money at all cost, thats what the rich do, step over us at any cost to get the worth higher and higher, hello mitt good bye abortion, mmj, and privacy. if you think the consituion has ben shit on for years now just wait you you anit seen shit yet.
 
pot isn't even in my presidential candidates pros and cons, actually i don't really have a list, well i kinda do and in the pros for obama is he isn't mitt, how could we let a mormon lead us? i mean come on, have you heard how the book or mormon was written? he actually believes that, i thinks maybe joseph smith at some magic mushrooms when he wrote that shit. ned i say anymore?

Agreed.
 
Quantum Possibilities Perspective... I guess you could call it that, I just call it A budget. Ever hear of one? Every administration has opperated within one (or attempted to) untill now. Its when you subtract the cost of opperation , Bussiness, Home, Government, basicly the same just larger numbers vs. net income / Tax Revenue. Pretty simple, tells you if you need to trim the pork or have money to burn. Grade school kids can do it on calculators but big government can't? Give me A break. The money is there, It's being mismanaged. Tax more and spend more is not the correct answer.

Enjoy fantasy land.
 
"Democrats are the ones usually tagged as being "soft on drugs" today, throughout American history, movements against drugs and alcohol have generally come from the left, justified for reasons of common good, public health, and religion."

Yep, this article is correct. The left has always been the predominant party of taking away your rights - especially the 1st and 2nd Amendments. Heck ask the Japanese about their rights under FDR. As Carlin said, "the only rights they had were 'right this way ...'". Speech codes and thought police are a hallmark of the left. Even eminent domain - the left has allowed cities to confiscate private property, not for public projects, but for private commercial concerns - hotels and casinos. But both parties have consistently moved toward statism - bigger government, which always results in less freedom. The biggest problem with conservatism nowadays is that they've been co-opted by the the religious "moral majority". In this way, they've become more like the left in wanting to impose moral code on the populace in the name of the common good. They've lost the spirit of rugged individualism, which is what made them great. Now we have two Nanny-state parties. They must be punished.

Choosing b/w Romney and Obama is a false dichotomy - it's not the only two options. Don't forget that! It's not throwing away your vote, because voting for either one of these turds is a waste in itself. It's a choice b/w a douchebag (Romney) and a shit sandwich (Obama). Neither one will yield much better results that the other. The difference is marginal since they work for the same big-monied interests. But you don't have to make that choice. A vote for a 3rd party is a vote of no-confidence against both these terrible choices. The typical presidential election is all about pulling the independent vote, usually through mud-slinging overreaching accusations. It has nothing to do with the truth and everything with trying to out 'indignant self-righteous' the other side. Instead of being swayed to the "lesser of two evils", cast your ballot for a third party candidate. It's the only way to show them that that crap isn't cutting it anymore, and we will only give them our votes when they give us representation of OUR interests.

Obummer has made more arrests in 3 years in his tenure as Drug War Commander-In-Cheif, than Bush did in 8 years. He must be punished. He has let the DEA do their thing. Why? Maybe big $$$, maybe they have something on him (all his records are sealed - must be a reason). Doesn't matter, Romney will let the DEA do their thing too. At least it's because he's a square, not because he's a fucking hypocrite. There is the slight chance that Honest Obe will reverse his position in a 2nd term, but it's doubtful he'd want to spend political capital on that when he's gonna need every little bit trying to save his legacy by forestalling the economic day of reckoning that is coming - when we're actually going to have to swallow some bitter medicine and balance the budget.

Romney is the 1%. He is the .01% actually. Wall St. is his peeps. They control the White House now under BHO, and have been there since the Robert Rubin/Clinton era. Not much change there, but at least Obama pays lip service to the working man (not that "you didn't build this" wasn't a stupid tack to take). With the shenanigans the the GOP has pulled on Ron Paul and by ignoring the Liberty movement they clearly must be punished.

Don't vote for either of these fools or their Nanny-state, bailout Wall St dominated, Drug-warrior parties. Make a statement instead of playing the game.
 
If you don't vote, you voted for whoever wins--I say again.
 

Romney is the 1%. He is the .01% actually. Wall St. is his peeps. They control the White House now under BHO, and have been there since the Robert Rubin/Clinton era. Not much change there, but at least Obama pays lip service to the working man (not that "you didn't build this" wasn't a stupid tack to take). With the shenanigans the the GOP has pulled on Ron Paul and by ignoring the Liberty movement they clearly must be punished.

Don't vote for either of these fools or their Nanny-state, bailout Wall St dominated, Drug-warrior parties. Make a statement instead of playing the game.

Wall St. far predates Clinton in the whitehouse......look at rockafeller in the 30's or the entire depression and ww2 for that matter. You bring up many great points, and if taken as absolute truth your disdain for politics would be 100 percent legit, not that your feelings and thoughts aren't just not in tune with your position entirely that there is no difference between Mitt and Obama. There is major differences between the two, primarily one can look at their life stories juxtapose them and realize that one is way more likely to side with us.
There can be no argument made that Obama has been bad for the mmj movement, no doubt he did some sort of entrapment with the Ogden memo and then proceeding federally on many people who were operating within their own state laws. I spoke with my lawyer about this, he mentioned that its funny how different politics and practice are.......he is a highly paid criminal defense attorney who got his start in 03, he said that 80 percent of his cases then were federal gun cases and about 10 percent were drugs.......but since 08 those numbers have more than flipped, he has not had a single federal gun case since Obama. I think his harsh stance was most likely political staggering in order to avoid condemnation from the right during this election cycle, and call me foolishly optimistic but I think we will see a much different Obama in the second term, we may see some clarity in the mmj movement and we may proceed on.......On the other hand I can't even fathom a possibility under Mitt that we would see mmj in the same manner we do today. So vote anyway you want, unfortunately for most of us unless we live in a swing state the vote doesn't matter all that much, but the election does boil down to 2 people, I am always going to vote for the guy that used to smoke a joint over the man who thinks that he will be sent to hell for taking a puff!
 
lol when i vote for president it isn't gonna be for the guy who has made himself rich, lol, i would vote the opposite way, the rich want to stay rich and keep us down, i'd hate that to be the president.

and the fact that you say obama is in it for the perks and mitt should be the vote cause he has 200 mill what the heck do you think he is gonna do while he is in office?? try and make more money at all cost, thats what the rich do, step over us at any cost to get the worth higher and higher, hello mitt good bye abortion, mmj, and privacy. if you think the consituion has ben shit on for years now just wait you you anit seen shit yet.
Wealth gained by solid finicial decisions is wrong? I guess you would prefer to be poor? You being rich and successfull would have Zero affect on my life, right? How has Romney affected your life by being A self made million air any more than the person down the road from you has that lives in poverty? My point is he obviously don't need to be pres. to gain wealth. Unlike Obama that stands to personally gain via his presidency alone. We could stand to benifit from someone that has far more business and econimic knowledge than Obama which is -0-. He has never worked in the private sector, never owned or opperated any type of bussiness and never bought, restructerd or built anything in any way shape or form. What kind of experence would you call that? His auto biography is self admitedly, fictional. Do you understand that? In other words, A story he wrote. Just like his campaign "Forward". Forward to where? When you and your friends hop in your car (if you have one) do you tell them, We are going forward, no place in mind, no idea what it will cost us to get there, how long it will take or any idea where you will arrive at? Don't worry we'll beg for money along the way to finance this ride (Raise taxes) I along with many other people would pass on that ride... To each their own.
 
pot isn't even in my presidential candidates pros and cons, actually i don't really have a list, well i kinda do and in the pros for obama is he isn't mitt, how could we let a mormon lead us? i mean come on, have you heard how the book or mormon was written? he actually believes that, i thinks maybe joseph smith at some magic mushrooms when he wrote that shit. ned i say anymore?
Kinda like walking on water or parting the Red Sea right? Only A man with A narrow mind would have the nerve to chalenge the religious belief of another... Destined to insult many and cause A great deal of controversy... Hmmmm, That sounds vaguely like someones political campaign and the response to it by leaders of Catholic Religon if remember corectly...
 
Here's the thing dude.

Its really simple math:

Top 1% (3 million people). Corrected average income is around 350k (excluding the top .01% wealthiest which would make the results even worse).

Lets compare the tax burden for someone on the top end of this vs say, an average middle class single person making 50 grand.

So lets say the rich guy makes 1,000,000 a year.

He pays about 15-19% tax (plus or minus a few points in either direction).
The guy making 50K pays about 27-31% tax (+ or - a few).

So lets calculate that out.

1,000,000 x 0.19% = 190K

50,000 x 0.25% = 12,500 (notice i used an upper limit for rich dude and a way lower one for this guy)

now lets find the ratio between these salaries. 1,000,000 / 50,000 = 20. The rich guy makes 20 times more.

Now lets find the ratio of their tax burden and compare it:

190K / 12,500 = 15.2


Even in this extreme case where the lower and upper limits are purposely skewed honestly way closer to each other than they are in reality in this country right now--this still doesn't match up.

Why does this man make 20 times more, and only pay 15.2 times as much in taxes.

The burden is on the middle class, NOT FUCKING JOB CREATORS.

The funny part : This is simple algebra, read a book.

For you to suggest that Mitt has business experience, but still realize that he can't do this back-of-the-envelope calculation to find out that shit is messed up right now.

Can YOU FUCKING IMAGINE IF I DID THIS CALCULATION FOR MITT ROMNEY?

Let me go find the numbers, I'll be right back with that. lol.
 
Romney made 42.6mil from 2009-10

Paid 6.2 mil in taxes during the same time.

Have to double the 50k guys tax because its 2 years.

So 42.6million / 100,000 = 426

6.2 mil / 25,000 = 248

Mitt makes 426 times more than dude, and only pays 248 times as much into this country that made him rich.

And those are for the years he's NOT embarrassed to tell us about.
 
What you failed to factor in is the number of people that pay -0- taxes, the number of middle class that do pay and the amount collected from them and the number of million aires and up(including Mr. Obama) the number of them, and the bulk of federal tax that is already collected from them. Check your numbers... There were quite a few “millionaires” back in 2008. As a matter of fact, more than 321,000 returns were filed with adjusted gross incomes of $1 million or more. The problem is, even if we confiscated every single dime they made in 2008, the federal government would only be able to operate through April 11. Thats 111 days! You want A level playing field? Reform the tax code, close the loop holes (that all million aires including Obama use) and it's A done deal... No more Eat the Rich.
 
Do people really believe because Romney has money the I.R.S. would not audit him or check his numbers (probably even closer than most) and if there were descrepency they would nail his ass just like Obama or any other million aire? They all file under the same rule book you know? If anybody is giving them more than they should according to the law thats just plain foolish. Do you roll throgh Jack in the Box and buy $5 dollars worth of food and throw A $50 bill at the girl @ the counter because you have it in your pocket? I seriously doubt it...
 
Romney made 42.6mil from 2009-10

Paid 6.2 mil in taxes during the same time.

Have to double the 50k guys tax because its 2 years.

So 42.6million / 100,000 = 426

6.2 mil / 25,000 = 248

Mitt makes 426 times more than dude, and only pays 248 times as much into this country that made him rich.

And those are for the years he's NOT embarrassed to tell us about.
He lives in the same country as you right? I assume your not rich? Did he make himself rich or did the country? If the latter is true why are you not rich? Did the country single you out to be in the posisition your in or is that more do with the choices you made or the oppertunities you acted upon and bennifited from? We all make our own choices. My girl friends daughter recieved A full schoolarship to A coledge in Reno for Mechanical Engineering, one of the youngest ever enroled. Her mother does not have huge money, just brought her up right and instilled in her that her success was detirmined by her actions. She graduated highschool with honors early at the top of her class and earned that ride on her own! It can be done, I have seen it personally.
 
He lives in the same country as you right? I assume your not rich? Did he make himself rich or did the country? If the latter is true why are you not rich? Did the country single you out to be in the posisition your in or is that more do with the choices you made or the oppertunities you acted upon and bennifited from? We all make our own choices. My girl friends daughter recieved A full schoolarship to A coledge in Reno for Mechanical Engineering, one of the youngest ever enroled. Her mother does not have huge money, just brought her up right and instilled in her that her success was detirmined by her actions. She graduated highschool with honors early at the top of her class and earned that ride on her own! It can be done, I have seen it personally.

The idea is that he is not contributing the same thing that I am to the country proportionally.

Why the fuck does he get to drive on the roads and enjoy protection under the military when I pay a greater portion of my wages towards those things than he does.

If the tax was a flat cost, then you'd be correct--but since it is charged as a percentage, middle school math says he pays a far lower rate than I do--both in absolute rate and in total tax burden.

You can try to argue your way out of that if you want to, but numbers don't lie. Less of what he makes goes to the government than myself and 99% of the country. It's deplorable.

If anything they should pay more simply for the sake of being a patriot, but failing that I'd be happy to accept them paying the same rate--and we could simultaneously solve all of the debt woes you right wingers keep bitching about.
 
The fact is we all pay tax under the same rule book @ different levels of income and that is not the fault of any individual person. I worked DirecTv for some time as A company man and paid taxes as such. 75k in A good year cost me close to 23k in taxes. After talking to the people in the business that had far more experence than I did, I quit working in house for the company and worked as an independent contractor installing for DirecTv per their standard requirements and filed A 1099 tax form and claimed all the deductions under said rules. I provide the truck, materials, labor, tools,, everything therefore I am considered A business and those are legit write offs including mileage, fuel, and various other things. 75k the following year netted me $1800 in taxes after deductions. Completely ligit, fileing A different form I gained 23K cash and I guarantee I spent no more than $7500 on materials fuel and drive time on my Toyota truck and worked far less hours doing fewer installs then the same guys in house. Knowledge is power and the fastest way to gain knowledge is from someone who has been there and be grateful they take the time to teach you the ropes. I can not count the number of times I have repeated this strategy in many different feilds of work with the same success. Auto Collision Repair, Industrial Electronics, Data Highway, Commercial Electronics, Resedential Construction, Custom Car Painting that lands 8K on average per car currently, you name it. Learned all of it from someone else that tought me that. I Did Do That, Me and my awesome highschool education working @ 15 years old because I wanted what I wanted and no one would give it to me. So I just never started with the wine and went straight for the cheese... The big chedder you might say... You can complain about how things are and it's no fair untill your dying breath and it won't convince me or you could just get up and do something about it, that's the choice... I suggest you make one and whatever it is , follow through and don't quit. I wish the best of luck to you man...

Have A Great Holiday Squiggly...
 
wealth isn't everything my friend, the rich aren't always the best and brightest, sometimes they're just the most underhanded, the bottom line is always number 1 for most of these people, their bottom line not ours, ours doesn't mean jack shit to them, so no being a good business man in my opinion is not even close to a credential for a president, i'd prefer the opposite because politics ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE A BUSINESS, just like police the politicians have lost their way, business has no place in politics just like religion, mormons are some or the most religious fanatics around.... you'd have to be to believe that bull shit they call the book of mormon, sorry if i offended you but the only thing more far out then mormonism is scientology, i wouldn't elect on of them either. i do not believe in god, its a wonderful concept but not likely, and the acts of religious men over the years in the name of god has been horrendous. i'm afraid of living under a mormon government, cause guess what those people can not separate church and state.
 
The fact is we all pay tax under the same rule book @ different levels of income and that is not the fault of any individual person.

You're right--it's the fault of a bunch of individual people coming together.

Those people call themselves republicans.

annnnnnd scene.

What you keep on forgetting, sir, is that all of those people doing all of that hard work--couldn't have done it without the system of social living that our government established and has maintained over the years.

I don't take anything away from your drive or your ability to adapt and learn new things--or to be a good judge of whom to apprentice under. That's all well and good and I give you your kudos on that. However, its like you said everyone gets their start somewhere.

Everything about the country in which you reside began with the people and by proxy their government.

The government is our attempt, as countrymen, to ensure that our way of life persists for as long as possible. The reason things suck is because this generation sucks fat donkey dick at self-instrospection. At self-accountability.

The government sucks because we made it suck. As a concept its the only thing that makes America, America.

Topple the government and in a few years time there wouldn't be a single American thing about this place.

All those hard working fellas you learned from learned from someone else and if you go allllllll the way back--you end up with someone's ancestor who made the ultimate investment in this country. Excuse me for asking that everyone else be expect to do the same.

Frankly I find the arrogance disgusting, to say that everyone gets where they get themselves.

Hasn't been a human ever on this earth who got ANYWHERE alone. Not one.

Every single human who has ever spent their entire life alone, died in infancy.

We come into this world weak, and somehow you think all these people just He-Man their way to the top with ultimate strength and work ethic. The people who came before you made it all possible. Don't you forget that or try to take it from them, it isn't your right.

All those things you LEARNED--someone had to DISCOVER those. You didn't just invent all these techniques and industries by working hard and not getting traditionally educated. The GOVERNMENT in many cases fostered those industries. In others traditionally educated people (by the government) fostered them. No matter HOW PROUD YOU FEEL OF YOURSELF you cannot disconnect ANY of your success from the American government--Not completely. Not ever.

The truth is that America is so important in the world today that even a Spaniard who's never set foot in this country can't disconnect any of his success from the American government. So what the hell makes you think you can stand alone in that regard?

Can say that as easily as I can say there are certain failures you can't disconnect from a person's bad luck in being born in a place like Ethiopia. You are born there, ur fucked. Born here--you got it good comparatively. It is, in part, the land that makes it that way here (depending where you are)--but for the most part it is the government, and the economy of our country, which is controlling that difference. Ethipia's sucks, and ours is again comparatively much better.

How pompous are the conservatives that they pat themselves on the back acting as though the government has done nothing good in the last 100 years. That they're all so rich and powerful of their own hard work.

I don't mean to imply that they'd be where they are without that work, or that the work has not worth--it certainly has quite a bit. But as a human child being born into this world, in this universe, in this time--it just doesn't get better than being born in America. I think for as true as that is, asking for 30% isn't a particularly bad shake. All things considered.

I want it to stay that way. The government will make it stay that way. Not you, not your hard work, not the business and expertise you THINK you built without the government's help. All of those things are wonderful--but they don't mean shit if we can't come together at the end of the day as countrymen and make something better than before. We're making something worse right now--and we're doing it for the first time in the history of our country (save MAYBE the great depression--but we really came out of that one swinging).

You say you make 8k/car. Fat lot of good that'd do you without roads. The very last thing on peoples minds would be painting cars.

Wake up. The story of this country is CUMULATIVE. Without those before you, you wouldn't be anything but a fuckin' cave man. It follows from elementary logic. We benefit from the knowledge gained from the generations previous to us.

Right now we are worried about EVERYTHING BUT preserving that sacred institution in this country of building something better than what came before it.

All over tax breaks for millionaires, and they've got so many of you convinced its about family values.

Fucking makes me sick.

Happy holiday to you as well.
 
I got news for you bro... Taxes collected from people that work built all the roades, bridges, electrical grid and everything else you keep rambling on and on about the government doing. Not to mention that the actual labor to do it came from the private sector. What would you have us believe? Politicians graced us with their presence from the Planet Krypton, bringing with them the first form of money that primitive working man had the priviledge to see, after which they colaberated together to form government and waved A magic wand to bestow upon us all that we see around us? Better yet, They built that? Really? Roads, bridges, electrical grid, Hoover Dam ect. Man, you are more Nieve than I gave you credit for... Here is another clip of your god in action with his wife @ the 9/11 memorial. Pretty hard to photo shop this bro... Almost 3,000,000,000 views and verified by the center for the deaf or something of that nature. (Watch it on YouTube) Enjoy!

 
Every great empire that ever existed failed due to the arrogance of their leadership, End of story, yet we build new leadership and still survive. Most of all that you ramble on about has Zero relevance to what I said previously, All that I said is people have the ability to choose their own path and you refuse to accept that. I was born here, not in Ethiopia, didn't have any choice in that. I made the decisions that put me in the place I'm in, good or bad and refuse to blame others for my circumstances. Anybody can read my statements. I never even implied I made everything did everything or that everything in this amazing country is by my hand. Luck is the ability to spot or create oppertunity and act on it, nothing more. Anybody can have it in their life in America where we are. Who the fuck ever said anything about Ethiopia but you and your rambling self? I pitty you being traped within your own mind... I would not wish that fate on no one.
 
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