What do you REALLY think about selling to dispensaries under the new guidelines

jaredman said:

i don't think it will be like beer at all, more like liquor. I think there will be in the future a variety of selection of quality ranging from c to aaa grades and the price will be reflective of the product.

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I am sorry about being so real about this topic but there is little honor in the business world today. Having watched the way our government works to further the needs of large corporations has led me to my conclusions.
The good news is it might be legal soon and then who cares right?
I will be growing my own crops no matter what the law is.

This is awesome that oregon will keep its private grower vending. Just another reason why the PNW has the best herb :)

Professor Dankenstein and all them other Columbia River Hillbillies got roots deeper than a redwood out here. I hear tell of a Thai/Afi strain called "BigFoot" that grows wild up and down the river. It was put out there by an inbred local who bred it to spread fast in this climate.
There is gossip floating around that second hand smoke knocked down a full grown cow, outdoors.
Tastes like skunk brownie, chocolate with a hint of Pppp UUUuuuuuuuuu...
...gimme that old thyme religion!

keep it underground brother kendo...

I have been reading about ColoRADo growers having to put RFID tags on all their plants and products.

http://www.rfidjournal.com/articles/view?11283

mashable.com/2014/02/11/marijuana-rfid-tracking/

Big Fucking Brother, the cost of pot is gonna go through the roof!
Legislation will not be geared toward small business lol.

"If you have plans to stay in the business you will have to have plans to stay in the business." The Sphinx

Can't wait to see all the whining when they get their permits for Hemp growing and grow all over the Southern Oregon outdoors, ROFLMFAO, lets see how good that ole outdoor is then, hahaha! Maybe Oregon will get rec'd in November and turn out like WA where they are gutting the medical aspect, boy that'd catch some people off guard, the dispensarys for rec only, LMFAO. The reason they know now bout all the black market OMMP extra growers, that's why its geared toward big money and big business. Genesis and those cats won't be able to buy new houses off their patients backs and bank accounts, LMFAO

CobbCreekBob said:

Can't wait to see all the whining when they get their permits for Hemp growing and grow all over the Southern Oregon outdoors, ROFLMFAO, lets see how good that ole outdoor is then, hahaha! Maybe Oregon will get rec'd in November and turn out like WA where they are gutting the medical aspect, boy that'd catch some people off guard, the dispensarys for rec only, LMFAO. The reason they know now bout all the black market OMMP extra growers, that's why its geared toward big money and big business. Genesis and those cats won't be able to buy new houses off their patients backs and bank accounts, LMFAO

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I think your loathing for people who make $ from the sacred herb is clouding your sight and logic.
Facts are facts Bob.
Fact #1 those in the game prior to Co's new legal drive are the ones who are in the game now...
Fact#2 If the voters were to vote in legalization...and...if Oregon were to dump medical usage," Highly unlikely IMHO" it would be at least 1 year to implement and even when implemented Dispensaries would be operational during such a transition period.
Fact #3 Oregon sees the CASHCOW that allowing free market trade in cannabis creates. THey recognize that the $4,000 collected for dispensary permits is peanuts compared to the income tax they will be collecting on the free trade therein.
Now I cannot speak on Hemp permits but I can say that I would put my best outdoor against 93.625472% of indoor and come out on top.

was a joke per the hemp permits pollenatng the huge outdoor crops, can you imagine? The cartel already has a club or two in CO from what I hear, maybe that wont happen in OR but not if you get your dispensary going. The club down south can test your goodies for 100 pop, lets see some test results, lmfao! And yes, you are correct, it will take this state at least a year or more to get things goin, they've already said with the four person group running the new office, the first year is just grandfathered in, there won't be any physical inspections of dispensarys, gonna give ya a year if you pay all the fees and have everything in order. If the rec gets on ballot and goes thru in Nov, it will change the look of MMJ, just a fact of life, look at WA and CO and now CA is banning outdoor growns in Shasta County and going backwards it seems, banning indoor in spots, banning outdoor in spots. Lets hope OR don't follow that lead. And can you explain why the MMJ system is WA is being gutted in the name of rec passage? What's your take on that. Did you go to the Washington County or Marion County, or Albany city meetings where they banned dispensarys in their area up by Ptown? How many court fights will it take for them to get it all ironed out? Thanks

Bob,California is not banning anything,instead it is the cities and counties making up these new regulations and overriding state law and the will of the people and it is being backed up by the courts as legal,this is our current problem as i see it,too many chiefs and not enough indians.We wont let it get us down though,we will keep doing as we have been forever.

I didn't mean the state per se, I meant I had seen bout Shasta County, I realize its the local and county municipalities doing the banning, more or less, with the local leo, but I guess what worries me as in OR is the dudes say they will trump stuff at state level per state law and the local and city councils voted bans anyhow like they aren't scared of the threat.....? That's what makes me suspect the court case scenario. And worry as I hope they don't look to WA on the med side if it passes or gets on ballot for rec use in Nov. Actually there are quite a few Cali bans of sorts of outdoor, etc.

http://www.canorml.org/medical-marijuana/local-growing-limits-in-california

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Legal...ies-can-ban-all-medical-marijuana-homegrowing
The cities/counties arent scared because they cant lose at this point,whats the worse that can happen an appeal to a higher court?well you can appeal all you want because a federal court will never even hear/take the case because marijuana is federally illegal right?Cities know this and are using it to their advantage for now and im sure they would come up with a different plan if this one didnt work anymore.The issue needs to be addressed federally IMO,even if the state said do anything you want the feds could step in and crush you if they so choose so really who gives a damn what the city/county says?does it even make a difference in the grand scheme of things?does it make a difference who busts you or what their badge says on it,nothing changes till MJ is decriminalized federally.

Kendo said:

...but I can say that I would put my best outdoor against 93.625472% of indoor and come out on top.

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There is only one way to settle this and that would be with several months of extensive sampling under a wide variety of conditions. In my opinion, we would have to consume huge amounts over a long period of time to make a real scientific evaluation on this.
I am up for the challenge of course. When do we get started?
Any volunteers for a placebo?

BrotherGreen said:

There is only one way to settle this and that would be with several months of extensive sampling under a wide variety of conditions. In my opinion, we would have to consume huge amounts over a long period of time to make a real scientific evaluation on this.
I am up for the challenge of course. When do we get started?
Any volunteers for a placebo?

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Fantastic Idea, I LIKE IT!!!!!
First up is the MY Ghurple haze. G13hp X an old school Santa Cruz purple Haze she was the 3rd place winner at the ICMAG nuggs and juggs indoor cup in Santa Cruz. Grown in the great outdoors she Placed against such well known growers as Krome, swerve and Joe schmoe's indoor entries. Swerves Pre98 bubba was 1st and another Kush was 2nd.
Once the results were announced one of Schmoe's buddies jumps up and yells," You just got served by Kendo's outdoor, Bitch's"

BrotherGreen said:

I have been reading about ColoRADo growers having to put RFID tags on all their plants and products.

http://www.rfidjournal.com/articles/view?11283

mashable.com/2014/02/11/marijuana-rfid-tracking/

Big Fucking Brother, the cost of pot is gonna go through the roof!
Legislation will not be geared toward small business lol.

"If you have plans to stay in the business you will have to have plans to stay in the business." The Sphinx

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The consequence of that will be a boost in Black market sales, already happening in Co

boo said:

keep it underground brother kendo...

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Much love bro.
And those are good words of advice.
For good or bad and after much thought the wife and I are moving forward with our plans. Doing it all legit. The current atmosphere and conditions are absolutely perfect for just such a move.
From breeding for medicinal value to working with hundreds of Cali patients we have always been medicinal in our goals as opposed to the flavor of the day crowd. I know we can provide the legitimate care that comes from Decades of medicinal hands on experience.
Total legalization is the Holy grail of that labor of love.
We are on the cusp of that legalization my friend. It makes me giddy to think that I could possibly be able sell LEGAL cannabis when that happens.
Growing has been a relaxed hobby for me the last several years now. I regained that love for growing I had lost. What a great feeling.

jaredman said:

i don't think it will be like beer at all, more like liquor. Sure you can buy a seven dollar bottle of cheap shitty vodka but i would rather drink grey goose or similar top shelf. There are many others who can and will always notice quality and the price of weed will never rival the price of beer. My point being it is more a valuable commodity than that so people will be deciding how to spend and many will choose top shelf. I also agree that commercial warehouse grows can't compete with basement growmasters and so the quality in the stores will not match what a true greenthumb can produce in his or her basement. However, if some people that get a production license choose to keep their operations small they will be banging out top shelf and it will be available in stores. I think there will be in the future a variety of selection of quality ranging from c to aaa grades and the price will be reflective of the product.

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You are 100% correct. There will always be a market for triple A

You guys should really read the rules closer..it is real close to what Colorado currently does..nobody will qualify with a small private basement grow or anything even close to that..these rules are for commercial operations in specifically zoned areas and once you start laying 1000ft circles around all the schools, and day cares which includes churches that provide daycare or after school programs as well it gets really really tight as to where you can actually put them..even a registered home daycare will have to be 1000ft away and no grow ops within a 1000ft of each other..your goin to find that there is practically no location that qualifiies...$4000 up front an $4000 a year is not bad for a big op but not many small players are even going to consider it..the camera and dvr requirement from the state will run you anywhere from $10k-$50k to have installed by state certified company. Building a registered grow op to the local and state building codes and ordinance compliance is super expensive so get ready to dig into your pockets. no private growers will be walking into a dispensary and selling the gear that is not at all what thnese rules are covering..these rules basically insure that that is all but impossible..I can tell by most comments that y'all really have no idea how it actually works in Colorado, which will be the model for most states goin forward...Colorado is a commercial game, sure there is still a black market but the volume sales and customer base do not buy from your local master basement grower knockin out a few pounds in their basement every month, hell they have no idea who you are, but of course there will always be a place for that between people that know each other thru inter personal relationships and small circles but when you talk about scale there is no way to compete with the licensed cats burning 1000+ lights in state of the art purpose built facilities, especially when your local municipalities all but forbid all growing at a scale that even makes since at a home grow level, I mean your not goin to be killin it with 6 or so plants in flower at one time and some will even restrict that scale..just no way to at all to compete with that no matter what you think. Not many people that fly in from out of town or have no desire to meet some heady dreddy stranger off craigslist in a Starbucks parking lot to do a deal, they go to a state licensed facility and buy away with a smile, I mean some of these places move 40-50lbs a day in retail sales..and the argument that all dispensaries can't produce the dank is just silly anymore, of course there are still a pretty good majority that just don't have the skills or haven't adapted to production the scale of the past but alot are really on their game and pumping out A+++ product and not as many as would like to think kick out the A++ in their basement, most are in fantasy land..the RFID tags have really changed the game as of late, talk about trackin your ass from seed to sale..they can get plant counts of production facilities in real time as well track production flow and harvest numbers in real time and without your knowledge or consent, really keeps you on your fuckin toes, most facilities have had to add a compliance officer just to make sure all the I's are doted and the T's are crossed, and if you screw around they jerk your license with the quickness...when I read these new rules for Oregon all I see is that you are on the fast track to having the exact same oversight and control empossed on you as we have in Colorado now...and cartel dispensaries..lol..don't believe the news hype..it just makes for a good news story but has nothing based in truth, hell the DOJ had to give everything back and appologize to all the people they shook down under the pretense that there were cartels in the game out here..those targeted are doing better than ever so go figure..and there is an absolute glut of black market product available right now in Colorado and no one os getting the price they think they deserve or need to survive..the black market is choking in the wake of the legal licensed facilities out here..I know people sittin on 100's of pounds of A++ product because they can not move it locally and that is forcing folks to make stupid ass decisions to try and move it out of state and there is a ton of used equipment from 1000's of basement growers for sale on craigslist... the times are a changing so get ready, it can be painful...I can tell you inside, out and upside down how it works in Colorado and that is pretty much the model that Oregon is adopting

Texas Kid said:

You guys should really read the rules closer...
...upside down how it works in Colorado and that is pretty much the model that Oregon is adopting

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Great post!
I was just out to ColoRADo a few weeks back advising an expert on his operation out there. I also wanted to confirm my suspicions about what legalization did to growers out there (both new and seasoned veterans). The state of the mom and pop shops out there are a mess. The folks I worked with were stuck in this perpetual elation about legalization on the outside but ulcerating about the financial implications of being a player in this new business on the inside. It is like a gold rush with unfortunate souls dumping their life savings into a doomed ship.
No state will want to claim it is "following" Colorado's "lead" because nobody wants to be a part of the crushing of a dream that will begin there and simply infest other hosts as they become available.
Legalization will lead to legislation clearing the way for large corporations to dominate this new industry. This is why we are starting to see all these unreasonable fees, lab tests, and electronic stipulations suddenly come to light. An effective way for deep-pockets to weed out the competition. It is also why we are seeing county by county legislative lockouts in an attempt gain control of the industry and regulate it. These are textbook corporate strategies that use our government to position themselves in a given market.
That being said, anyone who is a savvy investor knows when this kind of opportunity exists, you buy a business in anticipation of selling out quickly for a tidy profit before the market takes a dump. I am advising my clients to purchase dispensaries specifically for this reason. Make profit start to finish and sell when the time is right (it is always the right time to sell). Reinvest in a promising peripheral business with the same intent and finally end up living on the beach staring at your feet and your whore's perfect ass!

Actually Texas Kid Oregon's and Colorado's dispensary rules are worlds apart in their scope.
I have done a great deal of research, had several sit downs with a lawyer and have read the Oregon documentation over and over and over again. The wife and I are working towards opening a dispensary and so we have exhaustively dug for the facts.

I have spoken with a couple of the individuals involved in writing the Oregon statute and they agree that they are moving AWAY from Colorado's example. You see in Oregon there is a mindset that I have never seen anywhere else. It begins with the mantra,"Oregon for Oregonians" Oregon beer, wine and products are the first choice of Oregon consumers. The legislature follows this mantra and has produced a statute that gives Oregonians the opportunity to profit from this new venture..

I found a few misinterpretations of the Oregon statute in your post, lets review.

1st there is no provision for Churches or daycares whatsoever. Have NAILED this down with several persons well acquainted with the provisions of the Oregon statute.
Within 1,000 feet of the real property comprising a public or private elementary, secondary
or career school attended primarily by minors; or
(c) Within 1,000 feet of another medical marijuana facility;

2nd Surveillance systems do not have to be installed by a state certified company. After pricing I found anywhere from $2,500 and up.

3rd Grow operations do not need to be registered in order to be able to sell to dispensaries. In fact grow operations do not have to be registered with the state whatsoever, registration is a choice. On top of that there is no provision set for building codes or any of that legal hummus. If you chose to insure your grow operation then your electrical must be up to code, door locks etc.....

4th There are no municipality based legal barriers beyond the ones set forth in the Grow operations statute limiting grow operations to no more than 4 cards per grower per location. Oregon has enacted the Monsanto law which forbids localities from banning any seed to sale venture. BAMM!!!!

Used EQ for sale HMMMMM!!!!!!!!

Word, TK! I suspect Kendo may not know that many are in place just waiting for the opportunity as he is, with as much or more money, including the cartels, already in place, so to speak, so there will be competition and to sell to the dispensaries, there will be a paper trail, whether you are a patient or doing it on a commercial level. The patient has to sign off on any sales to dispensary, whether he, his caregiver, or grower is doing the selling. The local club was installing security system yesterday when I visited, lmfao. I can't wait till Kendo gets his outdoor going, and his neighbor gets a hemp permit, lmfao, and grows a field of hemp right next to his perfect outdoor greenhouse. boy there will be beans for sale then, autoflowers, ruduralis crosses, lmfao. just kidding, couldn't resist! Did you see the new Oregon cannabis connection with gratefulmeds Oregon ad in there, franchises may already be in the making, lol